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Towleroad's Legal Editor Ari Waldman Talks to Waywire About the Republican Party and Gay Voters: VIDEO

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Towleroad's legal editor Ari Ezra Waldman talks to Waywire's Baruch Shemtov about the recent election, the Republican Party, and the gay vote. Waywire is the video news-sharing service co-created by Newark Mayor Cory Booker.

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  1. @Yupp, I wish he would just type his thoughts instead of adding a bunch of crap and attacking people with it. People are supposed to be opinionated on the internet, look at ratbastard, he is hated by people here for his viewpoints, and when challenged, he (usually, nobody is perfect) will reiterate his point instead of outlandish attacks.

    Posted by: Fenrox | Dec 4, 2012 2:26:35 PM


  2. in the words of Irene Adler: "Smart is the new sexy"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU5qR8EbtuY

    Posted by: Mercedes | Dec 4, 2012 2:27:37 PM


  3. yes. i'm a bully. not the GOP folks who are promoting anti-gay prejudice in legislature and policy. got it. riiiiight.

    listen, since you two boys don't have the orbs to put a face to your own comments, and your own worth as gay americans, you should be thanking my canuck socialist @ss for doing what you refuse to do.

    i get it. those who refuse to stand up to be counted are bitter toward many that do. not my problem.


    notice you've derailed this from a discussion about politics to your own masturbatory obsession with me. move along, kiddo.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Dec 4, 2012 2:49:50 PM


  4. Kiwi : BOTH can be bullies, both you as well as most Republicans. Like Nazis and Commies (mutual enemies) are both bullies in Europe both then and now.

    Posted by: Yupp | Dec 4, 2012 3:00:39 PM


  5. Divisive rhetoric:

    "what point are you sad gay white boys ...

    "i eagerly await the angry responses from your loyal ...

    "your problem is that you’re all cowards ..."

    Comment by Little_Kiwi — March 2, 2012 @ 4:36 pm - March 2, 2012

    Posted by: Cinesnatch | Dec 4, 2012 3:08:08 PM


  6. Cinesnatch : Yeah, we know he does that, but....again, I wonder why a foreign guy is so obssessed with this ONE particular aspect of gay life in the U.S. It doesn't make sense. When there are so many really horrific things going on in the gay scene (the murders, the animal abuse, anti-Catholic bigotry, racism)in both the U.S. and in other countries.

    Posted by: Yupp | Dec 4, 2012 3:16:57 PM


  7. See, he can't/doesn't comprehend anyone he sees as "bad".

    I for instance am bad because I haven't volunteered in the last 5 years on any gay causes and I have a friend who is GOP. Never mind that I used to run several gay youth programs, no mind that I donate lots of money to gay orgs that do fight the fight. Nope, I'm just a coward and so on.


    The GOP doesn't have a monopoly on bullying, see: Littlekiwi.

    Posted by: Fenrox | Dec 4, 2012 3:28:41 PM


  8. Little Kiwi shares his visage, but doesn't use his real name. Unless I'm mistaken and its "little kiwi" and talks about having orbs? (Or maybe he does on his blog). Why the obsession with seeing people's faces? You can use anyone's face on the Internet.

    Posted by: Vince Smetana | Dec 4, 2012 3:31:18 PM


  9. I don't understand the gay Republican or conservative mind-set that allows them to vote for politicians who are opposed, sometime vehemently, to their own civil rights. To me it would be like a black person or a person who believed in ending segregation, in 1960s Alabama, voting for George Wallace because they like his policy on property taxes or whatever.

    You can't partition off just one part of a politician's platform and pretend the rest of it doesn't exist. No matter what you SAY, you're enabling and empowering that part of their policies too by voting for them. They have no reason to change because their anti-gay animus isn't a deal breaker for you.

