French National Assembly Approves Bill Legalizing Gay Marriage and Adoption in 329-229 Vote

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France's lower house of parliament has approved a broad bill to legalize same-sex marriage and allow gay couples to adopt children in a 329-229 vote.

The AP reports:

President Francois Hollande's Socialists have pushed the measure through the National Assembly and put France on track to join about a dozen, mostly European nations that grant marriage and adoption rights to homosexuals.

The measure, approved in a 329-to-229 vote Tuesday, comes despite an array of demonstrations in recent weeks by opponents of the "marriage for all" bill. Polls show most French support legalizing gay marriage, though that backing softens when children come into play.

The measure now moves to the Senate.

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  1. done ! vive la France !

    Posted by: willy | Feb 12, 2013 11:19:51 AM


  2. Vive l'égalité!

    Posted by: Matt26 | Feb 12, 2013 11:35:52 AM


  3. Poor, pathetic NOM. Batting 1,000 these days, even in other countries.

    Posted by: Marc C | Feb 12, 2013 11:35:53 AM


  4. Great.

    Look at this dispassionately,though. A significant number of deputies in the lower house [U.S. equivalent is the House of Representatives - Congress] voted against it, and opinion polls show substantial opposition, especially in regards to gay adoption.


    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 12, 2013 11:52:12 AM


  5. @Rat, 329 with a 100 majority voted in favor. Support for marriage is at between 60% and 70%, and even adoption has at least 50% in terms of public support. Must you be cynical about everything? Just because America is hell on earth and you're jealous that some of us are better off, doesn't mean you have to be so cynical and in constant denial over EVERYTHING.

    Posted by: Chris | Feb 12, 2013 12:00:28 PM


  6. The senate will examine the text starting April 2, which is also controlled by the socialists and their allies. It may be sent back to the assembly for a second reading. It is an important step anyway.

    Posted by: simon | Feb 12, 2013 12:04:17 PM


  7. That so called "significant number" mostly consists of the UMP opposition. It became insignificant anyway since they were overwhelmed by the socialist majority.

    Posted by: simon | Feb 12, 2013 12:09:04 PM


  8. @Chris,

    Where are you located?

    America is 'Hell on Earth"? Well Chris, that a GROSS exaggeration to put it mildly.

    And Chris, my state has had gay marriage since June, 2004.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 12, 2013 12:18:02 PM


  9. 329 to 229 is a clear majority, with still a significant minority voting against. Plus, the socialist government is doing poorly in the polls..it is not a popular government. I'm not saying gay marriage will not come to pass in France, I'm just referring to the reality on the ground. Some of you post a too rosy picture.

    I just find some of you posters amusing the way you skew everything. I understand some of you are true believers and shills for this or that ideology that has on the surface little to do specifically with gay civil rights per-se, and that you're looking at a much larger picture. But try and be honest.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 12, 2013 12:24:10 PM


  10. France is very traditional in many ways and, like other parts of Europe--but especially in France, they've always been weirdly hung up on the children/adoption piece. So the vote is not particularly surprising and a solid majority is what was needed, and that's what counts, to the chagrin of NOM and the bigoted segment of French society.

    Posted by: Ernie | Feb 12, 2013 1:15:55 PM


  11. Ernie is absolutely correct France is a very traditional country. Women in Fance could not vote until 1945.

    Posted by: BC | Feb 12, 2013 1:56:41 PM


  12. @ Ratbastard,
    have to agree with Chris on your excessive cynicism. When does the party start for you? When you get 100% of the vote? 90%, 80%? Seriously, this IS an historic event, even its accomplished by one vote, and should be a cause of joy. Doesn't mean the war is over, it just means one more battle has been won. Sheesh, enjoy the good things in life, hate to see what you have to say when things don't go your way!

    Posted by: Dave | Feb 12, 2013 3:10:39 PM


  13. It is funny. Rat said that "I'm not saying gay marriage will not come to pass in France". In the same post, Rat said "Some of you post too rosy a picture." Even if the socialist government is unpopular, which is not exactly true, it will not fall tomorrow and the bill will still pass. Numbers don't lie, majority is majority. It is rosy because it is.

    Posted by: simon | Feb 12, 2013 3:27:16 PM


  14. It will very likely pass, but opponents have vowed to fight it in court. The Supreme Court has shown a propensity to swap down the new Socialist government, namely, with respect to its 75 percent tax on the wealthy. Hopefully, they will not do the same to marriage equality. This is not yet over.

