‘General Hospital’ Introduces Lipstick-Wielding Gay Male Nurse

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General Hospital debuted a new character this week, a gay nurse played by actor Marc Anthony Samuel. To establish his character as gay, his first scenes involved him pulling out a tube of lipstick and offering to touch up a heterosexual woman. Oy.

UPDATE: A follow-up to this post.

Comments

  1. KP says

    Of course, there is a possibility the character is a drag queen which would be a first for Daytime. (Hence the lipstick) And considering we only had two scenes to be introduced to the character it might be too soon to complain about him. At least the character is interesting – would people prefer him to be like the bland gays guys on Days of Our Lives?

  2. Rick says

    “What’s more shocking is the producer and head writer are both gay themselves. You’d think they’d know better?”

    The “gender-non-conformists” seriously believe, apparently, that if they present enough examples like this, the public will actually come to find it perfectly acceptable for men to engage in the kind of behavior being portrayed……

    ……when, in reality, they are just reinforcing stereotypes and making us all into a laughing stock–and doing so with the blessing of Hollywood heteros who are thrilled that there is still one minority group that not only can be ridiculed safely but that some members of that group are willing accomplices in providing them with the kind of material they want……

    The latter are the real self-loathing gays among us…..and until they are confronted and denied social acceptability WITHIN the gay community, this kind of crap will continue.

  3. BenR says

    While I think the lipstick thing is awful (UNLESS he’s a drag queen. “respectable profession” by day, drag queen by night, would probably be a first), @Jake, what are you talking about?

    We need way more gay men of color on TV. Are you trying to say there are currently more african-american gays in the media than white ones?

  4. Mitch says

    Where are the heterosexual, cross-dressing business tycoons who’ve only shared this dark secret with their wives – and whose wives are blackmailing them so they are not shamed in the boardroom? Let’s keep it real, GH!!!

  5. Eric says

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  6. TJ says

    A weak introduction in a scene with a weak character in a weak storyline. They missed the boat here. They should have reintroduced Lucas Jones who would already have a lot of established story and connections.

  7. johnny says

    Yup, we all carry an extra tube around just in case. You just never know when you’re going to need to touch up your lady friends’ lips.

    Seriously, this is idiotic and insulting to any gay man, even a drag queen.

  8. delish says

    Screw the gender binary.Do we all just want to assimilate into the hetero-normative blah blah that mainstream culture feeds us?Get radical.Get over it. And by the way, I have very good friends in legitimate jobs who wouldn’t hesitate to pull out a lipstick when the time was right–some of them are dragsters some of them are tranimals and some are just over the top faeries.Let it be.I’ll take one of every flavor and color, until there is no stereotype left.

  9. jjose712 says

    It’s not the heteronormative, is the cliche. When you want to use a non masculine gay guy in a show, you need to take time to develop the character.
    I remember a good bunch of years ago, a spanish tv sit com, Aquí no hay quien viva, introduce a gay couple (back them they weren’t as common as today) and everybody thought they will be a total cliche, and in part they were, one was masculine and the other no.
    But they were well acted and three dimensional characters, of course they play with stereotypes (it was a sit com) but the character has personality and a lot more to show than a simple stereotype.

    US soaps are a dying genre, and they are dying because the writers (a lot of them are gay) and the producers don’t let these shows enter in the new millenium. They are still acting like they were in 1950. Telenovelas are a very similar genre, but they are doing well, because they evolved. The women are not damsels in distress anymore, they are independent women. They are even surpasing the classic romantic novels cliches, like rich man rescue poor woman. And they evolved on gay characters too, first they were to be funny stereotypes, then they became the female leader best friends, and now they are fully developed characters.

    This is not a way to introduce a character, because the gay and gay friendly viewers will not like, and the homophobes won’t like either, so it’s a lose lose situation

  10. Joshua says

    This is what happens when you tell the world that gay people are actually something called “LGBT” and that gay men are the same “people” as crossdressers and transsexuals. People will take us at our word and then start to treat us as if we are crossdressers and transsexuals. So if you are one of those people who refers to “LGBT” you have no basis for complaining about this kind of stereotypiing. It is only reflecting the stereotyping inherent in “LGBT.”

  11. johnny says

    @Delish:

    (at the risk of sounding like Rick)

    You’re in the minority of a minority. While I’d never want to deny your “dragsters, tranimals and faeries” a right to be what they want to be, I’d be willing to be that 98 percent of men who read this blog don’t identify with that kind of gay man at all.

    At least not any more.

    Why?

    Because that’s simply not what the majority of gay men are like at their core. All but 2 of the hundreds of gay guys I’ve known since coming out 34 years ago did not and do not wear make-up and aren’t fem-ID’d at all.

    I think you’d find it’s a very different gay world outside of the big cities. And the younger gay guys are more and more identifying with a new brand of gay (read: standard issue guy, not straight-acting, not fem, somewhere on the scale in-between), not the cliché that is still, sadly, leftover from the 80s.

  12. Derrick from Philly says

    @”I’d be willing to be that 98 percent of men who read this blog don’t identify with that kind of gay man at all.”

    Yeah, and let all 98 percent of them fall off the damn fiscal cliff in 2 weeks while we in the 2 percent shall be saved.

    “When you want to use a non masculine gay guy in a show, you need to take time to develop the character.”

    Very very very true, JJOSE. And it can be done-whether comedy or drama.

  13. says

    it’s not the stereotype/prototype/archetype you choose to use. it’s how you are ABOUT IT.

    for example, alexis arquette’s role in “The Wedding Singer”.

    i don’t really understand the “i don’t relate to gays like ______ comments”

    if you’re so blinded by an insecure knee-jerk reaction to an aesthetic or manner that you cannot possibly find a chord of relation in that person/character, congrats! you’re failing as an empathetic human being :)

    and the best way to “show the kind of gay guy like you” is to, you know, actually show the kind of gay guy you are.

    live out loud. show yourself. have a visible and known presence as A GAY PERSON. whatever type of gay you are, or think you are.

    but you cannot sit idly with one foot in the closet and complain that you’re “not being represented”

    it starts with openly and proudly representing yourself.

