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Westboro Baptist Church Member Debates Homophobic Former Navy Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt: VIDEO

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And they agree on nothing.

David Pakman, who arranged the debate, offers a quick preview for us:

"'God Hates Fags' is the slogan of WBC, but the Chaplain says there is no indication God hates anyone, and is against the gay death penalty, which WBC favors. Klingenschmitt believes in gay exorcisms, and claims to have performed many, with about a 50% success rate. Unfortunately, Westboro believes exorcisms are imaginary nonsense. WBC famously pickets soldier's funerals, claiming their deaths are punishment to the US for accepting homosexuality. Chaplain, who was in the Navy, believes WBC is distasteful for doing this. Additionally, as a cherry on top, Chaplain believes that 'God Hates Fags' is a sentiment that indicates the WBC is actually Jewish, not Baptist."

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  1. Do you really need to promote these asses on this site? It is a total waste of one's time even to glance at this crap journalism.

    Posted by: Peter | Nov 28, 2012 3:53:07 PM


  2. Crazypalooza. While I do love the idea of a word search in one of the dozens of English translations of the NT proving . . . . what, exactly again? So one sect is incrementally, one half of one percent less crazy than the other?

    Posted by: melvin | Nov 28, 2012 4:06:12 PM


  3. But seriously, Mr. Pakman & guests, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

    May you all join your father in heaven, sooner than later.

    Posted by: antb | Nov 28, 2012 4:17:12 PM


  4. What I find disturbing is how "reasonable" these people sound--so soft spoken and calmly proclaiming their hatred. Even if one would like to argue that the Navy preacher does not "hate fags," he still holds that gays are sinners and worthy of the pains of hell. Then, this "kind hearted" man states that the other right winger practices "Judaism" instead of Christianity--how offensive, I would think, to imply that Judaism is comparable to this "God Hates Fags" outlook of the Westboro man.

    How in fact utterly disgusting. What we have here is the ultimate Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee of homophobic bigotry.

    It rhymes, don't it?

    Posted by: tjones | Nov 28, 2012 4:30:46 PM


  5. TJones: It is a fact that desert Jews wrote the Old Testament and all that has stemmed from it, including Islam has been a scourge upon the Earth ever since. This of course, is no justification for anti-semitism, but it is a fact that Jews gave the world the madness that is now fundamental Christianity, and Islam is just a plagiarized b-version of Levitical Judaism as spelled out in the Old Testament...I don't know what those guys were smoking in the Middle East five thousand years ago, but they wrote some crazy, hateful and violent sh*t!

    Posted by: Quest | Nov 28, 2012 4:47:41 PM


  6. This is actually a perfect example of how we cannot base public policy on the various interpretations of the Bible. There will be no agreement even in the details and the policy directions will be almost irreconcilable. I suppose if they were to compromise, you'd first perform an exorcism, and if that didn't work, you'd do an execution. But it doesn't end there because there are not merely two POVs but probably dozens. If you are looking for some sort of clear, consistent guidance then the Bible is no help at all.

    Posted by: anon | Nov 28, 2012 6:01:09 PM


  7. How exactly is this a debate? Someone who wants to kill fags and someone who wants to perform a bizarre performance? That seems pretty similar.

    I wish this site spent more time on almost any topics than all this religious junk. It's not exactly news that religious people hate gays. Who cares? It's the same story every time. So some idiot doesn't like me? Why would I care?

    Posted by: Paul R | Nov 28, 2012 6:55:11 PM


  8. WOW...I never in my freakiest dreams imaged that anyone would suggest crazy debate crazy.

    I mean...you would think this is like two folks debating the merits of Macintosh versus Fuji - sure they taste a little different, the shape is a little different...but they are still apples.

    But no...this is like two people debating navel (homophobic) versus valencia (homoviolent) oranges...but calling it an apple (Christian) debate. This is some wacky stuff.

    Posted by: Jay | Nov 28, 2012 6:59:07 PM


  9. this is like a cockroach debating a garbage can over the value of the metric system....

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Nov 28, 2012 7:06:53 PM


  10. Quest:

    The beatitudes of Jesus are based on the Mishnah.

    Ben Hillel around the time of Jesus taught much of what Jesus taught. From what I know, he never read any Gospels of the Christians.

    Did they practice Judaism? The based their teachings on the Old Testament.

    Judaism gave us Christian Fundamentalism? My understanding is that Jesus is the Messiah for these people--something the Jews catagorically reject. He is the Son of God to the Christian fundamentalist--no human, according to what I know of Judaism, may be divine or God, as flesh-- man-- is a thing unclean to the Jews. No, I do not believe that the Jews gave us Christian Fundamentalism.Such a proposition is simply ludicrous.

