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Suze Orman Destroys Conservative 'Scholar' on Marriage Equality: VIDEO

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Didn't have a chance to post this yesterday but it's a must-watch clip.

Heritage Foundation Scholar Ryan Anderson has been making the rounds on media to tout "traditional marriage". The other day I posted a clip in which Anderson was blasted by Don Lemon, who called Anderson's assertions that same-sex marriage is not illegal "absurd."

Tuesday night Anderson appeared on CNN with Piers Morgan and insulted Suze Orman's relationship to her face during a discussion about marriage equality and the Supreme Court.

Anderson complained that SCOTUS was upholding "our constitutional authority to have a debate" on gay marriage, agreed with an assertion by Morgan that he would defend a convicted felon's right to get married over Suze Orman's and then continued with this bull-pucky:

"The primary function that marriage serves in every society is protecting the rights of children. Everything we've discussed so far has been about adult relationships."

Said Orman, who was far more calm and collected than many would have been:

"I feel compassion for you, and I'll tell you why. I know that you believe very strongly what you believe, but I also know that you're very, very uneducated in how it really, really works. And I believe from the bottom of my heart that if you really, really understood why the government does need to get involved, why it does need to be legal on a federal level, if you really understood that, there is no way that you would sit there and say what you are saying right now."

Watch, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. well met!

    he is a sad man. he's either incredibly unintelligent or a complete wimp who is hoping that his regurgitation of meaningless empty buzz-terms will earn him favor.

    and really, i can't tell if he's another brutal silver-spooned closet case or one of those legacy-admission date-rapers.

    or both.

    but it's getting to that point - there are no intelligent arguments against allowing gay couples to marry. those that pretend they have some only prove themselves to be complete fools. and bigots.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Mar 28, 2013 10:48:31 AM


  2. Total self-loathing closet case.

    Posted by: Not that Rob | Mar 28, 2013 10:58:34 AM


  3. hoping andy is prepping a thread on Snoop lion's (formerly dogg)recent comments on gays

    "People can do what they want and as they please," he said. "Satisfy yourself accordingly. I have no issues with nobody, I live for me and I live my life doing what I do, so you should have the right to do whatever you want to do."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/snoop-lion-gay-marriage-reincarnated-diplo_n_2966804.html

    & the track "No Guns Allowed" that has his daughter in it as well is cool, mellow, and great message

    http://stereogum.com/1295502/snoop-lion-no-guns-allowed-feat-drake-cori-b/mp3s/

    Posted by: Moz's | Mar 28, 2013 11:02:07 AM


  4. I love how they are desperately trying to put a nice face on their bigotry. He starts by not being able to even admit that he's against gay marriage, says that it should be put up to a vote of the people, but then halfway through, when pressed, doesn't want it put up to a "mob vote".

    It is clear that their message is dying.

    Posted by: Brent | Mar 28, 2013 11:03:58 AM


  5. I've never seen the odious Anderson look so uncomfortable. Good job!

    Did he say he's been involved with the Heritage Foundation for 10 years? He's only 31! Can you say: INDOCTRINATION?

    Posted by: Gigi | Mar 28, 2013 11:09:36 AM


  6. That was difficult to watch. Seeing ppl trying to rationalize completely irrational thoughts and opinions is just sad. And kind of pathetic.

    Posted by: Not that Rob | Mar 28, 2013 11:10:11 AM


  7. The video was kind of a disappointment, at least in terms of each side getting equal time to speak. Suze is a class act. Everybody gave that jackass far too much air time. He constantly interrupted her and spoke over her, to the point that she really didn't get to make her points the way she should have been able to do; she didn't get close to the five minutes he did for uninterrupted speaking. After his first five minutes, neither Piers nor anybody else ever told him to shut up and give Suze her chance to speak.

    Posted by: Mike_in_Houston | Mar 28, 2013 11:13:16 AM


  8. @Little Kiwi

    I agree. No compelling arguments against gay marriage at all, other than the "what about the children" trip. Bill O'Reilly and Megyn Kelly said the very same thing. Kelly said Tony Perkins was on her show and he had nothing. Nada. Zilch. I thought it was amazing that she'd admit that considering that he was their "guy" for so many years. O'Reilly said they just thump their bibles. And then came Rush to attack Bill...LOVE IT!

    Posted by: Gigi | Mar 28, 2013 11:13:20 AM


  9. I know that people say that you shouldn't say every homophobe is a closet case...but if this man isn't gay...well, I just don't know.

    Posted by: lucas | Mar 28, 2013 11:15:06 AM


  10. Wow...what a sad little man.

    So young to be so full of hatred.

    Posted by: AllBeefPatty | Mar 28, 2013 11:17:28 AM


  11. Just another huckster. Why give this doofus so much attention?

    Posted by: Jay | Mar 28, 2013 11:19:16 AM


  12. Suze for Prez!

    Posted by: Kyle | Mar 28, 2013 11:23:22 AM


  13. Piers Morgan, I think, did a much better job at the very end of the video than Suze did. As much as I love Suze and think she's a fantastic role model and a persuasive, logical, courteous, and level-headed person, she never explicitly hit on the point that Piers did (as does Dan Savage and Justice Kennedy): that if marriage is about "protecting children" as these bigots claim it is, then what of the real and immediate harm that comes to children of same-sex couples?

