1. Sean in Dallas says

    Enough of this “morally straight” reference. How about “be a good citizen”? That’s what the intent is, anyway.

    Don’t take advice from a guy who insists on lying that there’s a god in the heavens you can’t see or touch or otherwise demonstrate exists. Talk about morals.

  2. Alan says

    The problem I have with this argument is that its an argument against gay scout leaders. But they don’t limit it to that, they make it about scouts, which both penalizes and demonizes young people who are mostly too confused to declare one way or the other (though the number that aren’t confused these days shocks me).

    Put the “OUT” IN SCOUT.

  3. Dastius Krazitauc says

    One of the followup questions should have been, “As a heterosexual male, are you attracted to teenaged girls? Should anyone be concerned about you being alone with their daughter?”

  4. Bob says

    A– this jerk assumes that the homo Scouts will have magic conversion powers over all the other boys. Actually, it MIGHT result in some fooling around, but no one who is straight is gonna change from it
    B– I keep mentioning the kid who joins Cubs at 7 and realizes he is Gay at 12,14, etc. At that moment, do the cattle cars come and take him away from all his friends, and deposit him in “Gays-witz” the mythical seperate-but-equal Gay scout troop across town?

  5. ernest1960 says

    So what exactly is “sexually pure”? Shouldn’t that mean that divorced men, men who have had affairs, etc. not be allowed to be scout leaders? I guess they only want straight men who have only been with one woman and only in missionary position? So crazy.

  6. Leo says

    Land’s girl scout comparison argument IS based on the pedophilia slippery slope though – I wish they would have called him on that.

    I guess bigotry is received like a broken record by more of the populous now so these people have to resort to PR savvy faux-arguments.

  7. Steve says

    People should google a bit and learn about the sexual abuse scandals in the Baptist church. They aren’t far behind the Catholic Church when it comes to covering up abuse and moving people around. They don’t have the same centralized authority, but abuse is extremely widespread there.

    And for that matter news anchors needs to bring up the history of the Southern Baptists and point out why there is a southern branch in the first place. It’s because the are racists who supported slavery.

  8. will b says

    As a young teenager in the 90’s, I sang in a contemporary xtian band that toured the country. We played southern baptist venues exclusively and there was always one church leader at each megachurch (a preacher, a music minister, a youth minister) who was a gay predator. Usually involved with non-prescription drugs. They’re disgusting, church-sactioned hypocrites and nothing more.

  9. ***** says

    Since when did the definition of “morally straight” mean heterosexual? Can only a heterosexual be “morally straight”? Are there no gay people that are “morally straight”? I think these people are forgetting about the morality component and are focusing on the straight component.

  10. Bill says

    There’s some equivocation going on here: his “argument” pretends that “morally straight” means “sexually straight”.

    His slippery slope argument is nonsense too – leaving it as local option simply recognizes that different groups have different “deeply held beliefs”.

    He also needs to join the real world. Nobody is required to give a charitable donation to any organization. Corporate America is threatening to pull the plug because those donations are made to provide good PR. He seems to think that “Freedom of Religion” requires everyone to go along with him. Quite the contrary – it is the freedom to ignore any religion that you do not want to be a part of as much as the freedom to join whichever one you like.

    This guy is a joke.

  11. Craig says

    Yep. You let one of those gay kids roast marshmellows on a stick in the boonies with the straight kids, and the whole galaxy is likely to get sucked into a black hole right then and there. I mean, no gay kid could EVER have been a scout, just like no gay people ever served in the military. We’ve got to protect the universe and stuff from this kind of thing, you know?

  12. Christophe says

    Slippery little devils these religious homophobes. They Deny, then they Attack, and Reverse the Victim and Oppressor. (“DARVO”) It’s very subtle and requires a courageous counter-argument: first they must be Shown, and then Exposed for lying about the LGBT Community. They must be held accountable for what they’re doing, because homophobia itself is the sickness, not LGBT people.

  13. andrew says

    Back in the 16th century the Roman Catholic Church, “the one true faith”, declared that Protestantism was destroying the “core convictions” of Christ’s Church. Yet that old Roman church is still alive and well despite the presence of all the “heretics” in our midst. Scouting will surely survive the presence of “out” gays in their organization.

  14. andrew says

    I am also reminded of the fact that back in 1948 when Truman ordered the racial integration of our military, most conservatives, southern Baptists in particular claimed that racial integration would destroy the military.

