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  1. MaryM says

    Bill Clinton has never apologised for DOMA.

    Who has caused more damage to the gay community?

    Bill Clinton or Ken Mehlman?

  2. stich says

    Who has caused more damage to the gay community?

    People who live in the past and ask pointless questions or people who can’t tell their friends from their enemies?

  3. Butch says

    On another matter, I believe I have a DVD of a “farewell tour” that’s probably 8 or 10 years old.

  4. Don says

    Bill Clinton has said that he regrets DOMA and worked hard to get the law repealed. He has also explained that they were trying to avert a constitutional amendment by passing DOMA. The country has come so far, it is hard to imagine, but Bill was the first president to even acknowledge us, and they were trying to make him pay for it. Ken Mehlman had a large role in every one of the state constitutional amendments that we will now have to work hard and spend money to overturn.

  5. Don says

    Bill Clinton has said that he regrets DOMA and worked hard to get the law repealed. He has also explained that they were trying to avert a constitutional amendment by passing DOMA. The country has come so far, it is hard to imagine, but Bill was the first president to even acknowledge us, and they were trying to make him pay for it. Ken Mehlman had a large role in every one of the state constitutional amendments that we will now have to work hard and spend money to overturn.

  6. Patric says

    Don, I agree with every one of your comments except the following (and agree with those who’ve expressed that, when it comes to harm done to our community, it’s not even a close call between Clinton and the loathsome Mehlman, who continues to hustle for some of the worst Republican homophobes in Washington):

    Clinton “worked hard to get the law repealed.” I’d call that a bit of an exaggeration.

    “He has also explained that they were trying to avert a constitutional amendment by passing DOMA.” The evidence for this is dubious. This seems much more likely to be an after-the-fact rationalization designed to make him look better now and for the history books. It was a political calculation at the time. He should take responsibility for it and apologize. Having said that, no one here should forget that we won the DOMA case last week because (i) both of President Obama’s appointees voted with us, (ii) both of President Clinton’s appointees voted with us and (iii) as Jeffrey Toobin has pointed out this week, Democrats in 1987, fresh off wins in the 1986 midterms, defeated Reagan’s initial nominee for the Court and forced him to choose a more moderate nominee. Elections have consequences. All of the Court’s other Republican-appointed Justices of course voted to allow discrimination under the law; that’s the world we’d be passing along if we listened to the loathsome likes of Mehlman and other LogCabin/GOProud types.

  7. says

    Patric sees through our government and reading the minds of our top officials as clear as a crystal ball. Patric, help me contact my beloved Tilly.

  8. Geoff says

    Ken Mehlman will never undo the damage he did…as far as state-wide obstacles to overcome. All fingers should be pointing at him. Were he a cat – nine lives wouldn’t be nearly enough to begin thinking about dreaming of scratching the surface.

  9. Kevin says

    @MaryM Bill Clinton most definitely has apologized for DOMA and explained it on more than one occasion. He had the choice of signing that or Republicans were going to pass a constitutional amendmentbanning gay marriage. Had that amendment been passed and ratified the LGBT community’s fight for rights would have been infinitely harder.

    You cannot look into the past and ignore everything that was happening at the time to just ridiculously blame Clinton for it. He was and is an ally of the LGBT community.

    Same with DADT, even Colin Powell has said the intent of the law, which was the best they could do with the political landscape at the time, was to protect gay soldiers and their right to serve. It is not Clinton’s fault that the military then used the law to start a witch hunt.

  10. pedro says

    What is this hard work that Slick Willy has been engaging in? Please fill me in.

  11. davey says

    why is no one commenting on what a TERRIBLE interviewer is Savannah Guthrie?!?!?!?

  12. Patric says

    Kevin, I am not aware of any facts which would justify your statement that President Clinton has apologized for DOMA. He called for its invalidation, no doubt, and he rationalized his signature of the law but his most prominent statement on the topic this year included no apology. http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-07/opinions/37528448_1_doma-defense-of-marriage-act-marriage-equality You recite his rationalization that his signature of DOMA was seen at the time as necessary to prevent passage of an FMA but the evidence for that is weak. Sounds more like an after-the-fact rationalization. Saying so is not inconsistent with recognizing that he is and has been an ally of our community in many important ways and that we would not have achieved our victories at the Court this week were it not for the Supreme Court appointments he made during his term.

    Finally, let me just point out that Colin Powell is in yet a wholly different category on DADT. Whereas President Clinton had great intentions with respect to repeal of the existing ban on open service and was forced to accept an unsatisfactory compromise because of the opposition which mobilized and the resistance of members of Congress, Powell’s role in the debate was uniformly shameful. Whatever evolving he may have done since, Powell was arguably more responsible than anyone for the defeat of the President’s initial proposal to allow open service. As an African-American, his testimony that allowing open service would be “prejudicial to good order and discipline” and his refutation of the similarities between the proposed repeal and the desegregation of the armed forces in the 1940s were devastating to our effort and provided cover for elected officials to oppose the President’s proposal. Powell’s role in the process was significant, very different from the President’s and absolutely shameful.

  13. steve says

    davey – yes – I agree that Savannah is not a good interviewer – but she does her job fine and does what is asked of her. definitely not my style.

  14. UFFDA says

    Cher is a good egg all around, but I don’t want to hear anything about her love life. I don’t know why people ask when we all know that she should have settled down years ago and raised more kids, stayed with the same man and behaved herself. Instead she sold out to fame, fortune and fun. What a role model!

  15. jsb says

    @UFFDA

    Just who do you think you are to say something as nonsensical as,

    “when we all know that she should have settled down years ago and raised more kids, stayed with the same man and behaved herself.”

    Seriously? Doesn’t that sound like something a TeaBagger/Evangelical/Christian Fundamentalist would say?

    I could hope you were being sarcastic, but it doesn’t read that way.