    When it comes down to it, the bottom line of these bigots is that their opposition to marriage equality has to do with the notion that gay people CHOOSE to be gay. Their twisted logic is that if people of the same sex can be married, then more people would choose to be gay, rather than choose a straight lifestyle, whatever that means. They don't understand that what marriage equality and gay equality would do is simply take those people who ARE gay, and stop them from living a self-loathing, closeted life in denial, marrying someone under false pretenses. You would significantly reduce one cause of divorce and household turmoil. What these people don't get is that the talking points that they're now relying on--"think of the children!" and "let the people decide!" are rapidly shifting against their favor.

    And yes, it is absolutely hypocritical that when Suze asked the audience, the guy responds that it's just this studio audience, when all along he's suggesting that people should continue the debate.

    Posted by: atomic | Mar 28, 2013 11:23:23 AM


  14. Wow. Ryan Anderson's arguments are so specious it's appalling. I guess he really believes what he's arguing for, but it sounds hollow and rehearsed. The opening exchange where he denies he's "against" same-sex marriage is some of the best comedy writing I've seen on TV.

    Posted by: Diver39 | Mar 28, 2013 11:24:41 AM


  15. cowardice is hideous. really, really ugly...

    Posted by: betmatthewnyc | Mar 28, 2013 11:35:59 AM


  16. "I know you believe very strongly what you believe but I also know that you're very, very uneducated in how it really, really works. I believe from the bottom of my heart that if you really, really understood why the government does need to get involved, why it does need to be legal on a federal level. If you really understood that there's no way you would sit there and say what you are saying right now."

    WRONG! This freak works for the Heritage Foundation and understands 101% what he's saying and doing.

    Posted by: MARCUS BACHMANN | Mar 28, 2013 11:52:27 AM


  17. This makes me amazingly sad! I don't even know what to say...

    Posted by: cdubois | Mar 28, 2013 11:56:41 AM


  18. Facts aren't on their side. Reality isn't on their side. History isn't on their side. The only thing you can cling to when you have nothing else is ignorance and lies.

    Posted by: Bart | Mar 28, 2013 11:58:47 AM


  19. thanks piers

    sometimes it takes a non American's reflections of us to see how silly our laws are

    15 other countries have marriage equality, and they make it law without all the bs we have to go through

    Posted by: t | Mar 28, 2013 11:58:59 AM


  20. Having worked for the heritage foundation for half of his young life it is obvious to me that this man is projecting his religious views onto the structure of society at large, instead of the admission that religion is a part of society, it is laid bare that his belief is that religion is society or that religion actively creates society.

    What is this? the 17th century? I am not sure how this man got so far in his life without seeing reality, I can only guess and cultivate my beliefs as such based on the evidence.

    Understanding marriage the religious sacrament vs civil unions(civil marriage) is really the simplest way to break it all down. The government uses the word marriage and in doing so actually endorses religion and the projection of religion onto the foundations of society by people like this because they didn't think to call it something else at the time. They really should, it would change the entire argument and shut down a lot of this twisted projection.

    Separate church and state! Stop calling it marriage!

    Posted by: rjp3 | Mar 28, 2013 12:07:45 PM


  21. Ryan Anderson was apparently impressed with Charles Cooper's arguments. He repeats Cooper's response to the analogy between older couples and same-sex couples. He adds that it's important for fertile men to have their fertility contained in a marriage, which would seem to embrace bisexual people's right to marry someone of the same sex.

    Opponents of same-sex marriage fail to recognize that marriage has already been redefined by feminism and industrialization among other things. That is to say, it's already gender-neutral and optionally prolific. At this point, it is merely discrimination to exclude gay couples from marriage.

    One heartening thing to take from all this is that Ryan Anderson, Charles Cooper and Paul Clement all made some point complimenting committed gay relationships. Cynics won't appreciate it, and probably rightly, but it's a sure sign of progress.

    Posted by: Kyle | Mar 28, 2013 12:08:03 PM


  22. @rjp3 I don't believe that marriage is a religious term. Are weddings religious ceremonies? Should irreligious people not call their unions marriages? Should they not have weddings?

    Posted by: Kyle | Mar 28, 2013 12:19:10 PM


  23. Why is everyone getting away with this false canard that there was no legally recognized gay marriage until 2000? South Africa's 1994 constitution allowed it!

    Posted by: Dwight | Mar 28, 2013 12:24:31 PM


  24. Suze gave him his time to speak and never interrupted him once. You would think that anyone with half a brain and a modicum of decency would reciprocate. Yet he interrupted her at every turn, no doubt for fear of a rational rebuttal to his nonsense.

    Posted by: jleo71 | Mar 28, 2013 12:37:32 PM


  25. Suze's great but I think Don Lemon did a better job of putting that Heritage guy in his place the other day.

    Posted by: Rollins | Mar 28, 2013 1:02:06 PM


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