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Rachel Maddow Rips Jim DeMint for Suggesting Christians are the Victims of the SCOTUS Rulings: VIDEO


On Meet the Press today, Senator Jim DeMint claimed religious people who oppose gay marriage were being "denied dignity" by Justice Kennedy's statement that  'To oppose gay marriage is to deny dignity to people who deserve equal protection'. DeMint was quickly slapped down by Rachel Maddow.

Said DeMint:

What I'd say, David, is he is denying dignity to the millions of Americans who, for moral or religious reasons, believe that gay marriage is wrong. As you just said, you've got 37 states where the people have decided that they want to protect the marriage between a man and a woman because they know that that's the environment where children can thrive and succeed. I mean, that's been proven. So it's not about the desires of adults, it's really about the best environment for children. We're talking all about politics, but the reason governments at the state level and the federal level have recognized marriage between a man and a woman is because it's better for our country and it's better for children.

Replied Maddow:

Justice Kennedy addressed that issue specifically in his ruling. He says that by denying marriage rights to same-sex couples who have kids, you’re humiliating and demeaning those kids. By denying their families equal protection under the law by the parents who are raising them and who love them and who make their family. So we can put it in the interests of children, but I think that cuts both ways. And the ruling cuts against that argument. I mean, gay people exist. There’s nothing we can do in public policy can do to make more of us exist or less of us exist. And you guys for a generation have argued that public policy ought to demean gay people as a way of expressing disapproval of the fact that we exist. But you don’t make any less of us exist, you are just arguing for more discrimination. And more discrimination doesn’t make straight people’s lives any better.

Replied Reed:

David, I really can't let that go. I mean, this suggestion that because somebody wants to affirm the institution of marriage that they're ipso facto intolerant? By that argument, Barack Obama was intolerant 14 months ago. By that argument, 342 members of the House, 85 members of the Senate (including, by the way, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Pat Leahy) who all voted for this law, and Bill Clinton who signed it into law, were intolerant and motivated by an animus and a hatred for gays.


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  1. that was quite a big steaming load of disingenuous BS coming out of ralph reed.

    Posted by: alguien | Jun 30, 2013 3:21:19 PM

  2. Yes, they were intolerant. Just look at the Congressional record when DOMA was passed. It says so in black and white.

    And Obama was for marriage equality when he was a Senator. Then he had higher ambitions and was ambiguous about it for political reasons. Arguably too long in his first term. But once he got re-elected and had nothing to lose anymore, he was his true self again.

    Posted by: Steve | Jun 30, 2013 3:23:38 PM

  3. 'Congress decided to reflect an honor of collective moral judgment and to express moral disapproval of homosexuality.'

    -House Report on DOMA mentioned during SCOTUS case by Justice Kagan.

    So, the answer to Mr. DeMint's statement is a resounding "YES. EXACTLY."

    Posted by: Moony | Jun 30, 2013 3:32:16 PM

  4. Love Rachel.

    Posted by: mike | Jun 30, 2013 3:32:22 PM

  5. Rachel's big happy smile vs. Ralph Reed's lemon-sucking face really told the whole story.

    Posted by: Not a good day to be a bigot | Jun 30, 2013 3:33:54 PM

  6. Umm...Obama "evolved" before his reelection. Of course, he was never really against marriage equality...just a lying politician like all the rest. I do realize that since his election in 2008 we have gone from DADT to gays openly serving in the military, from DOMA to federal recognition of marriage and just a couple of states to now 13 with marriage equality. He cannot get most of the credit but do not underestimate the power of the bully pulpit that a President possesses. And Obama by and large has been the most gay friendly President in U.S. history.

    Just think back to Bill Clinton selling us out for votes and then George W. using us as a boogie man to scare up conservative votes and appreciate how incredible Obama has been on gay issues.

    Posted by: pedro | Jun 30, 2013 3:41:10 PM

  7. I find this new attempt at a narrative by Chris Christie and now Ralph Reed that "Justice Kennedy implied that Congress and specifically Bill Clinton, etc. are bigots" is just infuriating. My answer... YES, THEY WERE. Here is the deal Chris and Ralph... if someone takes action to take away someone's rights for whatever reason, they are being bigoted. Period. Case closed. Doesn't matter the political calculus behind the action. And guess what, that was then... they have atoned. What's your excuse for your actions TODAY.

    Posted by: Gerry | Jun 30, 2013 3:57:18 PM

  8. Do these conservatrons all get a morning update of buzz-tags for the days press moments?

    They are all trying to hitch Bill Clinton to their wagon, even though the former Prez has stated numerous times that DOMA was a deal with the devil in order to prevent even more onerous legislation from being passed.

    Maddow has certainly nailed the summary of their position. It's also frustrating when no media asks all these Xtian folks if they're ready to incorporate all the rules of other religions into law as well. Yeah, didn't think so...

    Posted by: petensfo | Jun 30, 2013 3:59:19 PM

  9. Obama was in favor of gay marriage before his reelection.

    Opposition to gay marriage has long been a bit of political pandering in favor of discrimination by politicians from both sides of the issue. No politician really gives a crap one way or the other, they just like pandering. Joe Biden was pandering to Catholics and Obama to black evangelicals.