  14. Rick says

    “This is what happens when you tell the world that gay people are actually something called “LGBT” and that gay men are the same “people” as crossdressers and transsexuals. People will take us at our word and then start to treat us as if we are crossdressers and transsexuals. So if you are one of those people who refers to “LGBT” you have no basis for complaining about this kind of stereotypiing. It is only reflecting the stereotyping inherent in “LGBT.” ”

    +1000

  15. says

    dear “i hate femmes” gays – provide the URL to your own pages.

    let’s see how manly and masculine and empowered you are.

    after all, you’re so masculine that straights love you, right? so you have no reason not to be visible, right?

    i call your bluff.

    :-)

    *crickets*

  16. Jeff says

    @Kiwi –

    I see that someone called you out on your racist comments on the Towleroad post about the young gay politician in Maine. I have observed that you are a racist and a misogynist for some time, so it is good to see that others are noticing this and are calling you out. Why don’t you take your malformed face and body (I have seen your website) and your racism and go away?

  17. Wickedwitch says

    I was SO confused by this scene and I’m glad that someone said something about it. He can be gay without whipping out the lipstick, firstly … secondly, in the script he had to say something about keeping it with him for touchups and it turns out to be a BRIGHT RED color that he wasn’t actually wearing. What, exactly, was he touching up?! The writing and portrayal really irritated me when usually the ABC soaps do so well …

  18. UFFDA says

    “I call your bluff” squawks KIWI for the billionth irrelevant time, which always keeps me laughing… who cares about your senseless little demands…URL’s prove nothing. They prove nothing. Nothing needs proving, no face need be seen, no address known, no audience summoned. Which is what it is for you, a summons to pay attention to more of your hissy pissy ranting where people can also look at your angry little face. Your posts here are quite enough, your face and more, yet more and more about you, is nothing but passive sadism.

  19. Artie_in_Lauderdale says

    This idiocy from “General Hospital” is the equivalent of a blackface minstrel show. With enough ridicule, I hope the producer and writer become a laughing stock, which is what they deserve.

  20. Ron Carlivati says

    To Andy Towle and the readers of this blog: My name is Ron Carlivati and I am the Head Writer of General Hospital. I am also an openly gay man. I created the character of Felix Dubois, the “lipstick-wielding gay male nurse,” and I am frankly appalled by the intolerance and internalized homophobia expressed in this post and in the majority of its comments. During my career, I have brought no fewer than six gay characters to daytime television: male, female, Black, White, Hispanic…all shapes and sizes. I have written coming out stories, gay bashing stories, gay marriage stories, gay parenting stories and gay love stories. I wrote the first love scene between two gay men that ever aired on daytime TV. I won a GLADD award for these stories. What exactly is it about this character that is causing such righteous indignation? The fact that he carries a tube of lipstick in his scrubs? SPOILER ALERT: Felix sells cosmetics to put himself through nursing school. This will be revealed on Monday’s show. Not because I think gay men love lipstick, and certainly not to “establish” himself as gay. But even if that were the reason, so what? Does this make him too queeny? Not straight-acting enough? Is that the only type of gay character allowed on TV now? As far as I’m concerned, to be offended by this character is what is offensive. And just FYI, the majority of women (our core audience) I have heard from thus far about Felix have expressed to me how much they like him. The only people who seem to have a problem with him are certain gay men who are apparently afraid of a gay character who might be portrayed as a little bit effeminate. Well, I say shame on you, and shame on Andy Towle, too. Oy, indeed.

  21. Kissyfur says

    Femme dudes are the ones killed most often in hate crimes because they cannot hide or live true to themselves. You butt fracks are a bunch of weak ass sycophants who want to be straight despite the fact that straight people are more messed up than we are. Like black people wearing colored contacts. Be proud.

  22. Isaak says

    Ron, I love your reply and thank you for writing it. I was going to write something similar to it, but could never have put it so perfectly. We come in all shapes, sizes, ages and TYPES, so they should all have a voice on television, just like every straight character type has a voice. Well done to balancing the portrayals and including EVERY TYPE of gay character. If I was in the US and able to see this, i’d certainly tune in!

    Andy, there does seem to be a lot of baiting stories very recently. I loved this site before for it’s ability NOT to do this kind of journalism and just report. I have faith that will return and look forward to that day.

  23. Jeff says

    @Ron Carlivati:

    Thanks for writing, but you are completely missing the point of these comments. The issue isn’t that we have a problem with a man carrying lipstick. I think it is fair to say that most of us couldn’t care less. What is appalling is that you – knowing that gay men are stereotyped as effeminate – choose to put this forward as a representation of a gay character. And you did this even when it was completely gratuitous. There was absolutely no reason this character couldn’t have sold vacuum cleaners to put himself through school. You chose to link him to cosmetics and you chose to turn him into a lipstick carrying “girlfriend” who is at the ready to help a woman with a touch up. I doubt you ever considered anything similar with a straight male character. You are responsible for promoting stereotypes. Shame on us? No, sir. Shame on you. You clearly believe, at some level, that these foul stereotypes are true and that is why you promote them.

    Also, if you were responsible for writing Luke/Noah storylines on ATWT, I can also tell you that you are a terrible writer. They were nothing but a series of time wasters, involving murders and abductions and a mystery woman from Iraq, in other words an assortment of nonsense. You couldn’t even competently write a love triangle plot, one of the easiest plot devices to write. You never gave that relationship the respectful exploration that it deserved. If that was your doing, I again say shame on you.

  24. Matt says

    So a gay man who has a tube of lipstick is not a good gay role model? I just want to make sure I know where we’re going with this new homophobia. Felix has been on the show for one day, people!

  25. jjose712 says

    No he wasn’t responsible for Luke and Noah, but it was responsible for Oliver and Kyle on One life to live, and that wasn’t good (at least he wasn’t responsible for blaming the gay storyline for the bad ratings of the show).

    As i say, playing withe stereotypes is a complicate thing, there are a lot of efeminate gay men who are great characters, three dimensional and charming. But i find difficult to find that kind of characters on a soap (straight or gay).

