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Prop 8: Assorted Updates

Canseco

Former MLB player Jose Canseco is on board with marriage equality.

Among the rallies held this week for marriage equality were well-attended demonstrations in San Francisco (video) and Salt Lake City.

AravosisJohn Aravosis has a photo essay of the rally outside the Supreme Court today.

Andrew Sullivan analyzes the Prop 8 arguments: "My sense is that SCOTUS will try to find a way to rule in as narrow a way as possible – but I have no idea what form that could take. Which suits me just fine. Either Prop 8 falls and its implications do not extend beyond that state, or SCOTUS narrowly upholds Prop 8, and Californian voters get to vote again soon. For my part, I’d like to win this in the most enduringly legitimate way – in the democratic process, where we are winning more quickly than some of us ever dreamed of."

NOM’s marriage march: Nakedly faith-driven, aggressive against gay parents, boring as all get-out.

Some key quotes from Tuesday's Prop. 8 hearing: "Suppose a state said that, Because we think that the focus of marriage really should be on procreation, we are not going to give marriage licenses anymore to any couple where both people are over the age of 55. Would that be constitutional?"

Robin Tyler is angry about the SCOTUS Prop 8 hearing: "I was told to put a good spin on what happened. But I’m not going to do that. I felt like I was sitting in some Medieval court. I was counting how many Catholic Justices there were. I believe the public is far ahead of the Supreme Court on this issue. I’m angry. I felt like a second class citizen. I felt that some of the questions by the Justices were degrading. How dare they sit in front of a room of such accomplished LGBT people and refer to us like this was all something new! And when Scalia asked, ‘Where in the Constitution is there discrimination against gay people?’ I mean – women are not in the Constitution, either, but there’s implied discrimination. Some of their questions were demeaning and insulting to the audience – and the court was filled with people they were talking about! I just hope they do the right thing."

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  1. Sullivan's statement that he would prefer to win marriage rights at the ballot box is dangerous. I like Sullivan, but the civil rights of a minority should never be up to a majority vote. Acceptance of a minority by the majority seems more important to Sullivan than the rights of that minority. I pity him for that.

    Posted by: matt | Mar 26, 2013 9:05:15 PM


  2. matt...but he got you talking about him, which has always been his modus operandi

    Posted by: EchtKultig | Mar 26, 2013 9:31:08 PM


  3. Get ready for the new "wrong side of history" Sullivan is buying into the "new Gay acceptance" illusion. It's in his mind and not at the voting booth. Throw water on the fire. It will be time for a new gay way of life.

    Posted by: Reality | Mar 26, 2013 9:47:47 PM


  4. Sullivan: "I’d like to win this in the most enduringly legitimate way"

    You mean like how the Prop 8 proponents won in the most enduringly legitimate way, and may see that undone in an upcoming election?

    That enduring way?

    Not smart.

    Posted by: Randy | Mar 26, 2013 9:49:50 PM


  5. Hey Sullivan - how have we gone from 70-30 against marriage equality in 2009 to 55-45 in favor today? You really think it is that step-by-step incrementalism you are spouting off?

    The debate is being vetted and heard by lower courts. Its the debate in the courts and the reporting on that debate that is moving public opinion.

    So...what...do we keep pressing this in the lower courts and give up before going to the Supreme Court? Or are you saying we should stop fighting this in courts all together? Lets just wait until the nice majority says they aren't quite as grossed out about us any longer?

    Sorry, Mr. I-got-mine-you-can-wait-for-yours! Conservative nozzle! Private secondary education, Oxford, Harvard: I don't care that you are an elite, but it bothers the hell out of me that you have the bill of fare to proclaim all gay people who are not you need to wait. Luckily, your marriage is not dependent on basic needs that for many marriage can bring to a couple: Financial stability, home, health, security.

    I am beginning to think the very definition of conservative = one lacking in empathy.

    Posted by: Jay | Mar 26, 2013 10:23:08 PM


  6. I agree with Tyler and am extremely pissed Scalia got away with that blatant badgering. Why was that an even an issue?

    Posted by: indorri | Mar 26, 2013 10:23:50 PM


  7. Is there a possibility that SCOTUS will come to a ruling that Prop 8 is upheld, and that people must return to the ballet box and fight for the right to restore marriage equality? Can that happend??

    Posted by: nn | Mar 26, 2013 10:35:49 PM


  8. I was a friend of Elaines. Elaine Noble becomes the first openly gay person elected to public office in the U.S. She serves in the Massachusetts house of representatives from 1975 to 1979.

    Posted by: GB | Mar 26, 2013 11:23:27 PM


  9. If the Court does nothing will there be no federal benefits for existing married gays? Will the marriages be legitimate? without federal acknowledgement?

    Posted by: TIm | Mar 26, 2013 11:27:46 PM


  10. Sure, everyone loves to follow Jose Canseco and his crazy tweets, but my tweet of the day goes to Glenn Danzig.

    https://twitter.com/DANZlG/status/316730391887228931

    Posted by: Nick | Mar 26, 2013 11:47:50 PM


  11. I agree with robin. The equal protection clause says that no state shall apply the law differently to any person. I guess we're not persons....

    Posted by: rick scatorum | Mar 27, 2013 4:06:23 AM


  12. Not surprised if prop 8 is decided narrowly. Much more hopeful about doma decision. Federal recognition includes social security benefits and no federal taxes on health insurance thru spouse

    Posted by: rick scatorum | Mar 27, 2013 4:13:12 AM


  13. So Andrew Sullivan would like to win this "in the democratic process". The judicial system is part of the democratic process. Politicians have so dissed this essential element of our governmental checks and balances that even the citizenry is starting to believe that they lie outside of our democratic system. Yikes!

    Posted by: Mitch | Mar 27, 2013 4:04:31 PM


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