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I'd Do It Again With You: VIDEO


A short film by Branden Blinn titled "13 or So Minutes" in which two men who are incredibly attracted to one another discuss what brought them to the place where they find themselves. Featuring Carlos Salas and Nick Soper.


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  1. that was great!

    Posted by: matt | May 1, 2013 12:10:45 PM

  2. @Rick
    'rejecting the culture of effeminacy'

    Something for you to consider.
    What makes you think that you're masculine enough? What scale is used to measure masculinity and who gets a say in it's creation? In a group of lumberjacks you might not make the cut. How would that make you feel? That's exactly what you're doing here.

    Evey topic discussed on these boards resounds to you from the problems you have with effeminacy. Get some help and get over it.

    Posted by: JONES | May 1, 2013 12:25:23 PM

  3. @JONES There are variations in masculinity, to be sure, but there is a certain baseline that virtually all straight men understand.....and that, actually, even most gay men understand.

    That baseline involves not being a physical coward, not mimicking the behavior of women--the way they walk, talk, etc., not referring to other men in the female vernacular ("she", "girl", "Miss_____", "honey", etc.).

    Effeminate gay men fall below that baseline; all other men are above it.....and the reason effeminate gay men fall below it is because they are behaving unnaturally, trying to be like something they are not (i.e. women)--and are doing so because of the psychological damage that has resulted from internalizing the societal notion that normal masculinity is incompatible with homosexuality.

    It really is not at all hard to understand; it really isn't. And almost everybody understands it perfectly well.....

    Posted by: Rick | May 1, 2013 12:37:05 PM

  4. then prove your example by showing us all who you are, RICK.

    since you're so strong and masc. after all, my apparently-Queeny @ss can do it. are you saying you're less strong and masculine and empowered and tough than a wee thang like me? seems like it :D

    don't write your example, show it.

    so, will you?

    of course not.

    because you're a wimp and a coward.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | May 1, 2013 12:44:07 PM

  5. KIWI is never more pathetic than when he's attempting to attack his imperturbable superior, who is RICK. Talk about a barking chihuahua. It's hilarious.

    Posted by: UFFDA | May 1, 2013 12:48:33 PM

  6. hey UFFDA, you know how sometimes you comment on my own blog? there's this thing called an "IP address" that it leaves behind.

    just saying.....

    how about "you" and "rick" do what i said, show yourselves? right. you can't. "both" of you.

    you can't put a face to your comments. because you're a wimp. and as long as you spew your cowardly nonsense, others will call it out.

    every day that you comment anonymously only proves me right. so thanks. feel free to hang yourself.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | May 1, 2013 12:54:34 PM

  7. 'are doing so because of the psychological damage that has resulted from internalizing the societal notion that normal masculinity is incompatible with homosexuality.'

    I'll say again. You have serious issues with effeminacy and need to get some help.

    No one here is demanding that you act effeminate. No one has demanded that you use any vernacular or slang speech that you're uncomfortable with. No one has asked you to dress in women's clothes or wear makeup. No one has asked you to change your perceived masculine behavior other than to stop denigrating other members of the LBGT community that in your mind don't measure up to your 'masculine' scale. A man that is secure in his self image would never stoop to these levels of insult to bolster his own esteem.

    Your hatred of gender non conformity or effeminate behavior based on a 'normal' masculinity index is in the same league as hatred based on a religious standard.

    Posted by: JONES | May 1, 2013 1:16:12 PM

  8. JONES - "they" are angry because the gender-nonconformists that they've been conditioned to hate live Out Proud and empowered lives, and they're still trembling in their closets. it's textbook.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | May 1, 2013 1:24:00 PM

  9. "never even crossed my mind, never ever...i've never had sex with a guy before, i've never wanted to have sex with a guy before".

    they're very appealing but that seems so implausible to me.

    Posted by: paul | May 1, 2013 1:33:04 PM

  10. sexual attractions for "gay/bi" people don't just occur out of thin air in adulthood, of course.

    they occur the same time that they do for heterosexuals. the whole "i never thought about it until now, i was never sexually turned on by a guy until now" is either some manifestation of a heterosexual's misunderstanding(s) of sexuality and attraction, or the excuses still being trotted out by those who want to make it seem as if their orientation came as a "surprise" to them.

    i'm sure we've all met the gay guy who doesn't want to cop to having been lying in the closet for years who pretends that he "felt straight" up one day and feeling gay. or something.

    iit's a story some guys tell before they're ready to just admit that yeah, they've always had those attractions. it's a lie people use to come across as "victims" of their own orientations, and thus can't be judged negatively for it.

    oh well.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | May 1, 2013 1:42:43 PM

  11. Interesting little film, if a bit talky/stagy.
    Am I the only one here who doesn't find either of these guys particularly masculine? They seem kind of average in the dept, so it wasn't particularly "surprising" they had this experience, but I guess that isn't the point.

    I think they could have taken it another step further with some deeper dialog, but it's ok for what it is.

    Btw, Soper what the hot guy here, not the other one.