    Days storyline for example, is cliche after cliche. They have two handsome guys who are decent actors, but instead of give them something interesting to do, they give them totally plot driven storylines.

    I still think that the first scenes of GH gay character weren’t a good form to introduce the character, but at least it seems there’s a rational explanation, so maybe there’s some hope.

    I know it’s difficult for soap writers introduce gay characters, because the main audience is generally conservative. But i think it’s something you need to do fully (Days storylines is not good, but they are not shy with physical affection) because if you let the story in the middle ground, nobody is going to be happy.
    Luke and Noah were a big big success, but then they feared the backlash, and totally degay the characters (they were virgins two years later) and start to write that awful storylines for them, not taking profit of their popularity.
    Adultery, blackmail and kidnappings are expected, this is a soap, but at least with the characters some development and treat them like the straight ones

  26. Ron Carlivati says

    @Jeff: I thought the issue we were discussing here was whether or not this character was promoting stereotypes. Now you’re attacking me for my storytelling ability? A little off the subject, but also a little misinformed. I did not write Luke/Noah on ATWT. Secondly, my writing the stereotype of a gay man selling lipstick (since when is this a gay stereotype???) was not “completely gratuitous.” There is actually a story reason why it had to be lipstick and not vacuum cleaners, which will also become apparent on Monday. That’s the thing about soap operas, they’re on every day, and you actually have to watch them to get to know the characters. You don’t learn everything there is to know about them in one day. So in spite of your misinformed opinion, I am not ashamed of Felix. I am proud of Felix. He is sweet and kind and charming and would never be caught dead selling vacuum cleaners.

  27. MK says

    I think it will turn out that Felix is a drag queen, and he will perform (in Drag) at the Nurses Ball. I think that He will also be HIV Poz. (African Americans are a High percentage) This will give a current face of the cause. 15 years ago it was Gay white men, IV Drug users and women. (Jon Hanely, Stone and Robin) I am still hoping that Lucas Jones comes back and is in a good story. I am also hoping the next black character is Tommy Hardy, Jr. (He would be the same age as Lucas and Maxie).

  28. Rick says

    @Ron Carlivati It is out-of-touch Hollywood types like you that are responsible for destroying the self-esteem of young gay men by presenting them with nothing but images of effeminacy and pseudo-womanliness in the media. Imagine how a young gay male athlete in Kansas or Mississippi feels when he sees such portrayals on television. It reinforces everthing the homophobes around him have told him about his attraction to males equating to a lack of masculinity.

    But people like you don’t give a damn about that, do you? You are so far gone in your “gender-non-conformity” Disneyland that only exists in the narrow little cocoons that people like you live in that you probably actually believe that you are doing a good thing.

    Your whole mindset is revealed by saying that the WOMEN who watch your show have told you how much they like “Felix.” Yeah, of course they do, the way women always like effeminate gay men–as playthings, social accessories, confidantes, and pets……but never as actual men to be taken seriously as men in respectable society. The fact that you don’t care what men–including other gay men–think of the character demonstrates that you populate the very space I have referred to as the culture of effeminacy–idolizing women, living vicariously through women, and having hostile attitudes towards men and anything masculine. Your principal reference group is clearly WOMEN, not men, whether gay men or straight men.

    And you don’t even seem to realize that you are just being used as a tool by your hetero bosses who delight in the entertainment value provided by stereotyping of gay men for a straight audience.

    SO, YOU, SIR, ARE THE PROBLEM…..and the sooner the culture and mindset you represent are eradicated, the sooner gay men can both be accepted and respected AS MEN into the company of other men and into the social mainstream generally….and can find some self-esteem so as to avoid the kind of self-destructive behavior that invariably results from immersing themselves in the culture of effeminacy.

    Shame on YOU for your irrespnsibility and for the damage you do to young gay men.

  29. Ron Carlivati says

    @Rick: Wow. First of all, I’m not a Hollywood-type, I live in New York. Secondly, you don’t know my bosses are hetero. Thirdly, you don’t know my bosses at all, so how do you know what they do and do not delight in? Fourth of all, as I already pointed out in my first comment, I have created at least six gay characters in my career, and I have had tons of feedback from many gay men, both young and old, that these characters helped them in some way. I don’t know if any of them were young gay male athletes in Kansas, but I think there are plenty of other role models out there for them besides gay Black nurses on General Hospital, although I still think, as role models go, they could do a lot worse.

  30. Mark says

    Ron’s been a pioneer in putting gay people on television in positive portrayals. He also has a sense of humor, which plainly cannot be said of some of Andy’s readers. If you can’t enjoy the many aspects of gay life – and has any gay man on the planet not run into this kind of character? – then they should simply enjoy their abercrombie sweatshirts in silence, and consider lightening up.

  31. Rick says

    @Ron Carlivati Hollywood, New York, whatever. Same difference when it comes to this issue.

    When I look at network TV now, practically all I see in terms of gay male characters is effeminate men–“Modern Family”, “The New Normal”, “Glee”, the list goes on and on.

    So let me make a suggestion to you. Why don’t you use your talents as a writer and your connections in the TV industry to create something really new and original: a strong, masculine gay male character who exercises authority and is respected and even feared by other men in mainstream society.

    Make that character the lead on a cop show like Hawaii Five-O–a tough, non-nonsense guy who is clearly in charge…..make him the in-charge boss/executive on a show in a corporate setting….make him the star football player on a major university campus, the team leader and the envy of all the men on campus…..make him a truck driver who likes to hunt and listens to country music…..

    Go ahead, I dare you to.

    You certainly cannot argue that there is not enormous potential for both comedy or drama with any such characters….and if you have created so many gay characters before, I don’t see why you would not be able to create one of these and present the idea effectively to network executives who can get such a program on the air.

    If you are willing to do that…..and if the network executives who make such decisions are willing to air such a program, then I will take back all that I said.

    Deal?

