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Towleroad's Legal Editor Ari Waldman Talks to Waywire About the Republican Party and Gay Voters: VIDEO

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Towleroad's legal editor Ari Ezra Waldman talks to Waywire's Baruch Shemtov about the recent election, the Republican Party, and the gay vote. Waywire is the video news-sharing service co-created by Newark Mayor Cory Booker.

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  1. I wish the people behind this website were less attractive.

    Posted by: Fenrox | Dec 4, 2012 11:28:32 AM


  2. Mr. Waldman, let it go as far as "gay" Republicans go. As a progressive Democrat, I will be opposed to any Republican, gay or straight, who promotes what passes for the "conservatism" of the current Republican Party.

    Conservatism is a misnomer for the LRC or GoProud. Their roots are in elitism and racism. Their cover is "strong national defense, less government, and free markets".

    And, for the record, having been there and lived it, the Democratic Party in 1972 was NOT some "crazy leftist party". The nominee was the Hon. Sen. George McGovern of South Dakota. The party's platform was sane and sensible. It was not radical.

    Please. Do not speak of that which you know nothing, Mr. Waldman.

    Posted by: jamal49 | Dec 4, 2012 11:31:33 AM


  3. Articulate, intelligent, and sexy -- emphasis on intelligent :-)!

    Posted by: Belthazar | Dec 4, 2012 11:35:51 AM


  4. LOL 20 30 somethings talking like they have 40 years of knowledge! Hell everyone talks like those guys.

    Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Dec 4, 2012 11:36:08 AM


  5. @Fenrox, I have no problem with that.
    @Belthazar, agreed.

    Posted by: Matt26 | Dec 4, 2012 11:42:19 AM


  6. the GOP can't, and won't, drop their anti-gay policies and tactics.

    it's their only way to convince America's Stupidest People to vote against their own best economic interests.

    they cant talk honestly about their fiscal policies, so they talk to the plebes with words of "GAYS!" and "ABORSHUNS!" to win their support.

    ever talked to a romney supporter? ever asked them which policies of obamas they object to most?

    ever asked a GAY REPUBLICAN which policies of Obama's they object to most?

    they can't even name one. they only voted against Obama because their P.O.S. parents did, and expect the same.

    barf.

    lovely interview, however. but no, the GOP aint gonna be dropping the anti-gay angle. they've made their deal with the devil to pander to america's most uneducated bigots instead.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Dec 4, 2012 11:42:46 AM


  7. @Jamal49: Give Ari a break for parotting the contemporary Republican view of McGovern in 1972 as being a left-wing radical. I know, I was a Republican then - but not yet able to vote. LCR and GOPround are just similarly ignorant for believing that the present crop of Republicans actually stand for anything they claim to stand for, e.g. anything appropriately labeled economic conservatism.

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Dec 4, 2012 11:53:52 AM


  8. Please don't pay any attention to LittleKiwi's divisive rhetoric. As a progressive Democrat, I strongly feel that LGBT rights needs to be argued before any and every audience. Even amongst conservative people, there is fertile ground for making a case for Freedom and Equality.

    Let's not make the same mistake as Romney, and casually dismiss 47% of Americans as beyond our reach. We saw how far that condescending and lazy thinking gets you.

    Posted by: Lars | Dec 4, 2012 11:58:31 AM


  9. Moronic. Waldman's premises are wrong.
    He implies that republicans represent good fiscal and economic policies. Wrong. Their policies of rich tax cuts, deregulation, and wasteful military spending go back thirty years, and much longer, and have regularly crashed the economy.
    He says says that gay rights should trump economic concerns. Wrong. How typically selfish of a gay conservative. We have enough freedom now to be more than single issue voters. And our loyalty should be to the democrats anyway, who have a much better economic record.
    If he's an example of who is running this site, I'm going to have to rethink it.