    Posted by: trg | May 1, 2013 2:10:46 PM

  12. This short vignette took on a big topic.
    I've never doubted that sexuality is fluid and don't believe its anywhere near as fixed in labels as we're taught. Anybody, anywhere, anytime could present a sexual situation if the chemistry is there.

    The right mix of pheromones, intelligence, sexual attraction, lack of sex, liquid courage, an available bed
    and previously held boundaries will get crossed.

    The director deciding to show the 'after the deed' conversation is a good approach. And I kinda like that the dialogue between them is not always stream of thought and goes a bit scattered. That's probably what would happen if they were even a bit freaked.

    Posted by: JONES | May 1, 2013 2:12:37 PM

  13. RICK - of course I knew predictable LK would turn his tiny teeth on me but, like you I hope (and others I know), I never read him. His yellow fake name is like the warning colors of a viper.

    Posted by: UFFDA | May 1, 2013 2:18:45 PM

  14. why does everyone love this youtube short movies or gay tv series all the time! i mean really? the acting and script is horrible!!! if people say they relate to conversations like this what kind of world are they living in? where people stand in one position and have no inflection in their voice and never overlap voices and place their 'ums' and say their 'darn's with no emotion......jesus....horrible!

    Posted by: juan | May 1, 2013 2:49:06 PM

  15. Attractive guys, for sure, but this comes off like a corny porn script. Boring.

    Posted by: Peter | May 1, 2013 2:50:59 PM

  16. @JONES You can spout all the gay activist PC rhetoric you want, but in the real world, you know perfectly well that effeminate gay men are, have always been, and always will be confined to the margins of society.

    They are psychologically damaged people and are rightly seen as such, by just about everybody....and they are not and never will be respected by other men, including myself. Your hilarious notion that people who do not consider their behavior normal "have something wrong with them", while they--grown men referring to each other as "girls" and "she"--do not "have something wrong with them" is truly priceless and so delusional that only someone whose head is permanently buried in the pink ghetto could convince himself of.

    They are also not part of any "community" I identify with, any more than gender-confused freaks who wear panty hose and mascara and high heels and refer to themselves as "Patricia" or "Janice" are.

    And they do enormous damage to me and other men who are attracted to other men sexually by perpetuating the stereotype that homosexuality equates to a lack of masculinity, the primary reason that straight men don't respect us.

    So neither I nor other men will show them respect or acceptance and they can either change their behavior or suffer the consequences that they always have.....and they will deserve those consequences richly, as far as I am concerned.

    The rest of us will increasingly find acceptance and common understanding with other men, regardless of sexual orientation.

    Posted by: Rick | May 1, 2013 2:52:26 PM

  17. and as before, RICK is too much of a cowardly wimp to be able to put a visible face to his comments.

    what does this prove? that's he's far less of a man than the sparkly gender-nonconformists he comes online to complain about, every day.

    i have a straight father and straight male friends who march with me and my LGBT brothers and sisters in pride every day. my straight father, a business professor, even wears his rainbow Equality bracelet every day, at work, as a show of solidarity.

    my point? that RICK's is not only false, but pathetic.

    my visible truth proves his anonymous lies wrong.

    and it always will.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | May 1, 2013 2:55:52 PM

  18. Uh, Rick, Kiwi has a point. Why don't you show us who you are since you seem to think you're the best representation of gays?

    Posted by: Tyler | May 1, 2013 3:00:43 PM

  19. Rick
    Your willingness to throw anyone you consider less manly than yourself under the bus is shameful. I feel sorry for you. Your hatred for any fellow being that falls short of how you measure 'masculinity' will devour you.

    Why not start your own group/blog that asks for 'manly men' members only? Let me know how that works.

    Posted by: JONES | May 1, 2013 3:27:25 PM

  20. so sweet.

    Posted by: troy | May 1, 2013 4:44:38 PM

  21. bad message. as if "being gay" is something to be avoided.

    Posted by: shane | May 1, 2013 4:48:40 PM

  22. perfect---

    Posted by: Dr. C | May 1, 2013 5:28:57 PM

  23. Awful final song. But this was great. The best part is that people really slutshame guys for hooking up -- but what they realize is that (as long as they're being safe) you really can have intense, immediate connections with guys that can change your life. Why not just be open to it?

    Posted by: Robert | May 1, 2013 5:42:02 PM

  24. Isn't this from 2008?

    Posted by: Randy | May 1, 2013 5:50:27 PM

  25. Have always loved this short. There's actually several cuts on Youtube, one of them a highly abbreviated "music video" that I haven't been able to find today. A slightly different original cut with nudity and no reverse angle on Soper at the end is at:

    Spanish subbed BTW.I think the end "this feels nice" sequence works a bit better with the hold on Salas. But the shot of Soper is appreciated and, yes, makes you think they're going to start making love again. Interesting that they don't actually have sex, and that "making out" constitutes *The First Time*.

    Check out Blinn's Triple Standard short for a take on gay self-loathing...

    Posted by: Evan | May 1, 2013 6:21:50 PM

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