  32. says

    thank you Ron!

    and just remember this – your angriest “critics” on here are cowardly grown-adults who aren’t Out yet. hence their anger.

    and the reality is that there are TONNES of diverse gay male characters on television. they just choose to ignore that so they can come online to anonymously complain about…well, you saw the comments.

    i’ve said it before yet i’ll say it again, BD Wong played gay characters in non-traditional gay roles on TWO hit TV series for more than a decade.

    and yet….people don’t mention this as an example of “gay male diversity in the media”?

    Why? oh, right. Because he’s Chinese-American. These anonymous trolls don’t think “it counts” unless the character is white, apparently.

    so take solace, Ron. The guys who are on here angry at you are merely angry that even as they’re pushing middle-age, they’re still not Out. and of course it’s not YOUR fault. you’re empowering diversity. what are they doing? complaining from the back of the online proverbial Closet that…other gays aren’t doing what they themselves give excuses to not do.

    keep it up.

    as i said, it’s not the “type” you portray – it’s HOW YOU ARE ABOUT IT.

    and in this clip, we see a guy helping a woman out. that’s a good thing.

  33. says

    hey Rick! – provide the URL where you show us all what a strong manly empowered example of a confident gay man you are.

    then your words may be taken (at most) semi-seriously.

    deal?

    of course not. you dont’ have the balls.

    😀

  34. DC Arnold says

    guys, guys don’t get in a tizzy just yet. The character is just a day player with lines. He’ll be killed off soon enough. Brought on to get us to view the Nurses Ball episodes.

  35. UFFDA says

    RICK IS THE BEST. He has voiced the best challenge yet to RON the hack. Put a gay MAN on the tube, as described. We’ve all seen all the rest ad infinitum and, of course, many effete gay men are authentic beings, not at all intentional creators of a “culture of effeminacy” (great phrase). This is where I very respectfully disagree with RICK. Still, apart from Will of Will and Grace, we have far too rarely ever seen a regular guy, not to say an all but absurdly masculine one (truck driver, sports hero etc.) take his place in the cultural eye. THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

    In the meantime congratulations to RICK for his continuing energetic, articulate and, yes, manly defense of the gay male majority who are frankly too put off by the hysteria of the whiner queens and their defenders to bother with this website.

    It is, of course, encouraging to find in fact, quite a few posters here who are much less than thrilled with the lipstick man portrayal. Perhaps the Men are taking over after all. I’m sure they will.

    And, hey, what a powerful bunch of posts. I love it.

  36. Ron Carlivati says

    @Rick: No deal. I already have a job. I have neither the time nor the inclination to create a new TV show centered around a hyper-masculine gay man to prove a point to you, or to anyone else. But I’ll tell you what I will do. How about YOU write this show, since you seem to feel so strongly about it, and I promise to use my industry connections (such as they are) to get it in front of people who could potentially put it on the air.

  37. says

    Ron, you’re asking a professional coward to give up his livelihood 😉

    file the comments of Rick/UFFDA et al under “sh*t closet cases say”

    they’re the type of gay men who will never have the orbs to live Out, and thus are furious at the non-conformists that do.

    you’d think for all their boastful machismo that they’d be leading the pack, eh? you know, strong macho manly men who are so in control of their lives that they live transparently.

    alas, it aint the case. and it never is.

    coming online to pretend that they’re masculine, anonymously of course, is the one thing keeping them from offing themselves.

    for you, my brother:
    http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2009/09/in-defense-of-my-glorious-femme.html

  38. UFFDA says

    Not good enough RON. Do the work of getting a real man (gay) on paper and then on the tube. Can you even imagine him? That’s the question.

    I don’t really want to be insulting (although I already have been by calling you a hack, sorry, I’m impressed that you are responding herein) but you’re the one in the position not RICK. Indeed, prove the point…if you can. Do you know any of the kind of men RICK references? That would be important.

    Interestingly, right there in New York State are the Beekman Boys and Farmer John with his partner. They might not be RICK’S complete ideal but the love story they are and embody is mighty powerful. Perhaps it will be the documentary that will ultimately be the best and most balanced representation of all.

  39. Mary says

    As a heterosexual woman, I’d like to chime in (or butt in, as some would say) on this topic. Since gay men come in all types – macho, midway, somewhat effeminate, very feminine – ALL types of gay men should be portrayed on TV and in movies. I doubt that we’ll ever reach a point where every gay man in America will be happy with the overall portrayal of gay men. All this shows is that the gay community has its own diversity, as does every other community.

    Also, would Ron or anyone else here be able to tell me who WAS responsible for the Luke/Reid/Noah story on As the World Turns? It began me on my transformation from anti-gay to pro-gay, so I really should thank the writers. Nullnaught told me that the writers would love to hear that their work contributed to someone changing his mind on this issue.

  40. Sparky says

    So Uffda, the only kind of acceptable gay man is the Beekman Brothers? Only uber masculine bearded hipsters can apply?

    EFF THAT NOISE. You and Jeff and Rick can deal with your own stench of internalized homophobia, where only the “good” gays get to be shown on TV. Sorry you think only flannel wearing, bearded Williamsburg type gays have any value in this world.

    Ron Carlivati has shown himself quite capable of writing complex, multifaceted characters. I wasn’t even a fan of the show but now I’m going to make a point to watched.

  41. Ron Carlivati says

    Okay, @UFFDA, this is my final post on this topic. I HAVE done the work. I CAN prove the point. I CAN imagine the type of gay man you describe. Because I HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN HIM. More than once, in fact. I have written masculine gay men, gay cops, gay med students, gay activists, lesbian activists, and now a gay male nurse who, yes, sells makeup to make extra money. If that makes me a hack, then fine, I’m a hack. Now go away and leave me alone. Oh, and watch General Hospital. It’s a really good show.

  42. says

    use what you learned today, Ron.

    write your next gay characters as middle-aged closet cases who anonymously come online to complain about openly-gay people who don’t care to cater to the whims of a bigoted society.

    it should be thrilling.

  43. Jeff says

    @Ron Carlivati:

    I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to confuse you by making 2 separate points. The first point is that you have internalized homophobia and believe anti-gay stereotypes, and this is reflected in your work with “Felix.” The second point was about ATWT. Two different points. I know you can handle it.

