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  1. Rick says

    Uh-huh–and now the facts begin to emerge and we see that he is not a “poor, innocent victim”, the conclusion that so many of you jumped to, as you habitually do in such instances.

    HE started the violencem apparently, by assaulting a police officer…..and notice that he does not even seem to have a scratch on his face (pretty odd given that he supposedly had his head “smashed to the cement”)

    You all really need to be careful about overzealousness when it comes to such cases–it results in a loss of credibility when it comes to cases where there really is violence with homophobic motives behind it.

  2. Ken says

    It’s not clear to me if he took a swing at an officer or was pushing him or was struggling to regain his balance as he tried to get up. If he did attempt to punch the officer that changes things a little, but still no excuse for the police brutality which followed.

  3. Ken says

    The stupid Itunes commercial obscures a lot of the video. Why do they do that? Yes, I can x it out, but it takes time away from watching the video.

  4. RJ says

    Rick,

    Still, even after the situation was more or less contained and he was in hand cuffs, a police officer chose to spontaneously grab an unarmed, cuffed, skinny man in his undies by the throat and slam his head violently into the ground…

    You can also see a not so small amount of blood on the ground in the video and a bloody mess in his hair.

  5. Rick says

    “the police brutality which followed.”

    What brutality? He was not seriously injured in any way–as I just pointed out, he doesn’t even have a scratch on his face and did not require even the most minimal medical care.

    There is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary here–if you behave the way this guy did and do not cooperate when you are approached by a police officer, then you are going to bring a little rough handling on yourself–and that does not in any way constitute “brutality”.

  6. Ken says

    Rick, let’s grab you by the neck and throw your head onto concrete so that we see blood, and press our our boot into the back of your neck. “That’s not brutality” hahaha That little guy, already in handcuffs and surrounded by 5 or 6 officers, needed to have that done to him?

  7. Rick says

    “slam his head violently into the ground…”

    As I said, look at his face, the day after. Do you even see a scratch or a bruise on it? I don’t.

    “let’s grab you by the neck and throw your head onto concrete so that we see blood, and press our our boot into the back of your neck”

    If I was resisting arrest and had taken a swing at a police officer, that treatment would not be unjustified. In fact, it is pretty standard procedure (not the blood part, but again, I don’t see even a scratch or a bruise on his face in his interview appearance, so apparently no real damage was done to him).

  8. Pig says

    There are police like that one who is there to do as much damage as he can get away with. Jamie needs to sue him for all he can to set and example that police can not get away with harming defenseless people, no matter what. Anti-gay Christian police exist as we all know and they will harm people if given a chance and they do not want to be on camera or exposed for the crimes they do. Expose them and sue them to stop them from harming anybody else. Jamie needs to face the real world of what happened to him and make an example of the cop to stop police violence before it get worse. If you do not stop these people they will keep harming others they do not like. Somebody needs to stop people like this.

  9. HOCKEYJOCK says

    @ Donald and Rick : Maybe if I hadn’t seen several police situations in which massive force by multiple police officers was used in response to pitiful defensive force by a single unarmed victim, I would agree with you. But this light push / punch from a 130 pound boy, does not means his head should be slammed into the cement and stepped on with boots. Especially when he’s already handcuffed! It’s simply unnecessary. If I can handle my little brother easily with one arm, multiple trained police officers trained in combat should be able to handle this even smaller guy without using abusive force! Nope, sorry, a weak punch doesn’t justify that kind of beating.

    I think one problem, is on TV, police are shown to be ‘the good guys’. They are intelligent professionals. They inform criminal offenders of why they are being arrested. There’s a due process of law. The reality is sometimes very, very different. In my experience, police beat first, refuse to explain or listen, and then use the victim’s confusion and self-defense to justify abusive tactics.

    I’ve also had police call backup and stop me because I was jogging after dusk (how crazy, right?), and because I was harmlessly walking with minority friends (apparently that looks like criminal activity to them), multiple times. They ask to search us and our property (pretty sure they don’t have that right), and angrily tell us to not take pictures or ask their names because we feel they are stepping out of line ; and the best part is we are doing nothing illegal! True gems, they are…at least we didn’t get beaten.

  10. Liam says

    The video shows the kid was clearly resisting arrest. Not even close. And, we have no video of the boot on the neck. If the kid was still struggling, it’s not an unreasonable way of keeping an arrestee down so he doesn’t hurt himself or others. If you get busted, do what the cops tell you. Simple enough.

