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  1. Jasun Mark says

    “girls with a bunch of gay guys.”

    Well Geez… I can’t remember the last time I said “you know what we really need? Another show with upper middle class white gay men acting like a bunch of girly fags.”

    I mean… it feels like DAYS since we had another one. Please tell me this has lines like “promiscuity is the gay ambivalence” or “I can’t have cheesecake…I’m GAY!!”

  2. Jasun Mark says

    “girls with a bunch of gay guys.”

    Well Geez… I can’t remember the last time I said “you know what we really need? Another show with upper middle class white gay men acting like a bunch of girly fags.”

    I mean… it feels like DAYS since we had another one. Please tell me this has lines like “promiscuity is the gay ambivalence” or “I can’t have cheesecake…I’m GAY!!”

  3. Matt26 says

    I had hard time to get through the episode. I found it boring and the characters aren’t likable. If the second episode is the same, won’t continue watching it. Sorry.

  4. Mike B. says

    Well, it doesn’t give me anxiety from being set in NYC (sorry, my time in that town was stressful and claustrophobic).

    The song in the end credits is cute.

  5. says

    Jasun Mark, if your solution is for gays like “you” to have your own program, what (pray tell) will the content be?

    a solitary gay man who resents being gay angrily typing about “f@gs” from the anonymity of his computer, who loathes all the openly gay people who date, have active social lives, and interact with their brothers in public?

    there is a show about your type. It’s called “hoarders”

  6. says

    i want a television treatment of Ethan Mordden’s “Buddies Cycle” of novels.

    there’s no funnier, touching, honest and loving depiction of gay male friendships and the families we create with one another.

    best gay lit. ever.

  7. scott says

    I agree with Matt26. The characters are self-loathing and hell-bent on self-destruction. It they can’t love themselves, is it any wonder they can’t love others.

  8. Jack says

    As genuine gay television, I don’t see how you could not enjoy this. Yes, I also liked “The Outs.” But the acting here was in many ways more believable, and the story just as interesting. It was very well written. And it left me wanting to see more.

  9. garry says

    In truth, there’s very little appeal to this episode. The writing sucks (pithy, glib urbanites trying to sound profound…um, overdone); the acting is mediocre (the female buddy is gawdawful…appallingly bad); and let’s face it, there’s nothing even remotely interesting about any the people, the story, the visuals, the sets…
    The Outs is light years ahead of this drivel.

  10. Robert says

    Kudos to creating a project that is obviously done with heart and with passion. It is obvious that Mr. Williamson has chops as an actor and reminds me somewhat of a young Michael Emerson. However the conversations really should have more of a an improvised feel, and really wanted to see some uniqueness with the characters. But once again, congratulations to the project as I am aware just how much work and care went into it.

  11. Jasun Mark says

    Uh… LITTLEKIWI, someone needs to explain to you the concept of “anonymity.” I told you my first and last names. That’s kinda the opposite of “anonymous.”

    Google me. I’m married (to a man, 21 years) and I lead a pretty open life. Look for my Youtube Channel. I’m not sure what a TV show I’d create would look like but I’ll tell you this… it wouldn’t be “Girls With Gay Guys.”

    Does EVERY gay guy on TV have to be a fashion-obsessed, flighty, diva-loving, fey BFF who does his best girl friend’s hair?

  12. WebHybrid says

    I’m with Matt26 and Rexford.

    The actors are fine. The camerawork is fine. Etc. But it’s the content: same old thing. So much melancholy ‘truth’telling. Codependency passes for ‘love,’ and booze and dope are the solutions to all problems. YAWN.

  13. AriesMatt says

    Like the actors, story is fine, sound is an issue, especially when they talk low. Can’t catch the dialog, which I really wanted to hear. Otherwise, I’ll be checking out the next ep.

  14. GARY says

    Love the free exchange of opinion in the comment section (The Outs vs ES)…just don’t forget when there weren’t any depictions of gay life on TV in any form; it wasn’t that long ago!

  15. jhr459 says

    JASUN MARK – ‘Does EVERY gay guy on TV have to be a fashion-obsessed, flighty, diva-loving, fey BFF who does his best girl friend’s hair?
    That’s what you got from this episode – wow, …….just wow.

  16. Miguel R. says

    It’s fine. I’d watch the second episode. It is very Silverlakey. Even them watching TV drinking coffee on a Thunderbolt display. It’s just exactly right. If you don’t know Silverlake, it is hard to describe- it’s like a little bit Twin Peaks, a little bit Greenpoint, a little bit Lower Haight. The girlfriend eating ice cream out of a chinese take-out carton and being worried about her closet suburban desires. Perfect. Three sorta-pretty (but not too) gays dressed like urban lumberjacks. Perfect. Uber-hipsters who unwittingly recreate the small town midwestern life they thought they left behind. Exactly right. Is it super interesting? It’s ok. Think of it as insight into a very particular part of LA life, people. Not gay life. LA life.

  17. Miguel R. says

    It’s fine. I’d watch the second episode. It is very Silverlakey. Even them watching TV drinking coffee on a Thunderbolt display. It’s just exactly right. If you don’t know Silverlake, it is hard to describe- it’s like a little bit Twin Peaks, a little bit Greenpoint, a little bit Lower Haight. The girlfriend eating ice cream out of a chinese take-out carton and being worried about her closet suburban desires. Perfect. Three sorta-pretty (but not too) gays dressed like urban lumberjacks. Perfect. Uber-hipsters who unwittingly recreate the small town midwestern life they thought they left behind. Exactly right. Is it super interesting? It’s ok. Think of it as insight into a very particular part of LA life, people. Not gay life. LA life.

  18. Jerry6 says

    My Partner/Lover and I have been together for over 20 years, and we have never had any conversation that even remotely resembles the ones that permeate every “GAY” themed computerized show we have ever watched. Maybe that is why we have been together for so long. We do not put ouwer selves under a microscope.

  19. Toto says

    Shaky cam… check
    Grungy, hipstery types with mumble-core dialogue …check
    zany, bi-polar fag hag… check

    This is a collection of modern day tropes built on tropes. Something like New Normal isnt all that intelligent (and very mainstreamined) but it does push the theme of gay relations into a new area with 2 committed gay characters that have jobs they care about and an extended group of family members that doesnt make it feel like a messy self pity party. I dont know if this was created in reaction to the Outs but the latter feels fresher than this. Cant say it cant redeem itself but right now it feels like art simply following trends and not distinguishing its own style or tone.

  20. BenR says

    While I do agree that this seems really formulaic, I’m not seeing what Jaysun described as :”fashion-obsessed, flighty, diva-loving, fey BFF who does his best girl friend’s hair?” I didn’t see any of that here.

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