    As for Felix, you are being disingenuous if you claim not to see the stereotyping. For decades, gay men have been “into” women’s fashion. According to the stereotype, they are hair dressers and cosmetologists because they are, in a sense, more like women than men. You knew exactly what you were doing when you put a tube of lipstick in this character’s hands. You knew exactly what the stereotypes are and you went ahead and did it anyway.

    And as I said before, I’m willing to bet that you never – ever – suggested that any straight male character carry around women’s makeup and “help a girlfriend out” with a touch-up. It just wouldn’t occur to you to to do that because, in your mind, the straight male characters are real men. Felix on the other hand, and in your words, is “sweet.” What a tragedy that we have a gay writer whose mind is damaged by 1950s stereotypes, to the point where he has now internalized the lies told about gay people and reproduces them, thinking that this is progress.

    You should let your producers know that the writer they are paying to write storylines about a gay character doesn’t see gay men as men. They are paying you, so I think they have a right to know about your invidious bias. It would be no different if you were writing about a “sweet” African-American character, while harboring the belief that anti-Black stereotypes are true and using the character to promote them.

  44. says

    Jeff, it’s not Rob’s fault, nor the fault of the out and proud gay men who don’t act they way you’d like them to, that you have no balls whatsoever and are a miserable insecure homosexual.

    All your time complaining anonymously online would be better spent doing some self-reflection and getting over the fact that you’re still terrified of What Straight People Think.

    seriously. you and your fellow trolls on here are complete and utter wimps.

    there’s nothing “anti-______” about this stereotype/archetype.

    at some point you boys are going to need to grow a pair of orbs and stop blaming “those types of gay men” for your cowardly insecurities.

    if you’re such a man (which, let’s be real, you aint) you’d be first in line to show who you are, and what an Example Of Gay Masculinity you claim to be.

    care to try it out ,sugarpie? or are you just here to vent your fury that the type of gay men your piece of s**t family taught you to hate live with a bravery and fearlessness that you dont’ yet know?

  45. Sparky says

    Jeff, it’s rich in irony that you are calling Carlivati out on internatlize homophobia when your entire point of view is just that – that only the masculine guys are worth portraying.

  46. says

    Sparky – those will never have the balls to live openly. that’s why they’re so angry.

    if they believed a word of their unintelligent diatribes they’d be proving URLs to show just who they are, and What Kind of Gay Man they are. you know, leading by example. changing perceptions via standing up to be counted.

    there’s a reason they don’t do this. to use their own language, they’re simply not man enough.

    if nothing else, it seems they’re angry that Carlivati is not writing characters like them : deeply insecure closeted homosexual men whose only outlet for their insecurity is the anonymity of the internet.

  47. DL says

    Have any of Andy’s readers ever been in a hospital? Nurses carry all sorts of random stuff that patients might need. I can imagine a patient being thrilled to have a nurse produce lipstick so she might preserve her dignity for visitors. Congratulations, Ron, for having an imagination, which some of Andy’s readers seem to lack.

  48. says

    *elegant curtsy*

    if my presence keeps an intellectually-stunted coward like you off the site, then that’s bloody beautiful.

    until the day one of you cowardly complaining trolls can put a face to your comments you’ll only ever prove the rest of us right.

  49. Steve says

    I think we need to have a sense of humor and also recognize that the best gay portrayals on TV are ones that are authentic, not “scrubbed up” Stepford ones designed not to offend anyone. There are all types of gay guys, including ones who are preppy, butch, bears, nerds and ones into lipstick and nail polish. If this portrayal makes some viewers hateful then they were homophobic to begin with. Ron is a leader on authentic gay portrayals and for that we should be grateful.

  50. John says

    OMG look at the gay roles, Ron put on GH

    Oliver Fish a closeted masculine cop who reunited with his ex love Kyle Lewis who was a med student & con artist turned hero. Kyke dated Nick Chavez a latino art teacher who was confident and an activist. His best friend was Amelia, an activist Lesbian who also happened to be African American.

    Ron has written various gay roles at OLTL. Felix is his first at GH. Not all gay men are masc. Some are fem. Just like Emmett on QAF and I loved him.

    Also to answer the ATWT question, Jean Passante was HW of ATWT during Luke & Noah

  51. Holly says

    As a heterosexual woman, I take offense to the comment that talks about the stereotype that all heterosexual women see gay men as feminine and girlfriend-like. I have known numerous openly gay men in my life (and I live in Texas)! I went to high school with an openly gay star football player who got beaten nearly to death off the field when players from a nearby high school found out about him. I’m friends with two men who are openly gay and in a domestic partnership and adopted a daughter together. One of those two men was in the US Army for years, where he had to keep his sexuality a secret. The same man is now a male nurse. (I also have another friend who’s a male nurse, but straight.) I also know several openly gay men who are very feminine, and some who are “queeny.” For some of them, it would be no surprise to me to see them pull a tube of lipstick out of their pocket, for whatever reason. I also know a gay man who came out after 20 years of marriage to a woman and fathering 4 kids with her. So, I do not see ALL gay men as feminine, just as I do not see all lesbian women as masculine. I know there are countless different types of gay men, just as there are countless different types of straight men, lesbian women, straight women, and bisexual men and women. All types of people should have the chance to be represented on TV.

  52. Audi-owner says

    @ Jonathan

    Not every gay guy is a big ol’ flaming queen either. And just so all of you bitchy queens know,there are more masculine gay men than there are feminine. You can deny it and spin,twist,turn,twirl,and push it anyway you’d like but the fact is there are more of us than there are of you. The real insecure gay men are the fems who consistently make it their goal to put down someone else’s fashion sense and physical appearance. They are also the same ones who make bitchy,catty,snarky remarks in a pathetic attempt to be “funny”,when all they are being is pathetic and revealing their insecurities.I’m out and proud but make no mistake, I am masculine and proud as well. I will not let some lower than dirt “ballroom” queen make me feel as if I am the problem.Sweetcheeks,the problem is you! Let’s not get this twisted.Goodnight!