  11. Rick says

    “Anti-gay Christian police exist as we all know and they will harm people if given a chance and they do not want to be on camera or exposed for the crimes they do.”

    There is not a shred of evidence here to suggest that there were any homophobic motives at work on the part of the police officers involved. So your claim amounts to nothing but a fabrication…..which, again, costs us credibility when it comes to REAL cases of violence motivated by homophobia.

  12. Mikey says

    This isn’t really conclusive, as he’s already being man-handled when he takes a swing.

    That said, *never* take a swing at an officer. You’re just forfeiting any case you might have had.

  13. andrew says

    At the risk of offending the homo fascists who seem to dominate this site ( I actually like offending them) this seems to be much ado about nothing. Thousands of revelers seemed to enjoy the day, with police protection. This insident amounts to a whole lot of nothing.

  14. Liam says

    @Hockeyjock — go be a cop and come back to talk to me then. The kid refused to cooperate and was neutralized. Even if he’s little, if he’s resisting it takes some force to get him under control. The cops wrestled him down, but at no point did I see a punch thrown. Also, the boot is not on his neck, but on his back between the shoulder blades. Would you prefer they have tazed him? If you have a better idea on how to subdue someone in that situation, I’m happy to hear it.

  15. Hard Line says

    Please indicate on which video and at what time there is any evidence of anyone allegedly “taking a swing” at a police officer. … … … There is NONE. Instead you see clear evidence of over-reaction and brutality by the officers involved.

    Police officers who engage in this type of behavior should be summarily executed.

  16. RJ says

    Rick,

    There is the other video from yesterday. The young man was quiet, surrounded by four police officers, handcuffed with his hands behind his back, and simply took a step forward. Without warning or verbal instruction, an officer grabbed him by the throat, picked him up, and threw him into the ground. You could hear his head hitting the ground.

    This is police brutality. He was no longer a threat. He was already in handcuffs. He was surrounded by four officers. He was unarmed. He posed no flight risk or fight risk.

    Police brutality can’t be defined by how much physical harm the police do. They acted in a way that quite literally could have killed the young man.

  17. ratbastard says

    1) The cop threw him to the ground very hard, and yes, he could have been seriously injured, even killed. People die from banging their head the wrong way every day. Sometimes they don’t even know anything is wrong, go to sleep, and don’t wake up.

    He also was resisting and if he had just remained stationary and calm, none of this would have happened. Do police, especially when there are no crowds watching them and no cameras, assault and abuse suspects and people? Yes, sometimes this happens.

    2) There of course was more to this story, and things did happen prior to the the video clip. He did behave in a manner that legitimately attracted police attention. He did resist arrest, and the young woman he was with did escalate the situation by haranguing to police.

    I see no signs of him being beaten up. He has no injuries to his face, he probably has some light bruising here and there, and a gash on his head. He’s lucky his head banging on the sidewalk didn’t result in his death or spinal/neck damage.

    People need to control themselves, whether they be private citizens or police. Don’t go around ‘touching’ strangers, and be aware when you throw someone to the ground [or punch someone so they fall], they can be seriously injured, even killed. It’s not a non-lethal maneuver.

  18. Rick says

    I just hate these effeminate twink types because they’re stereotypical and then everyone thinks that all gay men are skinny effeminate twinks. And I hate that because fems and twinks are the reason I’m scared to tell people I’m gay and are the very cause of my own family wishing I’d never been born.

  19. Derrick from Philly says

    “It’s a hell of a day on Towleroad when Rick owns all of you”

    It aint over yet. It’s only 12:00noon.

    The boy did not deserve to be treated that way. And it happens too often. But now you can catch it on video. Thank God.

  20. andrew says

    Unfortunately Little Kiwi and his aliases and sycophants undermine this site by posting things in the names of people that they disagree with . He is a malevolent presence on this site.

  21. ratbastard says

    Clearly lil’Phukface has no sympathy whatsoever for those of us whose fathers were killed due to damage from riding and/or choking on black penises.

  22. ratbastard says

    ‘Stop it, Little Kiwi. What you engage in when you troll is called ‘projecting’.

    Well that came out effed up. WHEN YOU TROLL, LITTLE KIWI, YOU’RE PROJECTING.

  23. beef and fur says

    Derek From Philly…you are just as bad. If Rick is the Mayor of Crazy Town then you are on City Council of The Island of Misfit toys.

    You and all the other Heathers in the group of malcontents ruined this blog. You should just stay on Joemygod with all the other nuts. They ruined that blog too.

