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Zach Wahls Destroys Anti-Gay Activist in Boy Scout Debate on CNN: VIDEO


CNN's Don Lemon covered the Boy Scouts' gay ban in a segment Sunday in which two Eagle Scouts appeared: Scouts for Equality's Zach Wahls and John Stemberger, an anti-gay activist with the Florida Family Policy Council who started an organization for homophobes opposed to gays in the BSA called On My Honor.

Stemberger said that opening the Boys Scouts to gay people will destroy it and there is not way that the Catholics, the LDS, or the Baptists will allow it. He also tried to argue that the Boy Scouts are actually fine with gays in their organization, and there's not a "witch hunt" against those that are in it because they are "appropriate, discreet, and not loud and proud."

Wahls, when given his opportunity, calmly destroyed him:

"When people try to say that this is about, you know, 'open' or 'avowed' homosexuality, it's really just a code word for the problem they have with gay people. Being an 'open gay person' is not a whole lot different from being a closeted gay person except for the fact that you have somebody trying to lie and violate the very first part of the Scout law which is that a Scout is trustworthy."


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  1. Zach did great, but I would have liked it if he had pointed out that the Girl Scouts don't discriminate and they are doing okay.
    Same for the Boy Scouts in Canada and the UK.

    A generation ago, some of these religious organizations would have had the vapors if a pack wanted to integrate.

    Posted by: sherman | Apr 22, 2013 11:09:40 PM

  2. So, as long as they are quiet and closeted, they are OK...but the minute that they show that they are normal people just like everyone else, that's not OK? Very strange logic.

    Posted by: | Apr 22, 2013 11:26:43 PM

  3. Love Zach Wahls, but I don't think the beard suits him. He has a better TV presence and appearance without it.


    Idiot, the reason that Wahls gets attention is because he has emerged as an eloquent and effective advocate. He is almost single handedly responsible for getting the largest corporate donors, including Verizon, Intel and UPS, to pull their funding from the BSA. As usual, useless organizations like the so-called "Task Force" did nothing. So Zach Wahls stood up and worked ont he problem. It is one of the reasons the BSA felt pressure to change its policy. That is why CNN has him on and that is why he gets coverage here. So STFU Tank and stop diminishing Zach's accomplishments and the reasons Towleroad has for recognizing them.

    Posted by: Dale | Apr 22, 2013 11:49:29 PM

  4. Geez he looks like a big ol pedofile dressing up in a teenage scout uniform. Yuck. frightening....

    Posted by: BeeBop | Apr 23, 2013 12:42:15 AM

  5. I know Zach.. He is more AWESOME in person!! That other guy is a closet case..bells were ringing immediately!! I am so glad as a gay man that I did not grow up in an evangelical household.... They really are to be pitied. I just hope they find their is so short....

    Posted by: Jim Stone | Apr 23, 2013 1:41:36 AM

  6. The guy in the scout uniform . . . . it's not Halloween. What creepy pedophile.

    Posted by: ugh | Apr 23, 2013 2:09:03 AM

  7. So this guy's justification for discrimination against gays is based on the fear that the Catholic, Mormons and Baptists will stop sponsoring the Scouts.
    So what ?
    Let them go.
    If the Scouts are being sponsored by bigoted homophobic institutions it is better that they do without such sponsorship and retain their integrity.
    And yes they will prosper with such renewal, the religious scouts can join a "Scouts for Jesus" troop.
    It's time to call out integrity.

    @ Marc : I'm totally with you.
    @EnRanc : on your logic dishonesty = good;

    What a nice example to set for the scouts.

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Apr 23, 2013 2:35:40 AM

  8. @ TANK :
    And your point is ?

    Can we not find a guy attractive and still agree with his views ?
    or are we confined to agreeing with the opinions of the unattractive ?
    As I say....... and your point is ?
    Get real.

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Apr 23, 2013 2:42:36 AM

  9. I don't really care about forcing the scouts to accept gay people, but if they're looking for a compromise, how about just grandfathering in the bigots? Old troops can continue to discriminate, but newly formed troops can't.

    Posted by: Merv | Apr 23, 2013 4:56:03 AM

  10. what an obvious self hating flamer,and an ambulance chaser to boot, he talks jus lie that ex assistant AG from up north, who had a fixation on some gay coll.dude who didn't even know him.

    Posted by: codyj | Apr 23, 2013 6:10:45 AM

  11. "There's going to be an exodus..."

    you mean like there was from the military?

    Posted by: DannyEastVillage | Apr 23, 2013 7:26:16 AM

  12. Enranc

    Just because a kid is out of the closet, doesn't make him a "rainbow flag waiving activist", not that that should matter to you. Some kids just don't want to lie to everybody around them. Doesn't mean they are promoting an agenda or fighting for gay rights or forcing their beliefs on others. They are just being kids. Kids who get crushes and want to talk with their friends about things that are important to kids. Kids that might have dreams of growing up and falling in love. Kids that don't want to be taught to hate themselves. So get a grip and get the f--- out of here. Your negativity isn't welcome. It's people like you that make gay kids hate themselves. So afraid to be who they are because they're afraid that a-- holes like you will hate them for being "activists" or shoving it in their faces just by liking who they like. F--- off. Just f--- off.