    Posted by: Jake | Feb 12, 2013 3:44:01 PM


  15. Yeah, coming from someone living in France for years, I'd say Ratbastard is pretty off the mark. "Look at it disspassionately"......what??? Why? It's great progress and I'm overjoyed to see it! Many voted for Hollande because he said he would legalise gay marriage if he was elected.

    First of all, to put things in perspective, although France is a very liberal country, they are fiercely protective of children and the family unit in a way that is stronger than in the USA. Additionally, they take a looooong time to change things, as a way of protecting their traditional culture. This does not mean 'traditional values' or 'family values' which are really just nice-sounding cover terms for 'discrimination' among the religious in the USA; just that they are oddly protective of their way of life. So, even I was surprised they are legalising gay marriage AND adoption at the same time, it seemed a bit too much at once to me. The fact they can make rather big changes like that rather suddenly shows that it is generally widely accepted. You also have to take into account the fact that France has the largest conservative Islam and conservative Jewish populations in Europe.

    Even at the recent 'traditional families' demonstration, there was a complete absence of hateful signs and messages saying homosexuality is a sin and such. It's almost like the 'anti-gay' protesters weren't exactly 'anti-gay' but just more concerned and confused about what a change could mean for their culture.

    Also, I really have to say : in France, the straight guys dress better, and the gay guys are way more masculine. It's like there isn't this giant divide between straight guys and gay guys. I think it has something to do with the fact that generally, it's just not really a 'big deal' if someone is gay. I think it's because they are generally more open to bisexuality and sexual liberty overall, as they do not develop complexes from birth from being told that they will go to Hell if they don't do what Jesus says.

    Posted by: HOCKEYJOCK | Feb 12, 2013 4:24:08 PM


  16. For crying out loud, how many more hoops does this have to go through? Well, at least it's on it's way.

    Posted by: Sergio | Feb 12, 2013 4:32:08 PM


  17. j'adore le socialism!

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Feb 12, 2013 4:35:37 PM


  18. You're kinda full of it,Hockeyjock. What you wrote is nothing more than typical thinly veiled Euro-leftist anti-Americanism. Plus it's very hard to compare a relatively small country like France with a huge one like the U.S.

    There's no magical "we all love homosexuals" attitude among the general French population, especially outside the rarefied world of inner Paris. The only real difference is in the U.S. southern states in particular an extreme homophobic attitude among evangelical Protestant Christians that's pretty much non-existent in France. French Catholics are similar to average American Catholics in that they are really only nominally Catholic and are pretty much non-religious. It also matter in the U.S. where you live, because I can tell you emphatically where I live [Boston,Massachusetts,New England] it is a non-issue for the vast majority of people and people here are overwhelmingly not strongly religious.

    Finally, European nations and the UK do have some very strict laws regarding un-PC language, written and verbal, so in fact many Brits and Euros are simply afraid to speak what's really on their mind on PC issues like gay marriage and so-on. Their media is also overwhelmingly left oriented and their governments have a long history of funding news media outlets on TV and radio, and these media outlets tend to be very PC but not really reflective of general attitudes among average people.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 12, 2013 4:39:54 PM


  19. It is true Hockeyjock that Euro men tend to dress more shall I say metro-sexual, less 'down' than on average American [and Canadian] males, at least outside of work or clubbing. But many American cities have more than their share of hipsters and Eurotrash or wannabes.

    As for French gay men being more masculine, all I can say is WTF are you smoking? This is a silly comment. I agree to a degree that in especially big city gayborhoods and in big cities in general you'll come across a lot of gay guys who aren't going to win any prizes in the masculinity category, which is probably why they are living in a big city gayborhood to begin with. And they of course tend to stand out from gay guys who are physically and attitude wise not so-called 'gay acting'.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 12, 2013 4:46:22 PM


  20. Calling France a small country is odd as is trying to interpret events in France as a projection of American politics or culture. France has a Parliamentary system and the left have a majority in both houses and the the Presidency so it will be Law. Liberal reforms are usually introduced by the left in European countries and are not reversed once introduced. If the UK follows then two of the UN security Counsils' permanent members will have equal marriage. The long run effects will be substantial and positive.

    Posted by: Keith | Feb 12, 2013 9:36:37 PM


  21. @Keith,

    Compared to the United States? Yes, France is much smaller. The geographical size, even regional diversity, and population itself, in the U.S., is much greater in the U.S.

