AP: 27 Dead in Connecticut School Shooting Include 18 Children


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  1. "to carry a gun, and defend your doing so, merely shows that you live in fear."

    Little Kiwi, sometimes fear is a reasonable response if you legitimately feel you could be in danger.

    Posted by: Caliban | Dec 14, 2012 2:35:40 PM

  2. A vote against gun control is a vote for murder. Scalia is a murderer!

    Posted by: Scalia is a Murderer! | Dec 14, 2012 2:37:56 PM

  3. @ YUPP :
    No , it doesn't happen in Europe.

    And more importantly no country in Europe allows a right in its citizens to carry arms.

    Let's try an experiment and repeal the Amendment for ten/twenty years and collect in all the guns and we will see if the number of massacres decline.
    Killing Congress women
    Killing cinema goers
    killing High School kids
    now killing the Little Ones...

    Has the NRA no decency ? It should dissolve itself.

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Dec 14, 2012 2:38:50 PM

  4. Actually, this does happen in Europe. Some wacko went and killed a bunch of school children in Scotland 20 years ago when it was much easier to get a handgun. The response, however, was to tighten up controls on handguns in the UK even more, and it hasn't happened again. In the US, this is an annual occurrence.

    Posted by: Petes | Dec 14, 2012 3:08:21 PM

  5. Jesus H. A room full of 4 & 5 year olds..
    Those poor families. My heart goes out to them. May they someday be able to go on with their lives after such a senseless and tragic loss.

    Posted by: Joey | Dec 14, 2012 3:09:42 PM

  6. I will never understand american's obsession with guns. Maybe it's my european point of view but i find that disturbing and scary.
    It's sad that a book like We need to talk about Kevin, it's like every day news, and it will be for a long time, because a lot of people seems unable to see what's wrong in this whole mess

    Posted by: jjose712 | Dec 14, 2012 3:17:22 PM

  7. Jack : Spree killings DON'T happen in Europe? Is that what you just stated ?!

    Posted by: Yupp | Dec 14, 2012 3:22:04 PM

  8. 2011, 77 teenagers murdered in Norway. You all forget that. Look up the worst spree killings (sometimes the criminologists call them Rampage Killings). Of the top ten (victim-wise) only two cases were in the U.S. So don't turn this into a fashionably anti-American hate-fest. And to turn this into a gun-debate is trashy too.

    Posted by: Yupp | Dec 14, 2012 3:27:38 PM

  9. some good could emerge from this horror -- it has happened ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre

    Posted by: khan | Dec 14, 2012 4:27:02 PM

  10. Have the other Towleroad trolls like Marcussss gone away?
    Is there a new one?

    Posted by: EchtKultig | Dec 14, 2012 4:56:59 PM

  11. Echt : How did my giving out that info. on Spree Killings qualify me as a "troll"?

    Posted by: Yupp | Dec 14, 2012 5:01:43 PM

  12. Of course! This has nothing to do with gun control!


    Posted by: EchtKultig | Dec 14, 2012 5:31:49 PM

  13. "And to turn this into a gun-debate is trashy too."

    So turning anything into a discussion is trashy? Should we not have discussed terrorism after 9/11?

    Posted by: EchtKultig | Dec 14, 2012 5:32:44 PM

  14. So...you disagree on whether or not this is the proper time for discussion on gun control, so you pigeon-hole me as a "troll" ?

    Posted by: Yupp | Dec 14, 2012 5:38:21 PM

  15. And if you are going to talk about the general rate of gun violence in the U.S., you're going to have to get into the race factor, and the p.c. Towleroadies never want to go there so ......we better just stick to the Crazed Spree Killer (where the worst incidents have been in Australia, Norway, and South Korea).

    Posted by: Yupp | Dec 14, 2012 5:50:38 PM

  16. As a mature adult, I will admit I went a little too far. I had only read the 2nd page of comments and assumed that was your only contribution.
    The fact is though, this sort of thing is much more common in the US, and overall rate of gun violence is much higher here than in other first world countries. I actually do not want the degree of gun control that some Americans progressives want. It is the 3rd rail of American politics. I'm probably "moderate to slightly conservative" on the issue and don't have the visceral horror than many Western Europeans do at the mere thought of individuals owning guns. But there are steps we could take to reduce the chances of things like this happening. Since this isn't a firearms rights forum I don't see the point in taking my time to enumerate them. I'll email my congress person. If other people have ideas, do share them.

    So yes, to say it's _not_ a time to discuss gun control did seem like trolling to me. You're not the president. It's different when someone in that position is addressing the entire nation. This is a discussion forum that covers US politics.

    Posted by: EchtKultig | Dec 14, 2012 5:56:24 PM

  17. Alright then, saying Towleroad is PC is trolling. Thanks, you've made your nature clear. What does that even mean? That most people here are not racists, so it must be "PC"? Can you cite one example of a comment being deleted because it involved race?