    Posted by: Wilberforce | Dec 4, 2012 12:03:32 PM


  10. I get the conservative Republican that doesn't let their "gayness" identify them and that they don't care about marriage or equal rights and all they care about is jobs. But how do you let the fact that you can be fired in most states just for being gay and not fight for that? Jobs may be important but how do you keep your job if you can be fired for who you are? I don't know if I worded that the best but would love to hear thoughts from a "conservative Republican" on it.

    Posted by: huskerman68 | Dec 4, 2012 12:08:43 PM


  11. it aint divisive rhetoric - there's a very specific reason the GOP chooses, over and over again, to run on "gays and abortionists want to rob you of your Christian liberty!" campaigns.

    it's the same reason every anti-gay political group around the world does it. because that's how you trick people into voting against their own economic interests.

    duh.

    the GOP's fiscal plans are what i object to most.

    and the sad reality is that gay republicans are the only ones "defined by" by their being gay. liberals? we're not defined by being gay. that's why our non-gay allies support us and love us. we don't need to apologize for being gay to win support. we're already supported. the only people defined by "being gay" are those who can't shut up about "not being defined by being gay" - incidentally, the people who support a party that cares not for all the "good" they may do, but only about whom they love.

    "sorry, i know you guys support the GOP and our policies and you join us in hating Obama, but we still think you're undeserving of Equality, because to us being gay is the thing about you we still hate the most"

    werk.

    if you think the GOP will drop its anti-gay policies, i'll ask you this- what will their next angle be, then, to convince their base to vote, again, for taxation and healthcare policies that will actually not aid them?

    care to provide insight? i'm all ears.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Dec 4, 2012 12:14:57 PM


  12. and Lars, the day republicans, especially gay republican, man up for once and step up to the plate and demand and command respect as LGBT people....i'll eat my words.

    until then, it's the same old same old from them - rather than showing their fellow republicans about the realities of LGBT Equality, all they do is insist that they're "not like those liberal lefty gays"

    yeah. us horrible lefty liberal gays. with our friends and family who stand up for equality. how terrible of us. ohhhh the shaaame.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Dec 4, 2012 12:18:41 PM


  13. And Mr. Waldman, the GOP has been a fiscal disaster, wasting trillions on useless wars, tax cuts for people who couldn't spend their dough in three lifetimes, military spending for ten times more hardware than we need.
    That you people can repeat the same falsehoods for so many years without being called on it just shows the laziness and ignorance of the liberal base.

    Posted by: Wilberforce | Dec 4, 2012 12:35:55 PM


  14. Kiwi : I'm not saying I disagree with your views, but...are you even American ?

    Posted by: Yupp | Dec 4, 2012 12:38:30 PM


  15. Also, the republicans are controlled by religious extremists (aka, AFA, etc.) Until the republicans jettison these lunatics they will continue to be a joke that they are.

    Posted by: RK | Dec 4, 2012 12:38:44 PM


  16. I agree with Lars. Divisive rhetoric.

    Posted by: Vince Smetana | Dec 4, 2012 12:41:52 PM


  17. when was the last time a GOP admin didn't put the country into debt?


    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Dec 4, 2012 12:43:15 PM


  18. isn't the divisive rhetoric coming from the GOP who continue to lie about LGBT people rather than tell the truth about their fiscal policies to their base?

    romney doesn't get in front of a room of millionaires and talk about "gays and abortions"
    that's reserved for talking to po' folk whom he plans to screw over.

    learn to discern.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Dec 4, 2012 12:54:42 PM


  19. I agree with Wilberforce, Jamal and LittleKiwi. He's talking with a forked tongue. He combines some sensible rhetoric - "gay conservatives don't have to vote for anti-gay Republicans" (although I shouldn't have thought that needed saying) - with a bunch of nonsense. Guess what? This country will one day have single payer European style healthcare. Because it's the only system that's been proven to operate efficiently and fairly, and to benefit a country's economy rather than be a drag on it. It was hilarious to see a moronic superPAC ad for Romney with a scaremongering list of the countries that were "more competitive" than the United States. All of them had socialized medicine!