  24. ratbastard says

    Clearly lil’Phukface has no sympathy whatsoever for those of us whose fathers were killed due to damage from riding and/or choking on black penises.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Mar 6, 2013 12:07:05 PM

    No, I of course didn’t post this. And the guy who did obviously has SERIOUS psychological issues to deal with.

  25. Rick says

    I think it’s incredibly obvious that feminists are to blame for all of this. Also, Lady Gaga.

    Hey ratbastard, ignore that pathetic little trolling fem. You and I are clearly the smartest guys here. We should hang out sometime. Maybe make a suicide pact.

  26. Derrick from Philly says

    ‘You and all the other Heathers in the group of malcontents ruined this blog.”

    Heathers? As in, “Heathcliff, take me to the heather”? What the f.ck are you trying to say?

  27. Mike says

    This is a classic case where the “victim” refused to obey police orders to get on the ground. The “victim” thinks that as long as he isn’t assaulting the officer, then he is entitled to disregard the order, try to get up and stage a debate and that the police are not entitled to use force. The reality is that the police officer needs to have control over the situation. He isn’t there to debate. If he says get on the ground, you get on the ground and save the debate for later. If you don’t obey the order, he is going to get you on the ground.

    Clearly this is a drunk moron who is portraying himself as a martyr. No sympathy.

  28. andrew says

    @Ratbastard: As one who regularly reads the posts on this site, I know who it is that posts silly/contradictory/vile type things in the names of people he disagrees with: It is the malevolent Little Kiwi. He is the Bill O”rielly/Donald Trump of the left. He is an authoritarian who cannont tolerate dissent. He attacks those he disagrees with in order to silence them. He is an authoritarian bully. By the way this criticism of the homo fascist Little Kiwi comes from a life long liberal democrat who actually believes in freedom of speech and an open an honest discussion of the issues of the day.

  29. Axelrod says

    Gee I guess Rick has some sort of medical background. I can name three possible serious injuries this kid can have, concussion, whiplash and spinal injury. As for your own sad pathetic self loathing, why not go try and pray your gay away. Or better yet, just go away.

  30. Lucas H says

    That video was so disturbing.

    In the interview he seems like he just wants everything to go away, but the cops responsible really should pay for what they did. Too bad that nothing is likely to happen to them.

  31. Peter M. says

    @Rick If you consider slamming a handcuffed, defenceless teenage boy’s head into the pavement “standard procedure” (for using offensive language), then I don’t want to know what you would consider police brutality.

    “he doesn’t even have a scratch on his face”, so what? He could have had a brain hemorrhage or a skull fracture as a result of this brute’s idea of a “standard procedure”.

  32. beef and fur says

    What’s even funnier than Rick(s), Derek, Kiwi, Rat and the other residents of the Island of Misfit Toys fighting and clawing at each other are the random fawns like Dear Peter M. who post some wide eyed naive comment responding to one of their posts.

  33. HOCKEYJOCK says

    @ LIam – go get abused by a police officer, then talk to me then. I’m sure you’ll say ‘Oh well, I guess he did slam my head on the ground until my teeth broke for asking why I was being arrested, but it’s no big deal!’. Another factor is police seem to hate being talked to. Personally, I don’t find yelling from pain to be a reason to further beat someone or consider it ‘resisting arrest’ when they’re already lying on the ground handcuffed – but I’ve seen cops beat someone for not being quiet, telling them to stop yelling. This makes me wonder how Westboro Baptist Church gets away with yelling without also being beaten to a pulp despite yelling for hours on end? FYI, I have two cop friends and one who was training to be. They in particular, I haven’t seen abuse their power, but others I have, and I find it unacceptable. I’m sure if you actually witnessed that, you would too. I don’t agree that cops get a free pass to to absolutely anything they want and use any means necessary, that’s just my opinion. With someone with a knife, sure. With someone already handcuffed on the ground, no. I’ve heard police officers say they should be able to, but I disagree.

  34. Fensox says

    Ugh, you guys, Rick is a troll but troll is just the “other team”, if you were to imagine that this comment thread was a sports game. you are all trolls to the other side. It’s a GAME. One that you just lost to RICK. Come on people, get your heads in this, Rick is beating you…

  35. beef and fur says

    Don’t worry Fensox, soon Derek from Philly will be along to give all of us our LGBTQ approved and sanctioned talking points to all of this. Of course, it just takes her awhile to edit her 4 page comment to 1 paragraph, spell check and cite her sources.

