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Cardinal Dolan Steps On Pope's Message Of Tolerance - VIDEO

Dolan on CBS

Pope Francis made headlines while in Brazil yesterday, when he told followers that LGBT Catholics should not be "marginalized", and asked "who am I to judge?" Many found the Pope's comments to be groundbreaking, and possibly indicative of a massive "sea change" in the Catholic Church's views on homosexuality. Of course, Cardinal Timothy Dolan doesn't want you to get too excited. 

The New York cardinal and archbishop has a history of making anti-gay remarks. Thus, his most recent comments, which came during an interview on CBS This Morning this morning, seem almost predictable. When asked about the Pope's recent message of tolerance, Dolan insisted that Francis' comments represent lessons that the church has been teaching for years. Is that message to treat LGBT people with tolerance? Not exactly. 

“Homosexuality is not a sin, right? Homosexual acts are. Just like heterosexuality is not a sin outside of marriage, that would be sinful...While certain acts may be wrong, [Pope Francis] would always love and respect the person and treat the person with dignity and not judge them."

In other words, according to Dolan, The Pope's message is simply a re-hashing of the commonly-uttered "love the sinner, hate the sin" proverb commonly used by homophobes to insist that they are not, in fact, homophobic. Of course, this is simply Dolan's interpretation, since the Pope has yet to issue any additional comments as of late. Then again, should Dolan's interpretation prove accurate, then it wouldn't hurt the cardinal to heed the Pope's (and his own, apparently) advice. As ThinkProgress pointed out...

"The Cardinal hasn’t always followed his own advice and has repeatedly condemned the rights of same-sex couples under the guise of love and support for the gay community. After lobbying against New York’s marriage equality law, Dolan prohibited by decree any Church personnel or property from being utilized for same-sex marriage ceremonies under penalty of "canonical sanctions," calling the state’s law "irreconcilable with the nature and the definition of marriage as established by Divine law." He has also compared the "threat" posed to marriage by gays and lesbians to that of polygamy, adultery, forced marriagecommunist dictatorships, and incest. Dolan responded to the Supreme Court’s decision striking down a section of the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act by claiming that the spread of marriage equality will threaten 'the common good of all.'"

That all certainly sounds like judgement to us...

Watch Dolan on CBS This Morning AFTER THE JUMP...

 

 

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  1. Dale is just Rick/Jason. Our resident troll's normal, properly worded looney responses aren't getting him the same response anymore, so he has devolved into this Dale character.

    Posted by: MateoM | Jul 30, 2013 3:22:20 PM


  2. I saw the interview live as well... let me say first, I LOATHE his Excellency. That said, I suspect he got the memo b/c this was the least inflammatory, most conciliatory interview I've ever seen him give. I actually had to wait for them to put his name on the screen, I was in such disbelief.

    I suspect, Dolan understands, with all his PR debacles & showings of privilege (he took a private jet to Rome & back) that he himself may be a target of Pope Francis, a man known for humility & who clearly intends to clean up some of the ridiculous politics of which Dolan is most definitely a part of.

    If he ends up out on his ass, I suspect many will smile w/ relief.

    Posted by: Pete N SFO | Jul 30, 2013 3:23:57 PM


  3. Sanctimonious pig

    Posted by: rick scatorum | Jul 30, 2013 3:44:03 PM


  4. The bigger the catholic, the lesser the xtian

    Francis, like all political animals who make it to the top, has feet of clay

    Posted by: rick scatorum | Jul 30, 2013 3:47:01 PM


  5. The church always uses tons of nuance when they change doctrine. When the church changed its mind about the guilt of all Jews in the death of Jesus, they had to put a mighty spin on it, otherwise, the course change would have been too great for the masses to handle. It took about 100 years.

    Posted by: anon | Jul 30, 2013 3:54:40 PM


  6. Dolan was also on the Today show. They preceeded his interview with a segment of "person on the street" commentaries - most were wonderful - how great it was that the chruch might move in teh direction of valuing all people and stop focussing on sin and deviance. Except for one a guy from Chicago who talked about teh "sins against nature" of gay marriage and (poor thing he couldn't stop himself "teh deviance of homosexuals" - he came across as a bitter, hate-filled person. So, of course, Dolan selected him out for praise in recognizing the "true nature" of the Pope's comment. It won't happen, but I would love for the Pope to say, "No, Cardinal I meant what I said."

    Talk about teh gay mafia, hah the str8 mafia has their work cut out for them bringing this popr around.

    Posted by: Rob | Jul 30, 2013 4:06:26 PM


  7. Dolan should shove "Dale" up his ass. They would both enjoy it.

    Posted by: Richard | Jul 30, 2013 4:58:36 PM


  8. no, mateom, believe it or not, not every loathsome comment is rick/jason, who are clearly separate persons anyway

    Posted by: gomez | Jul 30, 2013 4:59:36 PM


  9. sorry please remember that you were not elected Pope

    Posted by: RJ Abada OFM | Jul 30, 2013 6:34:59 PM


  10. DOLAN REPRESENTS THE US BISHOPS

    Why are we not picketing every catholic church, before the bishops mess with the next round of States trying to pass equality?

    Posted by: Bob | Jul 30, 2013 6:46:29 PM


  11. @DEARCOMRADE, WELL SAID !

