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  1. ratbastard says

    But…but….ummm, progressives hate soldiers, anything to do with the military, and think soldiers are stupid and dumb for joining. I don’t understand…ummm, how are we supposed to feel about this? What are my talking points? What’s the narrative?

  2. Stephen says

    I agree with you RATBASTARD. The military and marriage are the most confining institutions in America. i do not understand why gays would want to be a part of either one.

  3. yonkersconquers says

    Christ I’m glad I don’t have a mind that’s as open as a steel trap, like RATBASTARD and Stephen.

    This is an unusually powerful video that has the capacity to even confound partisan trolls.

  4. says

    Since we don’t have a draft and no one is forced to marry, supporting equal rights for those who want to participate in those institutions doesn’t need to imply unquestioned approval of them. This shouldn’t be difficult to understand.

  5. Gary says

    Why on earth ould any gay want to be a soldier?? There are too many heads to style, and beiges to match. I think it’s a form of acceptable suicide.

  6. says

    @ RATBASTARD :

    What a patronizing comment you make !

    Got any more generalizations you would like to share ?
    All work is dignified; and the soldiers deserve just as much respect as anyone else….even gays.
    The narrative is : show respect.

  7. Robert says

    Very powerful. What makes this video more powerful is the question “which one’s gay?” And that’s exactly the point.

  8. ben says

    why does every gay ad involve undressed men? i get that it is important to this video but, really, if want to be taken seriously we need to stop objectifying every subject and situation by using a piece of man-meat to sell it.

  9. jason says

    Why was it necessary for these soldiers to be shirtless? It seems more like a promotional clip for a porn movie.

  10. Billy says

    What a pointless video. Being a Vet myself I think it’s just silly. Anyone in their right mind knows we are all human and we all bleed. Use the money spent on the video and give it to the service members that need it.

  11. UFFDA says

    This was quite beautiful, that’s always what matters to me. I liked and respected both of the men who took their clothes off to show their fulness and, I thought, their sweetness. Then to see their abrasions – from fighting I suppose, or being forced to fight – it helped me sit with them and grow closer, it helped me “hear” them.

    I thought it was very effective, and really, what’s the matter with their nakedness? It was lovely.

  12. says

    Sad thing is, Billy, that as polls show there are millions of Americans who are not “in their right mind” – at all. Who still oppose allowing LGBT people to serve, and/or serve openly, in the military.

    MItt Romney thinks gay soldiers dont’ deserve benefits. or the freedom to marry.

    i highly encourage you as a veteran to make your own video, in a way you think would better share this message, so you can help change more minds.

  13. says

    @ Ben & Jason – no one brought the porn meme into this until the two of you did. So what does that say for where your heads are at?

    My only complaint – a minor one at that – with this ad is that it doesn’t go far enough. Visit any VA hospital and you’ll see what I mean. What these men show is nothing compared to the devastation wrought upon our soldiers – the lost limbs, the TBI, the blindness, not to mention the enormous levels of PTSD due to repeated deployments. And the Pentagon STILL can’t bring itself to admit the fact that the terrible suicide rate is directly related to this.
    Now add in the fact that same-sex spouses of our wounded warriors get zero support from the military – no counseling, excluded from “family services”, often left off the notification list when a soldier is wounded or killed whereas a straight soldier’s spouse is the first to be notified… no. The ad doesn’t go nearly far enough.

  14. Chris says

    Though I agree and applaud the idea behind this video, why would showing a bit of light bruising on two gay soldiers carry much gravitas at all? MUCH darker fates have befallen thousands of gay American military heroes in the past.

  15. Diogenes Arktos says

    I left the video wondering about its content beyond showing two good-looking guys.

    It’s interesting to hear a revival of early gay rights attitudes about marriage and military. I had hoped we as a community had left “aping strights” discussions behind in favor of embracing our diversity.

  16. anon says

    I think closing down our wars would help soldiers more, but there are large problems across the board.

  17. Onnyjay says

    If you prick us, do we not bleed?
    if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison
    us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not
    revenge?

  18. says

    As a Veteran who was directly effected by the military anti-gay policy, scars are not only skin-deep, but also psychological. DOMA must go and full equality must be achieved. Man, there are some weird people who post on this site!

  19. Rich says

    There’s a lot of ambiguity in the video. I inferred that the wounds were the result of a gay-bashing incident and that perpetrator and victim were equally damaged.

  20. andrew says

    To the Bastard and Stephen: I am a life long progressive democrat and a military veteran, as are several of my friends. We served in the military and are proud of our service. Too bad you can’t understand the concepts of patriotism. loyalty and service to our nation.

  21. George A. Trosper, aka GeorgeTSLC says

    @ Rich: I too thought of gay-bashing, but if either one’s the perpetrator I’d have expected a very different presentation.

    @ Ben & Jason: They were shirtless to show their bodies, a fairly relevant point in the presentation. Just because us gays (and a lot of str8 women) can’t help enjoying looking at them doesn’t vitiate that.

    @ Billy: OnnyJay’s anti-anti-Jew quote from the Merchant of Venice answered you, but let me make it explicit. What everyone knows when and if they think about it isn’t necessarily in their minds when they don’t think, and therefore doesn’t influence their positions. Having a visual of a gay soldier bleedng for you has a certain power.

    @ my fellow sillyvillians, re: J. J. in the Navy: As the urbandictionary tells me, “Thanks to the military’s love for abbreviations and acronyms, unsat is short[t] for ‘unsatisfactory’.”

    Finally, @ Michael: THANK you!

  22. George A. Trosper, aka GeorgeTSLC says

    Sorry, that should have been
    short[t]
    supplying the typo on the website quoted.

  23. George A. Trosper, aka GeorgeTSLC says

    @ Rich: I too thought of gay-bashing, but if either one’s the perpetrator I’d have expected a very different presentation.

    @ Ben, Jason, & Diogenes Arktos: They were shirtless to show their bodies, a fairly relevant point in the presentation. Just because us gays (and a lot of str8 women) can’t help enjoying looking at them doesn’t vitiate that.

    And to Diogenes: We are not a separate species from str8 people. Gay men are not non-men. I suspect “aping str8s” is rarely or never a useful concept.

    @ Billy: OnnyJay’s anti-anti-Jew quote from the Merchant of Venice answered you, but let me make it explicit. What everyone knows when and if they think about it isn’t necessarily in their minds when they don’t think, and therefore doesn’t influence their positions. Having a visual of a gay soldier bleedng for you has a certain power.

    @ my fellow sillyvillians, re: J. J. in the Navy: As the urbandictionary tells me, “Thanks to the military’s love for abbreviations and acronyms, unsat is shor[t] for ‘unsatisfactory’.”

    Finally, @ Michael: THANK you!