1. SFshawn says

    Karma baby!
    Coincidence or divine intervention?
    As the church lady from SNL used to say…how convenient! or how
    Those sneaky priests.
    Just doing what Gawd desires I guess. :)

  2. Bill says

    @andrew: Regardless of how some prelate feels, according to the Bible, Jesus would feel quite at home there.

    Matthew 11:19
    The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.

    They wouldn’t have said that if Jesus, real or imagined, did not like to have a good time on occasion, and “sinners” in particular don’t hang out with people who say nothing but “repent, for the end is near.” The best excuse the bible thumpers can use is that Jesus had to do some sampling so he’d know what he was saving people from.

  3. Fix It Again Tony says

    Why does this sound like a comedy? Something on the order of “The Ritz” (1976) meets “La cage aux folles” (1978).

    ♪♫”Vespucci, I just met a boy named Vespucci…” Hmmm. I guess we’ll have to change the lyrics to ♪♫”Cardinal, I just met a boy with a Cardinal….”

  4. ger says

    @Bill – I think you mis-read Andrew’s comment. It’s not the location of the apartment nor the people in the neighbourhood, it’s the palatial size of it that’s the problem. These Vatican types aren’t much for giving all to feed the poor.

  5. andrew says

    @Bill: “Sell all that you have, give it to the poor and come follow me”. You can find support for almost any position you want in that mythological collection of horrors and contradictions called the “good” book.

  6. Bill says

    @andrew: there’s one woman who made the news by giving up a lot of wealth to the poor and then became a nun. has the details. In another similar case, they canonized the woman: .

    So, they are perfectly happy with people giving all they have to the poor – others, that is.

    The 12 room apartment of the guy mentioned is possibly used for a lot of work-related activities. Don’t assume he has 12 rooms for his personal, private use.

  7. walter says

    tell me didn’t do it on purpose . he doesn’t have to walk so far to find a date. anyone want to bet that on any given night there are priest kneeling and hearing confessions

  8. Dan E says

    I’ve been there before. It’s actually a pretty awesome sauna full of hot Italian men.

    I’m unaware of having seen any priests there, however :-)

  9. andrew says

    @Bill: The 12 room apartment is probably used for his personal luxuries living. These guys aren’t called “Princes Of The Church” for no reason. You can be sure that most of the Catholic Hierarchy, at least those in the wealthier nations live like fat cats in Mansions and even Palaces.

  10. Icebloo says

    This is not a mistake. They knew what they were doing. They just thought we wouldn’t find out about it.

    In the past ten years the Catholic Church has TWICE been discovered to be investing in companies which make contraceptives.

    Religion is ALL ABOUT MONEY people ! Nothing else. They soon forget their public principles when they can make money in private.

  11. andrew says

    @Bob: Most Cardinals, like the majority of Catholic Priests are Secular or Diocesan Priests and do not take a vow of poverty. Religious Order Priests, Nuns and Brothers take a vow of poverty. That is not meant as a defense of the luxurious life style that many if not most of the Catholic Hierarchy live. They should live much simpler lives if they are pretending to be followers of Christ. And they might remember his admonition that “It is easier for a camel to pass though the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven”.

  12. Bill says

    @andrew: The Dali Llama lived in a huge palace while in Tibet, but actually used a small room as his living quarters. The rest was used for religious/governmental purposes.

    I bet there is a similar arrangement, with rooms set up for meetings, a library with gobs of documents, a private office, some rooms used by
    his staff, etc. It is probably a 24/7 job.

  13. timothy R says

    I went to this sauna too many times to mention. no vatican connection ever visible or imaginable, believe me. the normal amount of priests trying to get it on the down low in rome without telling anyone they were priests until at least the second date is much lower at this sauna than at others, like the one way out at sesto miglio or various bars.

    anyway, the situation i spoke of above has happened to every gay man i know in rome.

    but that sauna had no noticeable priest action ever beyond the normal at all.

  14. Bill says

    @andrew – just some details as to why he might legitimately need 12 rooms. Here’s a possible breakdown:

    1. a bedroom
    2. a private bathroom
    3 a second bathroom for visitors
    4. a third bathroom in case there are a lot of visitors
    5. a living room.
    6. a kitchen
    7. a dining room.
    8. a private office and library
    9. an office for a secretary/aide.
    11. the north parlor
    12. the south parlor
    (he needs two parlors because it is hard to talk out of both sides of your mouth when everyone is in the same room, so you sometimes want to keep groups of visitors separated).

  15. andrew says

    @Bill:. Does the Dalai Llama have a Summer Palace like Castel Gondalpho in the Alban Hills outside Rome to escape the heat of summer? If you don’t know that most of the Catholic Hierarchy in the Western world live in fine homes/mansions/palaces, eat the best foods, drink fine wines and have staffs to cater to their every need, you don’t know much about those fat cats.

  16. andrew says

    @Bill: I apologize, I wasn’t getting your sarcasm. I thought you were actually defending the rich pampered life style of most of the Catholic Hierarchy.

  17. Bill says

    @andrew – glad you realized I wasn’t really defending them but just pointing out that being a
    “prince” who actually runs things is a more than a full time job. Like a rock star, these guys probably have an entourage. You’d almost think that, when cardinals talk to each other, they say, “why don’t my people talk to your people?” like Hollywood royalty is supposed to.

    BTW, according to “Starting with the 5th Dalai Lama and until the 14th Dalai Lama’s flight into exile during 1959, the Dalai Lamas spent winters at the Potala Palace and summers at the Norbulingka palace and park. Both are in Lhasa and approximately 3 km apart.” Guess having a summer palace goes with the territory. Being the top guy in a religion has a lot of perks.

  18. Squeak says

    Usual unreliable media mixture of hype and speculation and invention,close to lies, and which Towleroad just swallows willy-nilly. Firstly the Europa MC is not Europe’s biggest gay sauna and secondly, a quick check on a map will show you the relative locations of Via Carducci 2 and Via Aureliana 40 which is the Club address.

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