  15. Victor says

    What I want to know is why is this guy on CNN? He’s a hack that only religious extremist listen to anyway. On the other hand, the more he talks, the more people wake up to his particular brand of religious cancer.

  16. Bill says

    @Anthony: it is most likely not a done deal. The decision will probably boil down to which option has the worst impact on the bottom line. They know what Corporate America will do. They probably are still trying to figure out whether the religious nuts they have are bluffing, which they probably are – the nuts simply want to force their religious beliefs on everyone else.

    Richard Land should hang out with Mullah Omar – they have a lot in common if you ignore religious dogma.Maybe they can have pleasant afternoons sipping tea and talking about what a shame it is that the world has passed them by.

  17. Yeek says

    I have no problem with the concept of taking reasonable precautions to make sure no inappropriate relationships form. But that argument falls flat when you ban gay men from ALL positions, even administrative ones that don’t involve contact with kids, but you do allow women (Den mothers, etc.) to interact with Scouts and work for the organization. Clearly this is not about avoiding inappropriate contact – it’s about shunning.

    The Scouts themselves argued before the Supreme Court that the ban was NOT in place to prevent pedophilia, but to exclude a group they considered antithetical to their mission.

    The Scouts HAVE had predator counselors…who self-identified themselves as straight. That’s the thing we keep seeing over and over: the people porking the kids are almost never “out” gay men. It’s always creeps in the closet.

  18. JT says

    Richard Land is a Fu*tard. He equates “morally straight” as heterosexual.

    The scouts meaning of “morally straight” right out of their handbook is: “To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people. Be clean in your speech and actions, and remain faithful in your religious beliefs. The values you practice as a Scout will help you shape a life of virtue and self-reliance.”

    I doubt if Richard Land has read this. He twists things 300 degrees from the truth.

    Excerpted from page 45-46, Boy Scout Handbook, 11th ed,
    (#33105), copyright 1998 by BSA, ISBN 0-8395-3105-2
    and from page 420-421, Webelos Scout Book, 1998 edition,
    (#33108), copyright 1998 by BSA, ISBN 0-8395-3108-7

  19. jamal49 says

    I’m tired of this Baptist bovine bloviator deciding what is “moral” and being given a national platform to spew his lies.

    Mr. Land, discriminating against a group of people because of their humanity is immoral.

    Scouting will do just fine and even better if gay youth can participate.

    By the way, Mr. Land, I can tell you stories of when I was a boy and going to Baptist summer youth camps and the counselors who couldn’t keep their hands to themselves or their butts out of my bunk.

  20. Christian D1ck says

    Land is a bald-faced liar. He pretends to say that he’s not calling all homosexuals out-of-control predatory pedophiles, but then he goes and does exactly that.

    He also pretends that the same POTENTIAL for inappropriate behavior doesn’t exist in heterosexual church youth groups–the overnight lock-ins, the summer church camps, the youth mission trips. He would have you believe that as long as the youth ministers and group leaders and camp counselors and adult chaperones are heterosexual, nothing inappropriate or untoward can happen.

    I grew up in a Southern Baptist church, and was involved in all of the youth activities growing up, and I can tell you that in retrospect, there were both heterosexual men AND women, who were at times a little too friendly, and who became a little too involved with the kids they were in charge of. I will say that I don’t know firsthand of any inappropriate relationships, but there was definitely the potential for that to happen. And there was always some righteous, tight-a$$ed, pervy skeezer like Richard Land along for the ride.

    Frankly, I would much rather leave my son with an openly gay, out youth minister than some emotionally stunted, repressed, unhappily married nominally heterosexual youth minister.

  21. Jerry6 says

    I am 86 and was a scout as a youth. I cannot recall ever reading, or hearing, about any Gay Scoutmaster being charged with molesting the Scouts in his troop. I have never read of any parents complaining about Gay Scouts molesting other Scouts. At Summer camp, swimming was always naked, except for the Life Guards,and on Sunday when parents dropped off, or picked up, Scouts.

  22. Diogenes Arktos says

    C’mon guys, the molesters are not always closet cases. Let’s not give the Religious Right any support for their myth that any adult male who molests boy is gay.

  23. billmiller says

    I was in cub pack 227 in Philadelphia, and Boy scout pack 335 in Woodlyn, Pennsylvania. I was gay before I knew what gay was! I am 59 years of age now.

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