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Nobel Peace Prize Winner Lech Walesa Wants Gays 'Behind A Wall'

LechWalesaHas Lech Walesa completely tarnished his image as a peacemaker?

Walesa, the union organizer who became Poland's first democratic president in 1989, shocked fans and foes alike by saying last week that gay people should basically stop trying to be involved in the democratic process and go back to the proverbial kitchen, or, to be more precise, "behind a wall," especially in Parliament, because "a minority should not impose itself on the majority."

From ABC News:

Walesa said in a television interview on Friday that he believes gays have no right to sit on the front benches in Parliament and, if represented at all, should sit in the back, "and even behind a wall."

"They have to know that they are a minority and must adjust to smaller things. And not rise to the greatest heights, the greatest hours, the greatest provocations, spoiling things for the others and taking (what they want) from the majority," he told the private broadcaster TVN during a discussion of gay rights.

"I don't agree to this and I will never agree to it."

"A minority should not impose itself on the majority," Walesa said.

Obviously many people are outraged over the Nobel Peace prize winner's remarks, but the most concise criticism may come from liberal Polish politician Jerzy Wenderlich, "It was the statement of a troglodyte."

"From a human point of view his language was appalling," Wenderlich said of the devote Catholic's comments. "Now nobody in their right mind will invite Lech Walesa as a moral authority, knowing what he said."

But most people also know that Walesa's labor past doesn't mean he's progressive. He did, after all, supported Mitt Romney during the last election, and was pretty chummy with Ronald Reagan, who was of course no friend of friends of Dorothy.

(Image via Christofer C. Dierdorff.)

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  1. What do you expect of Catholic Polaks ?

    How is this news ?

    Poland has always been a craphole.

    Look at how the Polish have dealt with their past role in the systemic elimination of Jews from their country.

    Posted by: TheGay | Mar 3, 2013 10:43:34 AM

  2. Eastern Europe is a backward place still, in many ways, compared to western Europe and North America. Communism and Marxism and before that reactionary totalitarianism did a number on these societies that will take a long time to fix. They were not able to evolve in a healthy way as was the case in western Europe and N. America [and parts S. America, Australia, N.Z.,etc.].

    Posted by: ratbastard | Mar 3, 2013 10:50:42 AM

  3. Thanks jack. According to dobbs' "down with big brother", he was such an activist that he wasnt much of a father to his five impoverished kids, and a crappy husband

    Posted by: rick scatorum | Mar 3, 2013 11:00:05 AM

  4. @THEGAY,

    You do know the Nazis killed many more non-Jews than Jews, don't you? As regards to Poland, the German Nazis didn't discriminate between Jew and non-Jew, they had contempt for all 'inferior' Slavs, showing only empathy for infants and young children who looked 'Aryan'. Then the communists effed them over in brutal fashion for many generations. Even in the 21st century, it's believed by many that the Russian government caused the plane crash that killed basically the entire Polish government.

    It is commonly believed in eastern Europe that Marxism/communism is a Jewish-based ideology due to the fact it's creator and early leaders were Jewish. This is a big part of the basis for antisemitism there. Please, I'm not condoning hate and antisemitism, just trying to explain the thought process of many people on the ground in places like eastern Europe.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Mar 3, 2013 11:01:30 AM

  5. I wonder how many of you folks mouthing off about Poland have ever been there.

    The current Parliament includes one out gay man, Robert Biedron, and a transsexual, Anna Grodska.

    It was a Pole who called him a troglodyte. Many modern Poles would agree.

    Posted by: KevinVt | Mar 3, 2013 11:06:21 AM

  6. He'll be dead one day (hopefully a long, drawn-out painful affair) and the world will be better off.

    Posted by: Tothepoint | Mar 3, 2013 11:06:43 AM

  7. "As regards to Poland, the German Nazis didn't discriminate between Jew and non-Jew"

    Ever hear of the Warsaw Ghetto? How about any other Jewish ghettos across Nazi occupied Europe?

    Posted by: Acronym Jim | Mar 3, 2013 11:17:45 AM

  8. Though to be admired always for what he once did, Walesa is gravely, sadly wrong and it is quite alright that he be left out and alone in his troglyodites cave for the rest of his life. The lock has turned.

    Posted by: UFFDA | Mar 3, 2013 11:54:35 AM

  9. He looks like a gin drunk

    Posted by: oliver | Mar 3, 2013 12:00:49 PM

  10. RATB - that was very interesting, unheard of by me. Can you quote some sources please?

    Posted by: UFFDA | Mar 3, 2013 12:03:31 PM

  11. Lech Walesa is well known for his positions against Gays and Jewish, in the past he had also some appalling language against black students in Poland. He got his Nobel prize for his opposition to Communism and not for his opinions close to the anti semitic sectors of the Polish Catholic church.

    Posted by: Lukebrux | Mar 3, 2013 12:11:37 PM

  12. Of course, Lech Walesa, a Polish Roman Catholic, is an a**hole.

    The Germans built them some much nicer factories now, but the uncompromising backwardness of Eastern Europe compounded by decades of Soviet domination, is not going to lead to progressive thinking coming from this has been shipyard electrician.

    The typos and poor writing of this post are so disheartening - "friends of Dorothy"? really? why go to that trouble? Is it worth explaining to people under 50 that Judie Garland was a gay icon and Judy Garland played Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz in 1939, so when you say "friend of Dorothy" it is code for gay people. who still uses that expression? Maybe it's a revival.