  53. JJJ says

    I imagine that 90% of those commenting on this post don’t watch the show, nor have they seen the character in question. Isn’t the LGBT community supposed to celebrate diversity and equal rights or is that only reserved for the “masculine gays?” We should celebrate ANY time a gay character is introduced on network TV. The LGBT community is made up of all types of people (not just the types YOU want to date) and should be represented on TV in that manner.

  54. says

    Hey, Audi-Owner, prove it.

    URL, please.. Show us all who you are. After all, you’re totally out and proud and super masculine with no cowardice to hide behind, right?

    so, let’s see ya. :)

    ten bucks says you can’t. wimp.

  55. Chris Van Etten says

    “I have written masculine gay men, gay cops, gay med students, gay activists, lesbian activists, and now a gay male nurse who, yes, sells makeup to make extra money.”

    Hey Ron, don’t forget to add to your list: Psychic lesbian.

    Signed,
    Another gay male General Hospital writer and Felix fan

  56. Jeff says

    @Ron Carlivati:

    It is too bad you won’t address my point. Why do you put lipstick in the hands of a gay character, when you have never done that, nor would ever consider doing that, with any straight male character? You claim that you are not promoting stereotypes and argue that I shouldn’t have any problem with the portrayal of an effeminate male. I don’t. My problem is that you would only make a gay character effeminate. That’s the stereotyping at work. That is the manifestation of your underlying homophobia. It would be absurd to you and the other writers to make one of the straight males wield a lipstick tube, but it is perfectly natural to impose these predilections on gay characters. You have precisely the same biases as the TV writers of the early 1960s-70s. You just dress it up as something supposedly bold and progressive. Too bad you couldn’t get Richard Simmons to perform gay minstrelsy. Maybe next season.

  57. says

    I’m sure Felix isn’t the only man who is going to be working for Lucy’s cosmetics company (which is where I assume he’ll be working). Why not wait and see before everyone makes a judgement?

    And for those people who keep saying that Ron needs to create an ultra masculine gay character, HE’S ALREADY DONE THAT! To great success! It’s obvious a lot of the people who are complaining haven’t see his writing. He’s created lesbian characters, gay characters and this is just the beginning of Felix.

  58. GregV says

    “…i’ve said it before yet i’ll say it again, BD Wong played gay characters in non-traditional gay roles on TWO hit TV series for more than a decade.”

    @Little Kiwi: I know you’ve stated that many times, but I see no evidence that it’s true.

    BD Wong is a wonderful actor who has played characters who were NOT portrayed as gay in All-American Girl, Oz and Awake.

    The only regular gay character I know of that he has ever played on TV was in Law And Order: SVU. In that case, the character’s orientation wasn’t written into the show for most of the series’ run, until Wong’s 19th-from-last episode (“Hardwired”)when it was casually mentioned and tied into a storyline about an ugly and false stereotype.

    BD Wong is a great gay ACTOR, but when it comes to the most memorable gay CHARACTERS of television, those last few episodes of ONE series pale next to Will Truman’s 187 gay-from-beginning-to-end episodes or the many-times-more-numerous episodes of Six Feet Under where David and Keith’s relationship was explored and developed.

    As far as General Hospital goes, my first reaction is, indeed, “Oy.” It seems at first glance to trivialize both gay males and men who are nursing students that he just happens to have this pink cupcake lipstick at the ready.
    I would have the same reaction if the only black nursing student at General Hospital just happened to shuffle his feet down the hallway carrying a bag of watermelon and chitlins around the workplace just in case anybody’s hungry, or if the only Asian doctor wore a karate uniform to work and made his way around the hospital yelling “hah-ya!”

    This character may well be developed in a way that will eventually make more sense, but I can’t help but think that it wouldn’t have occurred to the writers to depict a straight male doctor who’s eager and always ready to give his female co-workers a make-over.

  59. Sammy says

    @LittleKiwi:

    Are you aware that every single one of your comments is misogynistic? Every single one, without fail, equates the male anatomy or being male with goodness and a lack of same with inadequacy. One of your comments a few days ago was overtly racist, written in a caricature of African American slang. You are a disturbed person, IMO. It is not surprising that you would find a kiindred spirit in Ron Carlivati.

  60. Sammy says

    @Chris B:

    It is no victory for gay people if Carlivati creates an “ultra masculine” gay character. That characters is just reflecting more of Carlivati’s neuroses about gender. We don’t want a cartoonish stereotypical queen and we don’t want a cartoonish masculine goon. The point is that the gay characters should be given the same gender treatment as the straight characters. Why does Carlivati think that gay men are not simply men, but rather are gender confused people who gravitate toward the extremes of girlishness or hyper-masculinity?

    This is Carlivati projecting his own internal gender struggles, if not his internalized homophobia. He is imposing his baggage on his gay characters and by extension, on all of us.

  61. says

    @RonCarlivati You have done such tremendous work on “General Hospital” it’s indescribable. The scenes with Jane Elliot, Finola Hughes, Nancy Lee Grahn, Leslie Charleson…I could go on and on.

    But, this appalling stereotype and his lipstick…I’m crestfallen. How could you not get it? The whole country isn’t New York City or Los Angeles. Most of us live in places where we have to work everyday to prove to people-and ourselves-that we can being gay simply means we are attracted to other men. It’s about sexual orientation. Not sexual or gender confusion. We’re not caricatures, cross-dressers, hair-stylists…make-up ladies with a penis.

    It may seem like a clever bit of shock value to you, but to me and the vast majority it is embarrassing, insulting and it undoes the hard, frightening, risks we took when we came out in small towns, in red states, in pretty much anywhere except Manhattan and Hollywood.

    @Rick is right. Mocking us hurts our feelings, but it destroys gay youth. You might be interested in how I feel since I watch GH, play it on my ABC App, Get Glue it, Video-On-Demand it and Tweet about it EVERY WEEKDAY because I want to save the show. Probably that doesn’t interest you, I learned from “As The World Turns” the visceral dislike soaps can have for gays.