    What does race have to do with this? Black people like to kill their victims a few at a time, and Asians and whites like spree shooting apparently? I'm pretty sure that doesn't make any race seem superior.

    Posted by: EchtKultig | Dec 14, 2012 6:01:27 PM

  18. Uh...Ech, if you don't know this blog is p.c. (Andrew Belonsky refuses to even MENTION any case of gaybashing in NYC if the culprit is not Caucasian) and that race will not be an uncomfortable factor in an honest discussion of the U.S. firearms murder rate, then....nothing more to say..

    Posted by: Yupp | Dec 14, 2012 6:40:54 PM

  19. There is no explanation for this, no explanation why people argue over it, no explanation. But drones kill innocent children.

    Posted by: Gordon | Dec 14, 2012 7:19:43 PM

  20. although this is a very sad event, i have a different view in this tragedy. americans flock to theaters and spend millions to watch movies about crazed killers stalking and killing innocent people. from psycho, halloween, friday the 13th, saw and hostil. when it happens in real life we are appalled and ask how can this happen. it wasnt the first and wont be the last. one more thing. humans have been killing each other with stones, arrows, swords and poison, so dont blame guns.

    Posted by: wkm1965 | Dec 14, 2012 11:19:27 PM

  21. @jjose712: The American obsession with guns is really an obsession on the part of a small fraction of the population. The National Rifle Association runs a number of programs, many innocuous (e.g., safety training, shooting ranges, etc.) which gives it a fairly substantial member base, all paying dues. The problem is the NRA's political activity. If a senator or congressperson introduces gun-control legislation, the NRA will punish him by spending a lot of money for his opponent. Since the NRA has a national donor base and senators and congresspersons are to a significant extent dependent on local contributors, the NRA has a credible threat. Our politicians are afraid to do anything because of the risk of losing the next election by being outspent.

    The way to fix it is to get meaningful campaign finance reform, something the Supreme Court has made difficult to do by pretending that political action committees have free-speech rights to spend as much money as they like on an election.

    Posted by: Bill | Dec 15, 2012 1:47:44 AM

  22. Last summer in spain a 22 young guy wanted to kill a lot of people on his university. He was stopped before he can even try. First he tried to buy a gun, he couldn't, and that attempt to buy a gun make him suspicious (in spain there's psicological test you must past before buying a gun). The he tried to buy explosives on internet, and he was catch by the police when he did it.

    People say the number of deaths in one attack are higher in other countries and that can be true, but the truth is that this happen in the USA a number of times a lot higher than in any other contry, and the total number of death people on this type of attacks is a lot higher in the USA than in any other country.

    And yes, with a better gun control most of this attacks could be prevented, because you only need to have a gun by your side in a moment of rage to cause a tragedy. I know most of this killers are psycopaths, but i'm pretty sure that a lot of deaths in different circunstances (like accidents) could be prevented with a better control, and this mass murderers will get a lot harder to buy their arsenals

    Posted by: jjose712 | Dec 15, 2012 6:49:40 AM

  23. Lil' Canadian:



    CT has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country already.

    My question is why are these types of incidents much more common today than when I was a kid 20-odd years ago? Ask someone who grew up 30,40,50 years ago and they just shake their heads. These things were basically unheard of, VERY rare. Even in my time my schools weren't 'locked down', there were no security cameras, no armed guards, no metal detectors, and nothing ever happened. And my schools were in big, urban areas. We also didn't have a lot of kids all hopped up on 'medications', most came from reasonably stable homes and had a mom and dad, and the society was far less obsessed with being 'hard' [we can thank mass marketing, rap for that] than kids and many adults are today.

    When the basic family unit becomes broken, society will suffer, and it will especially suffer an increase in violence. The state is no substitute for a loving, stable family unit. One of the reasons there has developed such a bad problem with violence in the 'black community' is because the dysfunction and broken family units among African Americans is of an epidemic proportion compared to any other demographic. The reasons for this complete breakdown are many and it's a complicated issue. But what we're now seeing is the rest of society is starting to mimic and even catch up with the long standing [half century] breakdown of the black family unit in our society. And no, I'm not being 'Racist' and am certainly not blaming black people for anything here. My point should be pretty obvious to any intelligent and honest [not disingenuous] person.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Dec 15, 2012 10:38:40 AM

  24. BTW:

    It was PROGRESSIVES not so-called conservatives who are mainly responsible for so many seriously mentally ill walking our streets, driving our roads, etc. Mental health laws were radically altered back in the 60s and especially 70s due to 'progressive' demands to allow mentally ill people their rights to do basically as they please.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Dec 15, 2012 10:42:53 AM

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