    Weekend at Towleroad is like when you let your little brother in High School take over the shop.

    Nothing personal.

    Posted by: Fahd | Mar 3, 2013 12:42:31 PM

  13. Just substitute "Jews" for "Gays" and you understand why the majority of Poles cooperated so fully with the Nazis. It wasn't an accident that you had the Warsaw ghetto.

    BTW - as to the Polish Catholic church. When the old Polish communist secret police archives were opened, they found that somewhere between 30% and 50% of Polish priests were happy informants to the communist regime. As usual, the Catholic Church was more interested in power than in saving souls.

    Posted by: Continuum | Mar 3, 2013 1:04:16 PM

  14. Hard to believe that someone from Poland should forget the lessons of WWII. Perhaps he doesn't remember the Ghettos and the pogroms and the millions killed by Hitler and Stalin all in the name of the "majority". Perhaps he is the holy one whos family escaped from the carnage and he never lost anyone to vile prejudice. It doesn't MATTER if he is of a different generation. He can change, he is a human, after all, and not some animal. Even though in this instance he is acting like one.

    Posted by: Gordon | Mar 3, 2013 2:02:43 PM

  15. Walesa has always been anti-Gay. Nothing new or remarkable here.

    Unlike his detractors, he's actually a stated a principle. Sadly, no one seems inclined to refute his general argument about the place of minorities in society. Calling him a "troglodyte" and other ad hominem attacks may be emotionally satisfying, but proves nothing.

    Screaming "You're a poo poo head!" has no place in the public sphere. In this case, it's worse than unproductive - it implies loathing for the man rather than opposition to his ideas. His argument has holes any smart high school student could drive a truck through. Pity no one can be bothered to counter it.

    Posted by: Bryan | Mar 3, 2013 2:24:09 PM

  16. The "sources" can be found up Ratbastard's ass.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Mar 3, 2013 2:39:40 PM

  17. A great example of someone that was abused (in his case by the communists)turning into an abuser. Israels treatment of the Palestinians is another example.

    Posted by: Dearcomrade | Mar 3, 2013 3:22:17 PM

  18. @Thegay: You prove by your words that you are a bigot.

    Posted by: andrew | Mar 3, 2013 4:06:16 PM

  19. "A minority should not impose itself on the majority."

    Okay, how did this bastard win a Nobel Peace Prize? Don't they screen for that s***? Anyway, his NPP should definitely be rescinded now. I mean if he doesn't want the minority "oppressing" the majority with their quaint little concerns of, you know being beat to death and denied housing and jobs, then does he still think them dirty ole negroes should be out plowing the field out of his sparkl6 nice white society? /sarcasm

    Also his firt name is spot on. B*** couldn't be a bigger Lech if he tried.

    Posted by: ble.d_out.color | Mar 3, 2013 4:23:54 PM

  20. Those who posted about the backwardness of Eastern Europe, as if it is a monolithic entity, should visit The Czech Republic.

    Posted by: andrew | Mar 3, 2013 4:24:14 PM

  21. Walesa is a simpleton. Every identity group is a minority, except possibly "Women." No majority is an identity group. It's a group that shares a common creed of justice. Whatever creed wins more than half the minds is the majority creed. If the majority recognizes our rights, it isn't because we've twisted some concession out of them. It's because that's what justice means to most people, regardless of how anyone self identifies, let alone how Walesa chooses to identify them.

    Posted by: JJ | Mar 3, 2013 4:26:17 PM

  22. A basically uneducated dock worker schlub, who had some leadership skills to overthrow a tyrannic regime -- doesn't make him a saint. Back in 2006 he was against the dictatorial twins who ran Poland and he outed the Prime Minister as that's where I'm thinking his thought processes come from; Not from education but his experience with a dictatorial, evil gay. You know like we have here with Tom Delay, Lindsey Graham or Miz Bachmann

    Posted by: woodroad34d | Mar 3, 2013 5:36:16 PM

  23. Well EHRENSTEIN, what an intemperate thing to say! Since a close inspection of Mr. RATB's ass is beyond my interest (ahem, entry) level perhaps you could be just a little more helpful in the matter of his factual veracity.

    As, to me, the single most horrific event in the course of human history, I am very interested in every truth about the Holocaust.

    Posted by: UFFDA | Mar 3, 2013 6:37:20 PM

  24. The street named after him in a San Francisco alley near the Civic Center MUST be re-named ASAP.

    Alas, Poland, Russia and other eastern bloc nations always need a scapegoat (or two) in order to blame for their wretched lives. Jews always foot the bill until they helped the Nazis kill most of them. Gypsies, Poles (for the Russians) and more have always been targets. Today, it's gays. Sadly, many immigrants from russia, Poland, etc. bring their anti-gay attitudes to the US and are often the sheep for crazed religious leaders that campaign against gays. Sacramento is a big hotbed of russian baptists who bus loads of people to SF and spew vile whacked out hate against gays.

    Posted by: William | Mar 3, 2013 7:18:06 PM

  25. Charles Lindberg, Edward and Wallis Simpson were romantic/heroic icons who were also devout anti-semites. You can't win 'em all, I guess.

    Posted by: Manny Espinola | Mar 3, 2013 8:47:26 PM

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