    Posted by: Caliban | Dec 4, 2012 4:28:01 PM


  10. You guys really need to get up to speed on Kiwi. In a nutshell. She's tired. This chick spends all day posting on this blog because (drum roll). HE AIN'T GOT NOTHING BETTER TO DO. end point. He goes on and on about his blog (that nobody but his mama and his so called millions of str8 followers visit) and his only really comeback is "coward" "your daddy blah blah". I mean he makes the occasional good point, but he's troubled and lonely with lots of time on his hands (trust fund brat). Harmless.

    Posted by: Wow | Dec 4, 2012 4:31:42 PM


  11. Hey, CALIBAN:

    What you're saying is true not only about people who don't vote their own interest, but even voting for people that believe you are not a worthy of equal rights.

    BUT it's intersting, if you go back before the LBJ administration there were Black Republicans who criticized Black Democrats.

    They asked,"how could you
    be in a political party with people who don't believe you should have the right to vote, or not have equality under the law? How could you be in the same party as George Wallace, John Stenis, Lester Maddox and other avowed segregationists?"

    It frustrated Black Republicans to find out another Black person was a Democrat--the party of the "Solid South" where most Blacks weren't allowed to vote.

    I have about as much respect for Gay Republicans and Black Republicans as Little Kiwi does? But this issue is not new.

    Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Dec 4, 2012 4:49:08 PM


  12. @DERRICK FROM PHILLY thanks for some historical context. Political allegiances shift and change, as different policy battles rise and fall. And that's merely another great reason why it is so completely short-sighted to summarily dismiss an entire cross-section of the United States out of hand.

    Stand up to the bone-headed divisive rhetoric. Our message of equality is for ALL people.

    Posted by: Lars | Dec 4, 2012 5:31:35 PM


  13. Ari, please explain why you consider "crazy" to be a synonym for "left".

    Posted by: Randy | Dec 4, 2012 5:33:02 PM


  14. wtf Baruch, pawing Ari with your eyes on nationally-distributed video. careful, Ari, hahaha. Did anyone else see that?!!

    Posted by: just_a_guy | Dec 4, 2012 8:49:03 PM


  15. The Republican party will not drop its anti-gay rhetoric until they drop the Religious Right from their base. Right now, I think hell will freeze over first. The Religious Right almost universally believes Republicans lost because they were not anti-gay enough.

    There has been a severe uptick in party-line voting. Especially among the Republicans, some of whom claim a mandate from the election while denying one for Obama.

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Dec 4, 2012 9:07:20 PM


  16. Just to add some history, while the Republicans said many things about McGovern (radical leftist, etc.), one of the strangest was the "soft on defense" charge. While both McGovern and Nixon were in the military during World War II, Nixon was not in any combat position, whereas McGovern was flying airplanes, was nearly killed by shrapnel coming through the window, made dicy landings with an engine on fire, etc.

    Interestingly, McGovern didn't brag about any of that during the campaign. Perhaps due to knowing what it was really like, McGovern did not want us to be in a war without a really good reason. Nixon by contrast talked about "peace with honor" after being more or less a paper-pusher during a war (its necessary and he apparently did a good job of it, but landing an airplane half shot to pieces is definitely going to get your attention a lot more than handling some contract negotiations). Nixon's campaign tactic was used afterwards in much more outrageous forms such as the "swift boating" of John Kerry.

    Maybe the Democrats are "soft on defense" (whatever that means) but that's a lot better than having decisions made by swaggering paper pushers who show how macho they are by putting someone else's "rear end" on the line ("rear end" to avoid Towleroad's filters).

    Posted by: Bill | Dec 4, 2012 9:52:26 PM


  17. That was a great interview. I agree with everything Baruch said. I especially agree with the point he made that there are many things in the democratic party today that conservatives can support. The political spectrum, in the last few decades, has shifted so far to the right that nost of the national democratic policies are more centrist or moderate than liberal. The democratic party is a big tent party. Today the democratic caucus in Congress has a huge center and a small conservative wing and a bit larger liberal wing. "Virtus in medium stat".
    .