    But, gosh can’t you take a minute to care that you are helping to strengthen bigotry, reinforce ignorance and hurt, or cause hurt, for people-and for what? Cheap, reductive, shock value? It’s not worth it.

    Please read what @Rick has to say. You need to know that the entertainment industry bubble you’ve lived in for years now is not representative of the country as a whole. It’s getting much better out here, but that’s because so many of us are pushing in the right direction. Please don’t set us back. Please don’t make me have to stop watching “General Hospital.”

    And if @Rick’s not interesting in writing a script about a regular guy who just happens to be gay. How about giving something I write a chance? I sure wrote a ton of comments, posts, Tweets, Facebook messages and emails promoting you and your show.

  62. Johnny B says

    I’m sorry but I just had to laugh when I heard Ron Carlavati say that GH was a good show.

    If anybody has watched any of his writing at all I can’t see how they would be surprised at how this Felix is done. Ron C. only writers in stereotypes and over the top buffoonish mess. I have watched his work on both OLTL and GH and believe me I have never seen one character that he has done is that fully fleshed out.

    His Oliver and Fish started out nice and that boiled over in to one of the most cliched messes ever. It was so groundbreaking and well done that OLTL’s ratings were sinking faster than the Titanic at one point. Enough so that the network put a kibosh on the whole mess. What could have been a great and groundbreaking story was ruined by his writing and handling of it. He can brag about one scene but it would have been nice if we could have bragged about the whole story and not one scene of lovemaking.

    I had very little respect for Ron C. after seeing him overact on Twitter so much that I had to quit following the buffoon.

    The man seriously needs to stay off the Internet or get him some prozac. Every time he is faced with any kind of criticism of his writing at all, he goes onto Twitter or here and goes on another rant. Truly unprofessional Ron C.

    And sorry but only a writer so full of himself as you are would go online and boast about how good he is. Sorry but as a good friend used to say I would love to buy you for what you are truly worth and then turn around sell you for what you and your Kool-Aid drinking fans think you are worth. I would never have to work.

    Oh and by the way come down off your cross — someone out there needs the wood.

  63. Nick says

    Ron C. is the man. He doesn’t deserve this sh*t – seriously. If you watched the show (you should), it is becoming clear that the point of Felix (at least initially) is going to be to act as Sabrina’s confidant and help style and transform her for the ball. It’s an ugly duckling/Cindarella story featuring a very fresh young actress and it’s pretty cute.

    So what if Ron made the friend character an effeminate gay black man? It’s a type. And until we can accept all “types” as equally legitimate and representative we still have a hell of a long way to go.

    Ron, if you ever need another writer I’d love to work on the show. Can’t wait for “Love in Maine!”

  64. says

    well this certainly has brought out the insecure closeted ninnies, eh?

    what do you think is going to happen? that due to this portrayal all of the anti-gay straight men who watch General Hospital (!?!?!?) are going to ….what, exactly?

    it’s beautifully ironic, however, that this did of course veer into the typical barrage of “i hate effeminate gays! they make us look bad!” comments from our resident cowards.

    for all the hate they spew at gay men who don’t care to cater to the affectations preferred by insecure and ignorant heterosexuals, they cannot stand up, themselves, to be counted.

    who is the G.H. demographic? do you think this character portrayal will have a negative impact on how gay people are perceived by this very-specific demographic?

    really? i can’t imagine why. after all, if all your faux-macho posturing to the straight men you’re living in fear of hasn’t helped you Come Out yet, perhaps it’s time for a new tactic.

    😀

  65. Beacon says

    Every gay character I’ve seen on daytime has been portrayed as a victim who doesn’t want to upset the ‘order of things’.

    When are we going to get some gay characters who don’t give a damn what people think and aren’t used as creatures of a dominant female? Even better, when are we going to get gay characters that aren’t even preoccupied with their own right to happiness, that see the world for what it is and refuse to be victimized by the insecurities of others? Where are these characters? The soaps on the current line-up, especially GH and Days, are laughably unadventurous. Everything is so watered down and cloyingly inoffensive. Get real soap writers.

  66. Jeff says

    @Ron Klopfenstein:

    Very well said.

    @Nick:

    If you think that all “types” should be seen on TV, then why not ask Carlivati where are the straight male characters who carry around lipstick and are happy to give makeovers to women? That is a “type” as well. But no one, including Carlivati, seems to think that that is a viable option for a character. No, this isn’t about portraying different personality types. It is explicitly about portraying gay male characters as something other than men. The very stereotypes that we would condemn if they were promoted on Fox News or CBN.

  67. ah123 says

    From reading the comments, those who are the most angry about Felix seem like their sense of what a gay man ought to be is limited to masculine, “straight-acting” men. They couch it in terms of countering society’s stereotypical construct. But it is apparent that there is no room in their mind for different kinds of gay men. Rather than showing that gay men come in all different stripes, they are engaging in reverse stereotyping by wanting to socially engineer that gay men must be masculine as the counter example. Sounds like a cliché but this is internalized homophobia and projection of what they hate within themselves.

  68. jjose712 says

    ah123: That’s not exactly true, in fact the most prominents gay characters on american tv right now are almost all effeminate, some of them are interesting and fully developed characters, but the truth is, if there’s a type of gay that is never underrepresented is the effeminate type.

  69. alan says

    Seriously, though, there is that token lip stick wielding gay man in society still today.
    It adds a little campiness to GH, and GH is all about campiness. That’s why people like watching soap opera’s.

    Like the Gay story line in Days of our Lives, it is so cheesy and stupid and hard to watch, but i still watch it because it is cheesy, stupid, and hard to watch.

  70. says

    Carlivati apparently doesn’t watch prime time, as in Modern Family, The New Normal, the now defunct Partners. Does he remember “Just Jack” ~ outside of the slob on Happy Endings what kind of “straight acting” [hate that term] characters are out there? The lipstick was totally unnecessary. He would have been better off giving Brett Claywell’s Kyle a job in the hospital and re-establish all the good will lost by abruptly killing his story line on One Life to Live. I could go on about Carlivati’s ridiculous lesbian story line for Dorian. Anyway, the point is that there is a better way to tell a gay story line even for an effemiinate character without whipping out the cosmetics.