    And I in no way tried to project American politics and culture in trying to understand French politics and culture. But to pretend France and Europe is some kind of paradise for gays, a gay nirvana, is ridiculous and untrue. The real reason you see less difficulty in getting gay marriage laws passed at national level in Europe is due primarily to political systems. In the U.S. it's simply very difficult for any government of any party or ideology to operate at will the way for example a French majority government can. The average French voter didn't specifically vote for gay marriage when they voted for a socialist government but it's a part of the bargain that if they like it or not, they must accept. The U.S is also much less centralized. Individual states have the kind of power regional governments in European nations wish they had.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 12, 2013 11:06:47 PM


  22. Ratbastard is an anti gay IDIOT. I can't believe y'all are even responding to that self hating, hetero fixated, nut job. EVERY post he makes has a slant against the gay community. EVERY SINGLE POST. and lol he lives on this board. he's obsessed with gay news and gay people, and is miserable about the incredible progress we're making. He'll probably die of cancer very soon. just being honest.

    Posted by: J.J | Feb 13, 2013 12:24:37 AM


  23. I live in France and lived all over Europe. Gays are out, everywhere and people don't care and a vast majority DO support them.
    Ratbastard aren't you the poster who's infamous for attempting to turn all pro gay news stories into a negative angle?

    Posted by: FrenchMorliece | Feb 13, 2013 12:28:48 AM


  24. Wait until countries figure out that passing laws granting equal rights to gay people is the best, easiest, and sneakiest way of telling Islam to bugger off. The Kremlin will fly the gay flag when they figure that one out.

    Posted by: David Hearne | Feb 13, 2013 12:44:14 PM


  25. Ratbastard, why are you so angry...? First of all, it has nothing to do with Euro-leftist/anti-Americanism whatsoever, lol, and trying to dismiss it as such is a sort of cheap way of trying to write-off someone's legitimate opinion.

    I just think it's nice France is legalising gay marriage, and I would like to see the entire USA legalise gay marriage as well.

    I mainly based what I said on this ; 30 USA states have banned gay marriage. 0 regions of France have banned gay marriage. Also, the entire nation already has civil unions - many straight people prefer these to getting married! If I get a civil union with a French man (which I can already do right now), I can get French citizenship, however he can't get US citizenship. I've even had a (straight!) male French friend who offered to get a civil union with me so I can get it. I think things like that indicates which country might be more slightly more accepting of gays. Don't forget, it's also the country that forced most of Europe to de-criminalise homosexuality, and allowed gay soldiers into the military. 200 years ago. It's also based on my years of interactions and living with families and friends and boyfriends in both countries, in the countryside and big city in both places.

    I'm not saying this makes one country 'better' than the other by any means! And if New England and where you live is accepting of gays, that's great! I'm just saying overall, France seems to be slightly more accepting than gays of the US. I would say 'in my opinion', but really...it's more like a fact...

    I really don't agree with you claiming the French are just secretly homophobic but can't say it because they're too PC, or because the media is liberal-dominated. That's a little bit laughable.

    As for the last part, I'm smoking un pétard, wtf are YOU smoking? It's not a silly comment by any means, fly here and I'll show you and you can smoke with me. You know, it's true that is just my opinion, and it's a wide generalisation, they might not be 'way' more masculine, but I sweeearrr there is a difference, but that's just based on my personal experience. There is a range of different types of guys in both countries. But I still I seriously think it's because French guys come out earlier so they don't have to search for this whole 'gay identity' hey gurrrl heyyy thing, there is no religious 'you're going to hell' pressure so straight-acting guys can be more out of the closet and are more welcome in the military and sports, there tends to be ridiculously flambuoyant gay characters in American gay media/films and more 'typical guy' characters (with no lisps...) in French gay media so that's what men in each respective country emulate, and I'm almost positive French have more bisexual experiences so it's possible more guys are kind of bi instead of pushing that side of them aside to have a straight life, straight French guys are more openly allowed to love fashion (so it doesn't become a solely gay-male dominated area), the line is a bit fuzzier, and the effect of all those things makes them seems slightly more masculine (at the very least, definitely less adhered to the image of what a stereotypical gay guy should be...) to me. I think this might change as homosexuality is more and more normalised in the USA.

    Posted by: HOCKEYJOCK | Feb 13, 2013 2:28:45 PM


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