    Posted by: andrew | Dec 4, 2012 10:01:00 PM


  18. D.A., I think you are onto something.

    For example, if Brewer is the face of the Republican party, then the 400 (?) or so (cowering) gay republicans in Arizona CANNOT be blamed as the single cause of persistant anti-gay hate in Republican politics in Arizona. However, I don't think Ari is doing that.

    In any case, GoProud and the Log Cabin Republicans SHOULD be called out for their lack of effective leadership. Sadly, I have little hope for the Republican party's gay quislings. (That said, Republican-open Dan Choi, where have you been?!! Were you single-issue even within gay rights??)

    Overall, I predict further decline of the Republican party as a national party in the next decade. The Republicans won't quite die out though (unless they refuse to budge on minority/lgbt/women's dignity).

    The next successful GOP President (around 2020 or 2024) will campaign on a pro-gay-rights platform. That GOP President will be (perhaps hopelessly) straight, but a nice-enough moderate guy who does ZERO catering to the religiofanatics. Unfortunately, the gay leaders who emerge under this future gay-friendly leader will be more George Washington Carver than King Jr. (It's OK, Dan Choi is still a good guy; could he be a Secretary of State??)

    Things could move quicker--and the Republican Party might just go the way of the Whigs??--if the Obama/Pelosi/Kucinech team passes ENDA next year at the same time as the Supremes overturn DOMA. THAT could change the landscape for good, fast.

    In the meantime, ask not what ... (right??).

    Posted by: just_a_guy | Dec 4, 2012 10:28:05 PM


  19. @Yupp & Fenrox: LittleKiwi is the Donald Trump of the left. With meanspirited and bombastic rhetoric he attempts to silence anyone who dares to disagree with him. He will say anything to crush those who disagree. He sometimes pulls out aliases to help him crush opponents. At other times he will post sick comments about you in your name. He sometimes posts very pointed and sophisticated comments, but down deep he is a very troubled individual.

    Posted by: andrew | Dec 5, 2012 12:08:09 AM


  20. ANDREW - you're right about KIWI. It's also true that as someone said not long ago he's the only poster on this feed who's as smart as he thinks he is. So much for smart. It's undone by his intolrance and outright sick viciousness. I love calling him Frankenfag and such because despire ocassional posts of real charm, and often of insight, he's not normal enough in the healthy sense to be either trusted or welcome. He's the Marat Sade of the Left. Smart but bad company.

    Posted by: UFFDA | Dec 5, 2012 6:44:32 AM


  21. This was disappointing. I know all that, and this has been hashed out repeatedly here.

    What I was hoping to hear was more analysis that if the GOP doesn't win over gays, they will continue to lose elections. Are we critical to their hopes of regaining the White House, or not? That's what I want to know.

    If a strong case can be made that we are critical, then we can make that case to the GOP leaders, and perhaps they will come around. If we are NOT critical, then nothing will change.

    Posted by: Randy | Dec 5, 2012 12:20:42 PM


  22. @Just_a_Guy: Sorry, no more Kucinich. Due to redistricting, two progressive Democrats went head-to-head in the primaries: Kucinich and Kaptor. Kucinich lost.

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Dec 5, 2012 1:40:13 PM


  23. The idea that Republicans are conservative is nonsense. It is not conservative to prosecute unpaid for wars, to provide corporate welfare and then complain about the size of the deficit while refusing to tax the wealthy, to pander to bigots and special interests, to refuse to heed warnings of scientists about climate change, to refuse to protect endangered species, to violate the separation of church and state, to promote discrimination against glbt people and other minorities. Republicans are not conservatives. They belong to a party that has cobbled together a coalition of oligarchs, greedy rich people, religious nuts, ignorant rednecks, and bigots. They sad thing is that they constitute 45% of the country.

    Posted by: JayJonson | Dec 22, 2012 10:10:50 AM


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