    Posted by: Brad | Apr 23, 2013 8:07:34 AM

  13. As a wee lad of the 60's the Boy Scouts I joined was not a religious backed group but a school sponsored activity. That guy in the uniform looked as if he was auditioning for Scout Predator of the Year. Quite creepy. Thanks to Tweedle Dumb(W) churches were forced to take care of the poor and needy because of the state being absolved of the responsibility (Compassionate Conservatism). I really wish the Scouts would return to being a truly civic organization.

    Posted by: DC Arnold | Apr 23, 2013 8:57:15 AM

  14. The idiot had no retort to Zach's statement, so he just starts repeating the lie that "It's going to destroy the Boy Scouts! OMG guize, I'm totes serious!"

    Posted by: FuryOfFirestorm | Apr 23, 2013 9:05:15 AM

  15. Well, color me naive. I had no idea that Scouts was a religious organization. Why is that? Is it just about money and what interest do the churches have in scouting? Is it a form of recruitment into religion? If that's the case, I'm glad I was never a scout.

    Posted by: John Freeman | Apr 23, 2013 9:31:38 AM

  16. So annoying! Why didn't someone mention that the churches are trying to destroy scouts by holding them hostage?

    Posted by: Fenrox | Apr 23, 2013 9:49:32 AM

  17. We've been hearing the same nonsense from the anti-gay crowd for generations. "If you give gays equal rights, this horrible thing is going to happen."

    We heard it before they repealed 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell.' The military was going to fall apart. When anti-discrimination laws were first proposed years ago, we heard it then: "Businesses are going to be required to hire homosexuals or be shut down!"

    Now, we're hearing it about the Boy Scouts. "If we let gays in, the Scouts will be destroyed."

    Kind of gets sickening, doesn't it?

    Posted by: Chris L. | Apr 23, 2013 10:26:35 AM

  18. IIRC in order to defend the "gay ban" during initial legal challenges, lawyers for the BSA portrayed it as a "religious organization." Since then religious organizations, particularly Mormons and Catholics, have taken a greater role in funding the BSA.

    Most of us here older than 30 who were Scouts probably don't remember much religious content at all. I certainly don't. Though my troop used a church basement for its meetings and there might have been a pro-forma prayer here or there, it was mainly civic responsibility and activities based. Religion was never really discussed, and I'd remember if it had been because my father was the Scout Master for a while and he kept his religious views very private, though he did believe. He also had no problem accepting his two gay sons at a time when far fewer parents did.

    If an organization is so interdenominational that it accepts Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Episcopalians, etc. etc. etc. then WHICH set of beliefs and values can it truly be said to hold? That you shouldn't drink caffeine and Jesus came to America long after the New Testament? That Saints should be venerated and the Pope is infallible? That Baptism doesn't count unless it's done by choice later? There are MANY areas of conflict between those faiths and for several of them the only thing they agree on is bigotry toward gays.

    But what of the religions which, for sound theological and/or social reasons, have become more accepting of gays either in their congregations or clergy? Why is it only the bigots' views which must be respected and adhered to?

    Posted by: Caliban | Apr 23, 2013 10:29:13 AM

  19. I love Zach Wahls!

    Posted by: Joe De Hoyos | Apr 23, 2013 2:31:25 PM

  20. IF the BSA in fact does relax its ban on gay scouts but does not relax its ban on gay scout leaders, it will be very disappointing. However, last I checked there are no Sex Merit Badges, and although I'm sure sex experimentation happens ALL THE TIME on scouting excursions, Scouting isn't about Sex or Sex Ed. If those principles are adhered to who cares if Johnny or Johnny's scoutmaster is gay or not? The only thing relaxing the ban will do is keep troop leaders from asking inappropriate questions in the first place.

    Posted by: Burt | Apr 23, 2013 6:40:18 PM

  21. Ummmm....I think that Mr. Stemberger is a big, nelly, dress-up gurl.

    And that's the end of it.

    Posted by: AllBeefPatty | Apr 23, 2013 7:44:31 PM

  22. If everyone who is called a closet case here really were, I believe the world population might be impacted.

    Posted by: GB | Apr 23, 2013 7:46:47 PM

  23. caliban, i don't know what you look like, or where you live. but the second marriage equality comes to australia, there's a one way ticket to sydney and a wedding band with your name on it.

    Posted by: ben | Apr 23, 2013 10:07:22 PM

  24. The fundamental problem here is that Scouting got along for almost 100 years with some Gay members and some Gay Scout Masters because they were NOT sponsored by Religious organizations, but by private local groups that were only interested in the Scouting experience for their own children. However, since post Worldwar2, when the Churches saw their membership declining, they decided that Scouting would be an excellent place to get their hands on to our young to brain wash with Religion so that they would start to be active in Churches and to fund them when they become old enough to work; Marry; and raise children; to be brought up in the Religion so they can put money in the collection plates every week.

    Basically, it all comes down to how Churches can hope to survive with more and more adults waking up to the fact that Religion is the root evil in every day life.

    Posted by: Jerry6 | Apr 23, 2013 10:08:03 PM

  25. Father Benedict Groeschel of Larchmont, New York, the Catholic Church's expert on abuse by priests, says that 90 percent of the abuse of children by priests was done by the 10 percent of Catholic priests that are homosexual. That means that homosexual priests abused children 81 times as frequently as heterosexual priests and are responsible for 90 percent of the loss of endowments for Catholic hospitals, schools and orphanages.

    The Boy Scouts do not want to expose their organization to the same fate.

    Posted by: Bot | Apr 24, 2013 9:06:41 AM

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