    Posted by: EchtKultig | Dec 4, 2012 1:04:48 PM


  20. I also agree with Lars, Liittlekiwi is constantly doing this. Think of him as the gentle "rick" or like a mace in a tea cozy.

    Surprisingly the rest of the world has all these divergent thoughts that little doesn't have time for. Like compassion and patience with someone who has an incorrect personal view, little has no time for that. He called me a self hating bigot for having a friend who is republican.

    All he is is divisive because he accepts no other view points.

    Posted by: Fenrox | Dec 4, 2012 1:06:42 PM


  21. FENROX, you're right. Ari is very dashing. He looks like a cross between a young Kevin Kline and a young John Gilbert.

    Now, what is this discussion about? Who cares?

    Ari is very dashing.

    Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Dec 4, 2012 1:07:15 PM


  22. @LittleKiwi I would be the first to agree that gay Republicans have been often supremely unhelpful in our cause for equality. As Ari aptly identified, their endorsement of a candidate as vehemently anti-gay as Romney deeply undercut their legitimacy and effectiveness.

    But on the other hand it is beyond dispute that gay Republicans also played an integral role in overturning DADT, by lobbying members of congress behind the scenes and providing cover for those -- like Sen Collins -- who ultimately came out in favor of the repeal. The suit they filed in California also helped provide extrinsic pressure by way of the Third Branch of government.

    What concerns me about your comments is that they betray a simplistic understanding of the United States' political system. The RNC and DNC are not monolithic organizations with strict party discipline. There is a diversity of opinion within their ranks -- amongst elected officials and the people who vote for them -- and that is why we would be foolish to write off a vast swath of the country.

    The us/them mentality (or 47%) suggested by your comments is a) needlessly oblivious to the reality that there Republicans working for equality, and b) potentially detrimental from a tactical point of view.

    Regarding your concern that the GOP will forever cling to this particular social issue as a necessary wedge (in the manner of Karl Rove in 2004): my answer is that they can only do that so long as a critical mass of people (ie voters and party activists) are actually divided by the issue. And that critical mass is shrinking. The ground is shifting and the movement for equality is ascendent. And this is happening precisely because people like you and I are willing to speak to Republicans (in my case this meant tough but productive conversations with specific friends and family members) and win them to our side, instead of telling them to go f*ck themselves.

    Posted by: Lars | Dec 4, 2012 1:09:15 PM


  23. Lars :, I'll ask you the same (JUST out of curiosity). Are you American ?

    Posted by: Yupp | Dec 4, 2012 1:15:11 PM


  24. @at LittleKiwi: I think you have discerned and adequately discussed the situation. The GOP is a backward group of haters who probably would pass something like the Uganda bill if they could. Thank you for extremely good comments.

    Posted by: Goodcarver | Dec 4, 2012 1:19:14 PM


  25. without the anti-gay wedge, what non-issue will the GOP use to distract their flock from the outright folly that has been their fiscal plan?

    anyone?

    most GOP leaders don't believe a word of the anti-gay nonsense they spew. but they know their followers do. that's the choice they've made.

    the most GOP-strong states are also those lagging most in education.

    this is the reality.

    there's as much "diversity of opinion" as there is ethnic diversity in an Abercrombie & Fitch catalogue.

    oh sure, there's a few "non-bigots" in there. at the back. hidden away. next to the asian and the black guy. behind the walls of aryans.

    notice you can only ramble about me, not the points i'm making.

    mhmmm, gurl.
    *elegant curtsy*

    when you "convince" a republican to support LGBT Equality, how far does it go? one who says "i support gays but i'm still voting for romney, whose policies are anti-gay?"
    sorry. that's a fail.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Dec 4, 2012 1:19:50 PM


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