    Posted by: vriley | Nov 28, 2012 7:07:11 PM


  11. "I don't know what those guys were smoking in the Middle East five thousand years ago, but they wrote some crazy, hateful and violent sh*t!"
    They were crazy, among other reasons, because of their environment. Having blood, intestinal and urinary parasites, poisoning by various heavy metals, and mothers who had severe nutritional deficiencies do not bode well for normal brain development and functioning!

    Posted by: EchtKultig | Nov 28, 2012 7:24:29 PM


  12. Vriley: Do you know the difference between the Old Testament(Torah) and the New Testament? And the early Christians were all Jews. Paul was a Jew! Paul only decided to preach to non-Jews because the rest of the Jews were not buying his schtick, so he decided to go preach to the pagans...And what he was preaching was obviously considered more appealing to the pagans than the religions of their fathers. Anyhow, most of the negative things in Christianity is justified by the Old Testament (Torah) not the new Testament. But the Jews gave the world directly Christianity and indirectly gave the world Islam which as I stated is plagiarized Levitical doctrine.

    Posted by: Quest | Nov 28, 2012 7:27:13 PM


  13. When I was young I was a Marxist and said things like "religion should be illegal." As I grew toward middle age I changed and believed that religion has some merit and some good can come out of it for those who practice it. Now as a senior citizen I have returned to my younger opinion and I truly believe that religion is one of the most damaging and evil forces on the planet. I don't think we can outlaw it but I am now certain that if we didn't have religion this world would be a much better place.

    Posted by: Joseph | Nov 28, 2012 7:39:45 PM


  14. Quest:

    The beliefs and concepts of Christianity were not unknown to the ancients. ALL their religions contained basically the same teachings. Did they give rise to Christian Fundamentalism? Do you ever read history? Christianity became the dominant religion after the conversion of Constantine. It had nothing to do with any uniqueness of Christianity. It had to do with politics and power.

    Posted by: tjones | Nov 28, 2012 8:56:42 PM


  15. Personally, as a proud card carrying resident of the Island of Misfit Toys (a/k/a San Francisco this time of year and beyond) I love the rare chance to see these charlatans who opine about Stone Age documents that speak of David-Copperfield-level magic as if it has ever been reality. Kudos to David Packman for his and his staff's ability to get these whack jobs to render themselves answerable to the cold light of "Reason" that decimates their mutual silliness as the utter uselessness it truly has been, is, and will always be, in the name of the Father (who) Knows Best, the Son of Sam (and his faithful confidant, the neighbor’s dog,) and that Wholly Amusing Ghost, Casper of my childhood!

    Posted by: Tom Cardellino | Nov 28, 2012 11:29:42 PM


  16. TJones: By the time Constantine adopted Christianity as the religion of the Empire, there were already hundreds of thousands of Christians...I consider Constantine another pagan who decided that the old gods were not cutting it...Of course, Constantine did help Christianity to be the dominant religion it is today, by forcing it on those who wouldn't have otherwise converted. But Christianity was already a minority religion on the move...by the time Constantine came on the scene...Poor people and especially women were drawn to it.

    Posted by: Quest | Nov 29, 2012 9:38:35 AM


  17. You know you have encountered 5-star, triple-X, industrial-strength WOO when Kinglenschmitt begins to look semi-rational...

    Posted by: Mundus | Nov 29, 2012 4:59:34 PM


  18. That's right, Quest, slaves and women were real important in the Roman Empire. By the way, Constantine put a cross on his Roman standards--and it has been noted that the cross could pass for the Mithraic Cross of Light. That was not much of a difference between pagan religion and Christianity, except for one thing that impressed Constantine: the church's structure paralleled that of the Roman army. The command structure of the church really made Constantine figure that this religion could hold his faltering empire together--which it did not.

    As to your contention, that there were hundreds of thousandsof Christians, I don't know if anyone was keeping statistics on that. The Western Empire was pagan and the Eastern Empire was Christian.

    Posted by: tjones | Nov 29, 2012 5:27:14 PM


  19. That's right, Quest, slaves and women were real important in the Roman Empire. By the way, Constantine put a cross on his Roman standards--and it has been noted that the cross could pass for the Mithraic Cross of Light. That was not much of a difference between pagan religion and Christianity, except for one thing that impressed Constantine: the church's structure paralleled that of the Roman army. The command structure of the church really made Constantine figure that this religion could hold his faltering empire together--which it did not.

    As to your contention, that there were hundreds of thousandsof Christians, I don't know if anyone was keeping statistics on that. The Western Empire was pagan and the Eastern Empire was Christian.

    Posted by: tjones | Nov 29, 2012 5:27:15 PM


  20. As someone commented about Wolf Blitzer on the JONAH segment, I oommend Pakman on his ability to remain professional and not have a WTF look permanently on his face.

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Nov 30, 2012 8:06:39 AM


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