    Posted by: Stephen | Jul 30, 2013 6:49:51 PM


  12. I wonder if Pope Francis knows he has a self-appointed "translator" of his message in America?

    Dolan is right in that what Francis said was basically in keeping with previous statements by the church, that *being* gay is OK but having gay sex is not. But he ignores the many divisive and hateful statements by Pope Ratfvcker and Francis's CLEAR attempts to move on from that to a more positive message, one of humility, concern for poverty, and stepping away from the forefront of (ultimately secular) social issues. What did Francis have to say during France's hissy-fit about gay marriage? Not a word.

    Look. Pope Francis is the head of the Catholic church and he is NOT going to become a gay rights supporter. The Catholic church are second only to geology when it comes to change and sometimes tectonic plates move faster!

    But in addition to whatever direct power a Pope has it's also a "bully pulpit" (literally in this case) not unlike the US Presidency. The Pope sets the tone for those beneath him. Pope Benny took shots at gays every chance he got and that empowered Dolan and every other Cardinal to issue their own p!ssy missives, threatening to withhold communion from marriage equality supporters, purging schools of gay teachers, etc.

    I'm not Catholic, but from the moment he took office I think Francis has been trying to position himself as the anti-Rat. He refused to reside in the opulent and isolated Papal quarters, deciding instead to live in a dormitory with other priests. He had Benny's gilded throne (and it *was* a THRONE) removed and replaced with a simpler (though still impressive) wooden chair for his "audiences." He's said that priests (like Dolan) need to stop using fancy cars and basically living like kings. He went to Brazil without using the bullet-proof "popemobile."

    IMO, *FOR A POPE* he's about the best we could ask for after the Nazi POS who just left. To me it seems as if he's trying to be less divisive, focusing instead on other, more important things, and I doubt he appreciates Dolan using this as an opportunity to reiterate his usual homophobia, the exact divisiveness Francis is trying to avoid.

    And why wasn't Dolan asked about his emailed recommendation to hide church money in a cemetery upkeep fund so it wouldn't be accessible to priest-child-abuse victims? If you're going to have him on a show why let him limit the discussion to what HE wants to say? He has a LOT of sh!t to answer for and it's poor journalism not to challenge him at all.

    Posted by: Caliban | Jul 30, 2013 7:07:03 PM


  13. As the pope urges his cardinals to be less ostentatious, his biggest battle will be with Dolan, a gluttonous, money grubbing prelate who can never have enough money for himself. Luxury is his middle name. Poor pope is stuck with folks like this.

    Posted by: Ken | Jul 30, 2013 8:26:38 PM


  14. I simply have no concern whatever way the camera points concerning Miss Dolan. She is a publicity whore, making the rounds of New York media, keeping her name before the public for the next Papal election.

    Posted by: aregeejay | Jul 30, 2013 9:56:25 PM


  15. The pope asked, "Who am I to judge?" I ask of him, "Who am I to care?"

    Posted by: seamus | Jul 31, 2013 1:27:01 AM


  16. I keep suggesting that Gays, their friends and families protest in front of every catholic church, and, particularly, the residences of Dolan and Cordileone (prop 8 author, bish-queen of San Francisco now)

    I KEEP NOT SEEING ANY EVIDENCE OF PROTESTS -- WHAT'S GOING ON?

    Posted by: Bob | Jul 31, 2013 5:50:23 AM


  17. What the HELL (if you believe there is a Hell) is he talking about?

    "irreconcilable with the nature and the definition of marriage as established by Divine law."???

    Sorry honey, but last time I checked, the mantra of "one man-one woman" is entirely created by humans. I guess when you are Cardinal for a long time, you get to stop studying and you forget things. Even I, as a novice on spiritual studies and an ex-Catholic, know that marriage in the Bible (which is supposedly the direct "capital W-Word of capital G-God") is not about love, not about sex, not even primarily about family. It is about ownership - a contract to obtain another human being, and all that comes with them. Dowries, treaties, land mergers... it's all about commerce. Continuing a family's blood line was important, but that isn't about family, it's about survival, and it wasn't done one man-woman couple at a time. The only reason Adam and Eve (if you take that fable as history) were a heterosexual monogamous couple is because there was nobody else around - and look how that turned out.

    To the best of my recollection, though it has been a long time since I read any of it: if you take the capital W-Word as law by following the actual text of the Bible, then polygamy IS part of the divine law. So is forced marriage. So is selling your child to another person for marriage - in effect, slavery. In many cases, a man "loving" his wife is actually a man "favoring" one wife over his many other companions - and often it doesn't say that they are all women!

    Attributing all of this man-made narrow-mindedness about marriage to "God" - hmmm, smacks of Pride to me (capital P because they say it is one of the "deadly sins").

    Love the sinner, hate the sin is an impossibility, by the way, because you can't love and persecute someone at the same time. Like hugging your friend so you can reach around and lift their wallet. Or more to the point, "I'm only killing you because I love you!" Most people I know of who have said that are incarcerated because they are criminal or locked up for being just plain looney.

    Mediocre as the new Pope's message might have been, it is at least an honest interpretation of what the Catholic religion espouses to be about - "Who am I to judge?" Usually Catholic leaders say that is supposed to be God's job, but then they go around policing everyone, making sure everyone is nicely pre-judged. Maybe they are trying to make God's job easier?

    Posted by: Rich | Jul 31, 2013 9:01:03 AM


  18. Why don't these dress wearing so-called "Men of the Cloth" go out and really earn a living by doing something productive; Like street sweeping, or Garbage Collection, or being a Nurses Aide in a Hospital. You know; really help people.

    Posted by: Jerry6 | Aug 3, 2013 4:49:05 PM


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