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Bryan Fischer: To Know the Age of the Earth We Must Have 'Eyewitness Testimony' - VIDEO

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American Family Association radio host spoke with Terry Mortenson from Answers In Genesis yesterday about Marco Rubio's GQ interview in which he said he couldn't possibly know the age of the Earth.

Mortenson says that "the only way we can know the age of the earth is if we have eyewitness testimony of somebody who was there, and that's what we have in the Bible"

Fischer agrees: "The only eyewitness account we could possibly have of the origin of all things would have to come from the creator himself, and fortunately he left us an eyewitness account."

Watch, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. Actually, like most of these idiots, he has a point, but not the point he thinks he has.

    It is true that, barring some sort of scientifically objective eyewitness, the only ways we have of measuring the age of the earth or the universe are secondary.

    But like most of this sort of idiot, he tries to claim that absence of firm, objective and observational data means all bets are off and you can just make up any old theory you want to float.

    The truth is that an omnipotent God could have created the universe five minutes ago, with all the physical processes in progress, fossils in the ground, and radioactive decay partway through it's cycle, and we'd never be able to tell the difference. But it would make no difference, because such a universe would functionally be billions of years old, and scientific analysis of it would support that.

    Now, that's a pretty darn inelegant and ham-handed God, but hey, ineffable and all.

    Either way, Fischer is an ass. That, we do have eyewitnesses to.

    Posted by: Lymis | Nov 21, 2012 12:02:31 PM


  2. Geez, Bryan Fischer is as great an Historian as Newt Gingrich. The Bible was written, when? A few thousand years after various civilizations rose in China, Mesopotamia, Peru, or Armenia? They had eyewitnesses that lived that long to create the Bible? Seriously? What school of logic is that...I know, I know...it's not logic. Fischer is a reptilian thinking, ape-like hominid. His brain functions have been polluted by his life.

    Posted by: woodroad34 | Nov 21, 2012 12:07:56 PM


  3. I was there - right at the start - and that dolt has got it wrong, it happened 4.5 billion years ago, I remember it like it was yesterday, from the window of my spaceship.

    Posted by: Betty Treacle | Nov 21, 2012 12:08:01 PM


  4. Idiots.

    The bible doesn't mention the dinosaurs but we have some pretty strong evidence of them as well. I love throwing dinosaur stuff up to the religious right, they have zero good explanations for them.

    Posted by: johnny | Nov 21, 2012 12:11:56 PM


  5. To know if God, Jesus and the bible were real we also need eye witness testimony from a real eyewitness not just something somebody thought up and wrote in a book that got passed down and rewritten and altered and changed by who ever could read and write for thousands of years. People can say and write anything but the proof is does the information work today and after thousands of years of the Christian religion one can see that is does not work and instead of helping it destroys more lives today than it did years ago. You have no proof of any of the things written in the Bible, just some people who are bent on controlling others using their oppressive control over them using lies and fear of some place they will go if they are bad and yet you have no proof of this or heaven. You only say it is written and force others to go along with it or be attacked for not going along with a religion that is all about controlling people and getting them to give the church money. Today the Christian church is full of people who hate and pedophiles who rape children. The fake smiles and big talk do not work today on educated people who can think for themselves and who are not afraid to stand up and say enough of your madness.

    Posted by: Roger | Nov 21, 2012 12:43:02 PM


  6. I did a search for Terry Mortenson's PhD information, and this quote from Wikipedia sums up what I found in various places: "Terry Mortenson is a lecturer and researcher for Answers in Genesis. He has a M.Div in systematic theology from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School (1992) and is most noted for his PhD thesis in the history of geology, British Scriptural Geologists In The First Half Of The Nineteenth Century, (1996). A selection of chapters from the thesis were edited and published in the journal Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal from 1997 to 2002. A revised version of the thesis was published as The Great Turning Point: the Church’s Catastrophic Mistake on Geology—Before Darwin. (2004)[23] Coventry University's granting of the PhD thesis has been labled suspect based on fact that the University "has no expertise in either the history of science or geology and is, besides, a subpar university."[24]"

    What I can say from the studies I did in scripture in college and university over the period of 8 years, is that Mortenson's interpretation of Genesis is flawed, to say the least.

    The Bible is a collection of books written over a period of 1400-1600 years. It includes some history (not the kind of history we consider history today - though archeological studies have unearthed evidence of the historicity of some persons and events recorded in the Bible), poetry, myths, stories, proverbs, at least one love poem, letters, songs, laws for ritual and ritual purity, and lots of other types of literature. Some of the books - such as Genesis - combine several streams of writing into one. Thus there is a story of creation in 7 days, and a story of creation from mud and Adam's rib. If you compare some of the Biblical myths with other myths in the civilizations among which Biblical stories arose, you find common stories such as stories of a great flood. The stories of the Bible didn't just arise out of nowhere - they were part of the cultures from which they came.

    Reading the Bible as literal history and words dripping from the mind of a creator into the pens of authors who put these oral stories to papyrus and parchment is nonsense, even to mainstream believing scholars. The tradition of taking the words and stories literally is quite recent. Literal interpretation is not what one will find in the long mainstream of Jewish and Christian Biblical interpretation.

    To sum up: Mortenson's PhD is specious. His knowledge of scriptural interpretation and history is shallow. His knowledge of geology is based on his biblical interpretation and not on knowledge of science. He is at best a fool, and at worst a charlatan. His assertion that we have first hand witness of the creation of the world from the creator is nonsense.

    We know much more today, from scientific study, about the age and development of the earth and its life forms, than we could ever learn from a collection of oral traditions and writings that were assembled for religious purposes by people in much different times and cultures.

