Rick took time off from blaming women for all of our problems and spent some time blaming us for other people being bigots... It's a banner day! I don't know if this counts as a therapy breakthrough or not, but it's certainly a change of tune. Or maybe it's just the same tune, but played in another (sour) key.
"These are the people you went out on a limb for to break the logjam on DADT repeal, and if you had not, the law would still be in place."
He did the right thing on DADT, but that doesn't make him bright. And though it may have been going out on a limb compared to his fellow anti-gay Republicans, it certainly wasn't among his constituents. His vote reflected the overwhelming opinion in MA; voting for maintaining DADT would be political foolishness in New England. And any Democratic MA senator would have voted for DADT repeal and would be much more pro-gay than Brown. If his choice of rabidly anti-gay Scalia wasn't a Palin-style oopsie but rather an informed choice, then that only reflects worse on Brown's values. He should be grateful to have any gay votes, not the other way around.
"He should be grateful to have any gay votes, not the other way around."
Ernie, that is precisely the kind of political naivete and downright stupidity that has made it so difficult to get any kind of gay rights legislation passed.
We are 3% of the population and a 3% that are not terribly popular, so we have very little real power to threaten any politician with.
And if you think voting against DADT repeal (or simply voting against the procedural move that brought it to the floor, which is all it would have taken) would have cost Brown any real support in Massachusetts, then you are delusional. It simply is not an issue that matters enough to anyone who is not gay, themselves, that it will drive election results.....and the hard-core liberals would vote against him no matter how he voted on any issue, simply because he has an (R) next to his name.
It is one thing to be a Democrat and quietly support his opponent because on an overall level she is more representative of one's political views--while at the same time acknowledging the critical role Senator Brown played in DADT repeal and expressing appreciation for it...............but it is quite another to call him a "pig" and an "a-hole" and to question his intelligence on the most popular gay blog in the country, and vigorously oppose his re-election, despite the support he provided.
If the intelligence of anyone should be questioned, it is gay activists--whose political IQ appears to be in the single digits, as evidenced by the long string of defeats they have racked up over decades. And this thread is just further evidence of that.
Posted by: Rick | Oct 2, 2012 12:46:50 PM
Rick, so you're saying we should ignore the fact that Brown just named someone who believes that our sexuality should be considered a crime his "model Supreme Court Justice" because he did the right thing for once by voting to end a highly discriminatory policy? I totally agree with Ernie, he should be grateful to have any gay votes, not the other way around.
Posted by: Peter M. | Oct 2, 2012 2:29:26 PM
bay windows newspaper boston) tried repeatedly to have mr brown make a statement to the gay press in MA starting when he got elected. they had a weekly counter in the corner of the front page listing how long it had been since the requests began... it took him more than a year to make ANY statement to his gay constituants (although he claimed to be the senator for everyone), and he only finally made it when he did because the election cycle was coming around again.
when he was a state representative, he actually yelled at high school students in his district (at a school assembly) who took him to task for his position on same sex marriage.
dont pat him on the back for his DADT vote. it was purely a calculated political move for his continued survival in MA politics. as is his distancing himself from romney now...
he is not only fiscally conservative. he is VERY socially conservative whenever it wont bite him in the ass...
if the republican lipstick fits...
Posted by: andrew | Oct 2, 2012 2:41:11 PM
"Ernie, that is precisely the kind of political naivete and downright stupidity that has made it so difficult to get any kind of gay rights legislation passed."
Sorry, Rick, I'm about as far from politically naive as you can get. In my state we've passed the most progressive gay rights legislation in the country, with a Democratic majority (the only way gay rights legislation has ever been passed--simple fact) and by successfully lobbying a handful of persuadable Republicans. Yep, that's right, we worked with Republicans. And over the veto of our bigoted Republican governor at the time. The Republicans that earned our support received it.
Scott Brown's record on gay rights in MA, aside from the DADT vote, is nothing to cheer about, and his choice of Scalia only drives the point home. If he were in Kansas he'd be an out-on-a-limb Republican; from MA, he's sub-meh. If he wants gay support in MA, he'll need to do better.
@Rick: You sound like you're following the RC hierarchy. While they say to consider the full spectrum of a politician's views, what they really mean is to be a two-issue voter on marriage equality and abortion. You're just asking us to view Brown's record on one point.
Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Oct 4, 2012 12:49:19 PM
At every level of government the republicans and tea party seek to subvert the very fundamental principles on which this nation was founded.