  36. Nick says

    It seems to me that there is right and wrong on both sides of the argument here. However, as public servants the Police are there to prevent and detect crime. They are given the right to use force proportionate to the exercise of those duties.

    From the evidence of the video it would appear that a couple of them deployed a level of force that was disproportionate to the threat they faced and that they soon realised that the film would show that, hence their repeated insinuation thet there was some legal reason that filming should cease.

    Had they quickly put the man in a sitting position and made at least a cursory check on his condition much of the tension would have been diffused sooner. You can see other officers checking his condition later and this is, I believe an indication that they were aware that the behaviour of the arresting officers had been too aggressive.

    It is all about choices. the guy under arrest chose to drink and chose to ignore a police order/request. Likewise the Police officers chose to use a certain level of force and given the level of reaction this has been widely judged as disproportionate both to the incident and the threat they faced when dealing with the perpetrator.

    An effective police officer would have judged that the guy could be far more easily contained and would also have been aware that such a public arrest in a location with many affected by alcohol would perhaps cause a greater problem than the original offence.

    An effective Police officer would not allow themselves to be moved to a disproportionate course of action by the person they are arresting and certainly would not compound that by trying to suggest that filming was somehow against the law. Much of this could have easily been diffused if they had picked the guy up and focussed their attention on him rather than trying to keep face and getting into slanging matches with bystanders.

  37. says

    *elegant curtsy*

    there’s still much need, in every city, in every country, for specific sensitivity training for police officers.

    there is a marked difference between a public servant with a badge, and someone who needs their “Badge” to feel superior. not serving. not protecting. just feeling like a tough guy.

    toronto’s G20 police response is a perfect illustration of this. what happened? a few insult-to-their-profession police officers acted out of nothing but insecure fury that they were not scaring away folks who were utterly protesting peacefully.

    folks – film everything. you’re allowed to.

    nothing about this should have resulted in the excessive force used. and no, it doesn’t seem the police had any justified use. if they had, they’d not oppose the filming.

  38. Bill says

    @Peter M: it is interesting that some of these guys are saying that he doesn’t have a scratch on his face when he might have hit the back of his head, which would not be seen in an interview.

  39. says

    you have to wonder how many of these incidents could have been easily solved by police officers clearly explaining what they’re arresting folks for.

    and, i’m sorry, but we gays have a LOOOOONG history with police.

    i, and i’m sure many others, have witnessed excessive force – TRULY excessive force – from individual officers whose excessive force comes from a place of anger that whomever they’re “subduing”, for whatever reasons (that they’re not explaining) isn’t lying there and taking it.

  40. Rick says

    “What’s even funnier than Rick(s), Derek, Kiwi, Rat and the other residents of the Island of Misfit Toys fighting and clawing at each other are the random fawns like Dear Peter M. who post some wide eyed naive comment responding to one of their posts”

    What’s funnier still (and incredibly ironic) is a gay man referring to other gay men as “Misfit Toys”…..especially one whose entire contribution to the discussion consists of criticizing others.

    Yes, comically ironic.

  41. beef and fur says

    Oh Rick, you can’t be the victim now. You have to get unjustly beaten first then you can be the victim. Of course, there’s never a rouge cop around when you need one…

  42. Derrick from Philly says

    @beef and fur “…soon Derek from Philly will be along to give all of us our LGBTQ approved and sanctioned talking points to all of this.”

    I’ll give you points for obscurity today.

  43. Amber says

    Look there was No need for him to be Slammed into the Pavement with such excessive force. But the most Disturbing part he’s handcuffed and obviously can’t break his fall so has the fall impact.

    But There is another video where he’s not so called wrestling he actually goes in for the swing at officers. But insaying that the Officer No Doubt was a Tank!! And the Kid built like a Twig and I think it’s a case where he’s “Underestimated his own strength” and literally Layed the kid out.

    You can see the Officers genuinely going to his aid and all the officers I think where taken back by what just accrued. You see them standing around like Stund mullets.

  44. Rick says

    “@beef and fur “…soon Derek from Philly will be along to give all of us our LGBTQ approved and sanctioned talking points to all of this.”

    I’ll give you points for obscurity today.”

    He’s not being obscure, Derrick, he is just plain mischaracterizing you. We all know that your actual role is to give all of us our Eternally Angry Black Drag Queen approved and sanctioned talking points in every thread. He should know better.

  45. Derrick from Philly says

    “We all know that your actual role is to give all of us our Eternally Angry Black Drag Queen approved and sanctioned talking points in every thread. He should know better.”