    Posted by: john patrick | Nov 21, 2012 1:10:46 PM


  7. Nah. Carbon dating is very accurate. I'm going with that. We live in a world that can transfer my voice to a satellite and to the other side of the world in less than a second, science and technology always win. I would need eyewitness testimony that God wrote the bible, since it seems like people did.

    Posted by: NeverEclipsed81 | Nov 21, 2012 1:35:31 PM


  8. @UFFDA I partially agree with you, except he's speaking to millions of people, and it's a reference point to how delusional he and his audience is. He makes gay people his subjects, we have to know what he's saying.

    Posted by: NeverEclipsed81 | Nov 21, 2012 1:37:49 PM


  9. Maybe millions is over stating it since he has 2k twitter followers, but still.

    Posted by: NeverEclipsed81 | Nov 21, 2012 1:38:38 PM


  10. Well, they are shooting themselves in the foot because a lot of their theology doesn't meet even the standard of having a witness. Most of their theology is based on revelations, or essentially visions and dreams, which is certainly a lower standard. It would also call into question the resurrection, as that was not witnessed.

    Then there's the issue already mentioned that the Bible does not actually give an age for the Earth.

    Finally, it's not clear in the end why they should care if the Earth is only a few thousand years old. It doesn't advance anything of their theological efforts. They need to cut their losses.

    Posted by: anon | Nov 21, 2012 1:39:12 PM


  11. To me it's weird that they make this silly argument to begin with, have made it a test of ideological purity. EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE, why would the "creator" of the universe, Earth, and the Sun be bound by Earth's 24-hour day/365 day year schedule? You're taking what you claim to be is an omnipotent being and forcing he/she/it to abide by the natural laws you say that entity pulled out of thin air in the first place.

    That doesn't make any sense even within their already delusional framework, but then logic isn't one of their strong suits.

    Posted by: Caliban | Nov 21, 2012 2:39:43 PM


  12. @Uffda: As long as the Religious Right has a strangle hold on the Republican party we need to keep an eye on these people. I would say, however, that Andy has too much of it. (I already read RightWingWatch daily.)

    @Johnny: Actually, well brain-washed members of the Religious Right believe that humans and dinosaurs lived together.

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Nov 21, 2012 2:41:08 PM


  13. Didn"t dinosaurs and humans live at the same time? Fred Flintstone has a dinosaur for a pet, and rides one to work daily.

    Posted by: Non Believer | Nov 21, 2012 7:04:15 PM


  14. @RMC: Why is "White Trash" Okay, but not the "N" word or the "F" word. Possibly a double standard? YES!!!

    Posted by: andrew | Nov 21, 2012 7:41:15 PM


  15. The "Holy Bible" is primitive and mythological b*ll s*it!!!

    Posted by: andrew | Nov 21, 2012 8:28:29 PM


  16. Terry Mortenson is in the same group of people who discredit science in support of religion yet they will fly in a jet at 36,000 feet, drive a car across a cable suspension bridge, or undergo a CT scan, each of which are engineering marvels built upon scientific knowledge.


    Posted by: Bill Michael | Nov 22, 2012 3:36:58 AM


  17. http://www.adheos.org/mariage-pour-tous-charlie-hebdo-caricature-mgr-vingt-trois-en-une
    A political cartoon depicting the Catholic bishop "Vingt Trois (23)" having 3 fathers who are in the midst of a 3-way. They are Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

    Posted by: simon | Nov 22, 2012 9:55:16 AM


  18. After Cain killed Abel, he left for another city and married. Where did this city come from, and where did the population come from? Just wondering.....

    Posted by: bill | Nov 22, 2012 10:14:11 AM


  19. Since the English language was not created until about 400-500 years ago, and is a collection of words and phrases from several other languages existing at the time, any copy of an English language Bible is what its creator WANTED IT to say, and no one can prove otherwise.

    Posted by: Jerry6 | Nov 22, 2012 10:30:51 PM


  20. Religion is dangerous. VERY dangerous.

    Don't subject your children to it. THIS could be the result.

    Posted by: 2 Dads | Nov 23, 2012 3:00:37 AM


  21. So there was an "interloper" who saw the whole thing? One wonders why, though, that this "eyewitness" has been less than frequently referred to by intelligent design stalwarts.

    Then, again, the "eyewitness" must have seen something he shouldn't have and is currently under the Witness Protection Program.

    Posted by: Homer | Nov 23, 2012 3:10:50 AM


  22. Oh yes, Brian,(eyewitness), you are correct, i remember now.. GOD was on the news telling us all about it..(he liked the old 'dumont' network outa NYC, and his eyewitness news program was sandwhiched in btwn Milton Berle and the Honeymooners

    Posted by: codyj | Nov 23, 2012 7:47:19 AM


  23. Oh yes, Brian,(eyewitness), you are correct, i remember now.. GOD was on the news telling us all about it..(he liked the old 'dumont' network outa NYC, and his eyewitness news program was sandwhiched in btwn Milton Berle and the Honeymooners

    Posted by: codyj | Nov 23, 2012 7:47:20 AM


  24. The GQ interview with Marco Rubio was a total suck-up puff piece. Rubio is an evangelical fundie Protestant on even numbered days in months ending in "R", but a nice Catholic Hispanic boy otherwise. In Miami he says the rosary, but up in the redneck Florida panhandle he sings those old evangelical standards. A complete phony but that's true of most of the Teabagger crowd.

    Posted by: Contrarian | Nov 23, 2012 3:24:59 PM


  25. Yeah, shut up fool. Your ignorance is showing.

    Posted by: mmike1969 | Nov 24, 2012 8:42:04 PM


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