  71. Drummond says

    I’ve been watching ABC soaps for some long while, with a few breaks. I remember when Donna Pescow portrayed a lesbian character on AMC. I’d heard a few days prior to the intro that a new gay character was coming to GH. It was going well, then, honestly, I cringed when the lipstick appeared.

  72. Jack Taylor says

    Wow. Firstly, Kudos for Ron for saying something and sticking to his guns quite elequently in the face of seriously self homophobic people who DO NOT WATCH the show or are familiar with Rons work on OLTL. Ron created Kyle and Fish on OLTL.. two NON STEREOTYPICAL gay men, one being a doctor and the other a COP, who wound up raising a daughter that Fish had with a way ward stripper while he was comng to grips with later in life coming out. Both were not effeminite men. But whats the deal if there is an effeminate gay black nurse who has lip stick in his pocket. Apparently people do not watch the show because actually a Nurses Ball is coming up, which is going to be a full on show where the characters will most likely do Broadway style numbers for a good cause, HIV fundraising. It’s disgusting to me that just the idea that gay effeminate nurse would cause such an uproar when in reality, as a gay man livin living in San Francisco… um… you’ll run into queens at your local hospital. They have a part in our world too, and Ron , i thought it was a brilliant move, made sense.. I’m seeing more Indian Doctors on GH too..and you know what… It’s true.. You have Indian Doctors in real life.. You all sorts of gay men. I find THIS more refreshing than the gay character who tries too hard to not be gay as to not offend straight sensibilities. True is.. WE.. gay men..are NOT like everyone else. From Butch to femme. Give the head writer a break. If he were’nt on GH now.. there would be NADA gay representation. Ron is responsible also for one of the BEST odes to gay culture ever on Daytime TV.. he wrote an ode of Grey Gardens on One Life to live!! How awesome was THAT!! xxx Luv yaRon and i tune in every day.

  73. Glen says

    How about a character on daytime who happens to be gay? Not afraid to be gay, hiding he is gay, getting drunk to sleep with guys…How about a gay super couple?

  74. G. Underwood says

    I don’t care if you ARE a gay writer. You still don’t speak for all of us. To introduce such an overtly stereotypical gay character to a mainly straight audience is irresponsibly perpetuating that stereotype. Shock value is rarely an effective overture to acceptance. If you want the character to be a cosmetic salesperson or even a transgendered person, you could at least introduce those aspects slowly instead of throwing them up into mainstream America’s face like a tube of lipstick (never mind the hygiene aspect).

  75. says

    Jeff, you’re a wimp with capers for testes. Thanks for sharing.

    How is it that this one character “is explicitly about portraying gay male characters as something other than men.”?

    that makes no sense whatsoever.

    how is his carrying lipstick somehow making him something other than a man?

    how does this one character magically negate the plethora of diverse gay male characterizations in other forms of media?

    you trolls are always so pathetically the same.

  76. jpk says

    What’s wrong with not being masculine? He may not directly reflect every or even most gay men but He is out there. And nowadays it find it easy to find a balanced representation of gay characters on TV and in movies. To move through the world without the slightest chance of ever ‘Passing’, even for a split second, is a very different journey than it is for “un-stereotypical” gay men, even if you are out and proud and never hesitate with your pronouns. I find your thought that he is ‘Damaging’ far more Damaging.

    I think the fight is to accept/respect, or in the very least tolerate, everyone whose behavior you don’t understand but does not hurt anyone else. This post is informed by listening to far to many self proclaimed ‘masculine out and proud gay men express absolute disgust towards queens and fems.

  77. realitythink says

    @Ron Carlivati, I am a huge fan of yours who still misses the characters of OLTL and really wish they could come back (bring Vicki to Port Charles PLEASE) and I’ve been enjoying GH since you came on board. I do think you could bring a strong gay male character on board very easily. All you have to do is resurrect Bobbie Jones’ son!! Bring him back as a cop or a hit man that goes after Sonny. He disappeared from the canvass days after coming out to his mother, it was very odd.

  78. Erik Weinke says

    Well I am watching the Felix Dubois scenes…and is that Anne Hatheway “Princess Diaries” opposite him as a student nurse? The “Hospital” itself is looking pretty glam but then it always had that “Department Store” look as far as I can remember. I always liked Ron’s writing. I may not have enjoyed all his characters, but they all seemed to have a reason be on the canvas and always remembered they were tied to the core, not so far out of left field. I think the nice thing is Ron diversifies the shows he works on…though that comment made about telenovelas is intersting.

  79. Josh says

    @Rick – One of your comments stated:

    Make that character the lead on a cop show like Hawaii Five-O–a tough, non-nonsense guy who is clearly in charge…..

    Oliver Fish on OLTL was a police officer who struggled with his sexuality before coming out.

    I’m curious as to how many people on here actually watch General Hospital and after watching Monday’s episode tell us 1) What the Nurse’s Ball is; 2) What the importance of the Nurse’s Ball is or 3) Who Lucy Coe is!

  80. dee says

    so you got to be kidding, about the lipstick story lol, i love it gay or not he a hoot! i have guy friend who is gay so what he help me get ready to go out i was a hit. i got ask for a few dances. leave it be will ya ! G.H. ROCKS SO WHAT IF THEY ARE GAY OR NOT GIVE IT ARREST. GOD BLESS YOU RON, AND FRANK . GOD THANKS FOR OUR G.H. KEEP ROCKING.

  81. says

    And as it turns out, he sells make-up, which is why he had lipstick on him. Still would be cool if he was a drag queen.

    The big problem is there are a variety of gay folks in the world, but shows really only have 1 or 2 gays on at time, so it is hard to show a variety all at once. Maybe they will bring Lucas back to be his bf.

  82. Lucy says

    @Ron Carlivati – Don’t waste your breath on these morons. Save your exceptional writing skills for more awesome episodes of GH. You rock and we, the fans, love you. ♥♥♥

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