    Who is resuscitating Ralph Reed's career? He escaped a long prison sentence by the skin of his teeth. What is he doing back on TV? It would be like having Bernie Madoff a guest on Suse Orman's show.

    Posted by: anon | Jun 30, 2013 4:00:20 PM

  10. @anon... yeah, I was thinking the same thing about Ralph Reed... but you already know they have an answer for that... it's the "America loves to forgive" narrative... and this is from the same people who also love the death penalty...

    Posted by: Gerry | Jun 30, 2013 4:24:29 PM

  11. Ralph Reed looks like a sad, pathetic weasel.

    Posted by: fairi5fair | Jun 30, 2013 4:25:24 PM

  12. @pedro: Fair enough, but Clinton and Obama are products of their times. If Obama had been president in 1996, you can be damned sure he'd have signed DOMA. And if Clinton were president now, he'd be at least as good on LGBT issues as Obama. It's all politics, right or wrong.

    Posted by: Bruno | Jun 30, 2013 4:34:45 PM

  13. RR has always been a sad little weasel and nothing more. He's running out of yokels to milk.

    Posted by: melvin | Jun 30, 2013 4:38:52 PM

  14. Too bad Dyson isn't in charge of that show. David Gregory could go stand in the corner and shake, pretty much as he does now.

    Posted by: melvin | Jun 30, 2013 4:43:44 PM

  15. Ralph smarmy Reed tried to run for Lt Governor of Georgia in 2006 after Madoff. He is the model Christofascist and he's damn fortunate that Rachael Maddow is too polite to not call him out on his bigotry on National television. Pat Robertson ring a bell Ralph?
    Ralph Reed quoting 'social science' to deny LGBT marriage equality is so very laughable.
    Ralph Reed & science ... ask him how old the Earth is.

    Posted by: JONES | Jun 30, 2013 4:49:04 PM

  16. Seruiously, @JONES ! There is no room on the Sunday shows for Bill McKibben, James Hansen, Tim DeChristoper, Assange, Snowden, on and on. But there is plenty for this imbecilic turd because he's wearing a crucifix. He knows nothing about anything, but is considered an authority by the media because he is on speed dial.

    Posted by: melvin | Jun 30, 2013 4:54:40 PM

  17. Just in case there's some frackin misunderstanding, I believe in the mysteries and nothing else. Christianity is the enemy now as it always has been.

    Posted by: melvin | Jun 30, 2013 5:00:26 PM

  18. When the religious right bring up the argument about marriages existing for the purpose of children, they never advocate that couples without children should have their marriages dissolved after X years, or anyone over 50 getting married should not be allowed. They also gloss over the history is marriage is based on the merging of property and families, hence the system of dowries and arranged marriages.

    Posted by: AngelaChanning | Jun 30, 2013 5:09:29 PM

  19. There were two reasons to support DOMA:

    1) You were a bigot.

    2) Your political balls were in a vice, and you didn't have the ability, courage, moral strength, or political independence to stand up to the bigots.

    That's it.

    I think it's pretty easy to tell who stood where.

    There are ZERO logically objective, morally justifiable reasons to be opposed to equality.

    Posted by: Do Me | Jun 30, 2013 5:20:43 PM

  20. Rachel is just wonderful. She's brilliant! Can't get enough! We're so lucky to have her.

    Posted by: Geoff | Jun 30, 2013 5:34:13 PM

  21. If I read one more "steaming pile" analogy. You aren't doing yourself any favors with that. And the "hate game" continues..

    Posted by: Jeff | Jun 30, 2013 5:36:20 PM

  22. @Bruno -- I completely disagree with your estimation that were Bill President today he would have had the courage of his convictions...From everything we know about Clinton he is a political compromiser...He seems to have a desperate need to be the cool kid everyone likes...Mr. Popular. And had Hillary won in 2008 he would be right there whispering sweet compromises in her ear. He would be telling her to stick with cilvil unions...don't rock the boat. And she certainly would not have come out for marriage before the '12 elections. It would be a totally different atmosphere right now. Civil unions would still seem like the progressive consensus position and Hills would not go after DOMA and make Billy boy look bad the way Obama did by refusing to defend it in court.

    If Hillary runs in '16 I will probably vote for her...but make no mistake about it...had she won in '08 the progress we have made in the last 5 years would not be what it has been...IMHO

    Posted by: pedro | Jun 30, 2013 5:41:43 PM

  23. Yes, Ralph. Bill Clinton and all the Senators and Congressmen you named were either acting on their own anti-gay bigotry or pandering to anti-gay bigots in their states or districts. That's just a fact. And yes, Obama was afraid of confronting those bigots until 14 months ago (or whenever it was). Yes, yes, yes. Fortunately many of those folks have changed their minds or at least finally grown a spine. others can just read the polls and are following the constituents in supporting equal rights for all Americans.

    Posted by: Houndentenor | Jun 30, 2013 5:48:55 PM

  24. I haven't watched the whole segment, but I hope the wonderful Ms. Maddow pointed out that the data show that two parents are best. Two of any sex. Does NOT require a heteronym active family.

    Posted by: David R. | Jun 30, 2013 6:18:54 PM

  25. Herteronormative, not heteronym.

    Posted by: David R. | Jun 30, 2013 6:19:15 PM

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