    Well, he doesn’t, and neither do you. He called me a Heather. The Heathers maybe be angry, but they’re not Black Drag Queens. Not enough style.

    …had me wasting my time googling some forgotten 1988 movie title. “Heathers”– my ANGRY BLACK DRAG QUEEN BEAUTIFUL AZZ.

  46. Carl says

    Did the cops take it too far, yes. But that’s what you get when you’re a belligerent drunk who resists arrest for assaulting someone.

    This guy said he didn’t consider what he did was assault. Ignorance has never been a defense. Anytime you put your hands on a person who did not solicit you putting your hand on them can be considered assault.

  47. beef and fur says

    For Christ sakes Derek, I knew you were an Angry Black Queen. EVERYONE whose been online since 1997 knows that. I just thought it would be needlessly rude to point it out especially when I don’t think you’re a tiresome boor because of that. I think you’re just a tiresome boor in general.

    You had to Google “Heathers”. OMG. Not another Queen who doesn’t know the basics of the Gay Cannon? Turn in your card, dear. You need some CE hours. (I’ll wait here while you Google that) You’re just as bad as those girls on RPDR who didn’t know who Little Edie was.

    You’re like those quaint Nuns in the blue robes who accost people at airports. (another Google break for Dear Derek) except that people actually feel good when they tell you to STFU.

  48. Rick says

    “You had to Google “Heathers”. OMG. Not another Queen who doesn’t know the basics of the Gay Cannon? Turn in your card, dear. You need some CE hours. (I’ll wait here while you Google that) You’re just as bad as those girls on RPDR who didn’t know who Little Edie was.”

    Undoubtedly, noone in the social mainstream would consider the person who posted this to be, in any way, a “Misifit Toy”.(LOL)

  49. beef and fur says

    It’s odd talking to the “sane” Rick. I’m so used to the “psycho killer” one. But anyway, keep playing. You don’t have enough quarters, but go ahead anyway.

  50. simon says

    Rick. Are your serious? No scratch doesn’t mean he did not suffer any concussion in the head. He may not have any problem. But slamming anyone like that on the ground can potentially do serious damage.

  51. GregII says

    I started reading the commentary here and had to stop because of Rick. His comments were just getting me agnry again. Mate,you know didelly squat.
    The fact is a very simple one – police in this country (Oz) have what is called a “duty of Care’ to those people that they arrest. This is a very simple case. Irrespective of what happened before, the single fact that this particular officer violently threw an arrested person to the ground, whilst he was already adequately restrained, is in and of itself, an offense. The reason some of us over here are throwing the ‘homophobia’ thing around is not so much because of the initial action, but more on the lack of any action being taken by the NSW Police. In any other circumstances, given such blatant and observable breaches of conduct, an officer who behaved in such a manner would have been suspended until the matter could be investigated. They have taken no action – although have said they will hold an inquiry (which means white-wash, as anyone who lives in Sydney will tell you). There is a history of the NSW police being thugs, bullies and violent (just ask any Aboriginal if you don’t believe us gay folk). The lack of action by the police hierarchy is what is the real nub of the issue here.

  52. RedOnTheGreg says

    Rick, you are a disgusting human being. I knew before I even scrolled down to the comments that you’d be here trolling and siding with the police officer who committed the assault. And of course you just couldn’t help but homophobic remarks about how the victim doesn’t fit into your narrow view of masculinity. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if you yourself aren’t a gay basher in real life.

  53. Bill says

    The so-called “swing” he took at a police officer looked in the video more like merely flailing his arms around while lying on the ground. It was probably a reaction to being scared.

  54. Donald says

    @Hockeyjock…the kid brought the attention of the police on himself by touching a female stranger, half undressed, in an enormous crowd a large percentage of were probably drinking or drunk or whatever else people do at this event. So this half naked kid, after randomly touching strangers gets questioned by the cops and he’s probably blowing it off and the police get aggressive. I can’t blame the police at all. Did they get too rough, in hindsight, yeah probably. But we don’t know what the girl that he “tickled on the back” might have said to the police, she hasn’t appeared or made statements. We don’t know how many people the police saw this kid touch or if the kid mouthed off to the cops. All we see is a small snippet of a video.

  55. Tristram says

    Watch the whole video. These police certainly think they are above the law, which they broke.

    RICK: Get over yourself. There are effeminate boy as much as there are emasculate women. No one wants to hear about your personal hang ups anymore.

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