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  1. Leo says

    He IS right that TRUE victory will come when an out, black rapper like himself tops the Hot 100. Culturally, we’re a few decades away from that actually happening. Shooting down allies in a bitter tantrum to make that point though does not advance the cause, and if anything makes things worse.

  2. Tonez says

    He must have been frustrated. Probably why he deleted them after. The two songs do sound similar. Le1f should be more famous because his songs are awesome. But being a black gay rapper will always be a uphill battle for him. I’d rather see him twerk at the VMAs though rather than Hannah Montana.

  3. distinguetraces says

    The influence is clear.

    But – has Le1f heard of hip hop? Producers borrow/steal beats and hooks, it’s a thing.

    Macklemore’s song puts the hook front and center, while Le1f’s buries it, not a recipe for radio success.

  4. MIke says

    I read an interesting opinion by a black music critic calling the MTV show a “Mintrel Act, 2013″ where artists like this and Robin Thicke and Miley Cyrus and Justin Timerlake are lauded for appropriating black music and the black artists sit in their seats and get nothing. If “One Direction” did a hip-hop single, it probably would have been named “Best”. I’m sure that will be controversial, but I agreed with it. I can see why that person and this person are pissed.

  5. crispy says

    Well, that’s not what a minstrel act is so the comparison is wrong.

    That said, white artists appropriating black culture is a time-honored tradition in American music history that goes all the way back to Elvis and probably further.

    But I gotta disagree that black artists went unnoticed. Most pop records today are the result of interracial collaborations… see Robin Thicke, Daft Punk, Justin Timberlake, Jay Z, etc, etc, etc. The producers or guest artists on all those records are just as deserving regardless of whether they took to the stage to receive a moon man.

  6. Zydrate says

    The difference is that Le1f’s song is unlistenaly horrible.

    Also, “Thrift Shop” isn’t even the video that’s being discussed. “Same Love” is the song, which sounds nothing like anything Le1f has ever put out.

    And if Le1f thinks he at all invented that old school beat he has about 30 years of hip-hop history to answer to.

    Seriously, Macklemore won because his song is better than yours… then again, a cat food jingle is better than Le1f’s garbage.

  7. Opinionated says

    Oh come off it! Artist steal or better put, build off each other all the time from Michael Jackson to Tolkien. This attention whore is just jealous he didn’t create a catchy and moving song like Macklemore did.

  8. Zeta says

    “I read an interesting opinion by a black music critic calling the MTV show a “Mintrel Act, 2013″ where artists like this and Robin Thicke and Miley Cyrus and Justin Timerlake are lauded for appropriating black music and the black artists sit in their seats and get nothing. If “One Direction” did a hip-hop single, it probably would have been named “Best”. I’m sure that will be controversial, but I agreed with it. I can see why that person and this person are pissed.”

    @Mike, that music critic would be correct.

  9. Zeta says

    “The producers or guest artists on all those records are just as deserving regardless of whether they took to the stage to receive a moon man.”

    They’re all deserving, but they’re not the faces getting those awards. Mike’s comments from the music critic are correct. Telling blacks that it’s fine to sit in the back 😉 and let their betters be the faces associated with the music blacks create (or help create) is too much like Paula Deen stealing recipes from her black ‘friends’ and presenting them as her own. It’s a time-honored tradition. And it’s wrong.

    Leif also has a point about two straight (I still don’t believe they’re straight, but) white boys being awarded while gay acts are ignored.

  10. shane says

    WOW. you def see why he’d be frustrated, the beat/sound/authenticity. Macklemore’s song rocks, we were all riffing to it months ago. But you can tell how it’s derivative of the bounce sound, and why poor Le1f would feel left out.

  11. crispy says

    Sorry UFFDA/ZETA, but you are factually incorrect. Ray Dalton was on the stage accepting the award with Macklemore and Ryan Lewis. Pharell and Nile Rodgers appeared on stage with Daft Punk. Timberland almost always appears in Justin Timberlake’s video or on stage performing with him; likewise, Rick Rubin has appeared in Jay Z’s videos.

    This is not a case of whites stealing from black artists like in the early days of rock music. It’s a very evident collaboration.

  12. JMC says

    Soooo over Macklemore’s cultural appropriation and terribly written music. It’s one thing to have white racists lining up to give him a rimjob for being so deep and unlike black rappers when he’s not, but I can’t believe how many gay people buy into his crap too.

  13. Jack says

    These comments are awesome for ignoring the real gist of the criticism. Our culture routinely rewards straight people for playing gay roles or championing gay culture while ignoring gay artists.

    Seriously, there are no openly gay artists who are feted by the mainstream for their queer works of music.

  14. Tarc says

    Other then the word (?) ‘wut’ , they aren’t the same at all. Sure, they have similar but different digital sax notes, but then so does most of the songs in that genre these days. I enjoy M&R for a number of reasons, including that they are 1) intelligible, 2) intelligent, and 3) use the actual English language. Above that, they aren’t degrading to women and homosexuals as a matter of course.

  15. Jeff says

    Obvious play for attention. Start a “controversy” with a much more successful artist and some of the media spotlight will spill over on you.

    The songs are obviously different. And Same Love is not about interracial gay love. The video was cast that way, but the song says nothing about race.

    Also, this guy is creepy and gross, prancing around in Daisy Dukes. I’ll take Macklemore any day.

  16. MIke says

    From Jezebel website: (love this)

    “Okay…. but can we talk about the problematic and racist nature of her performance? Her literal use of people as props? Her association of her newfound sexuality with the traditional codifiers of black female culture, thereby perpetuating the Jezebel stereotype that black women are lewd, lascivious and uncontrollably sexualized? Can we talk about the straight up minstrelsy of that performance? Can we talk about how not a single black person won an award last night even though the people who did win awards have been mining black music and culture for years?

    No? Ok… I’ll just sit at the back of the bus then. #solidarityisforwhitewomen”

  17. Caliban says

    I like both songs, and the “hooks” are similar, but the end results aren’t at all alike. One major difference is that Le1f’s lyrics are unintelligible, which makes it difficult to appreciate on a level deeper than just the surface. “Thrift Shop,” despite criticism that it’s too commercial has a deeper point, is actually anti-commercialist. It’s a theme M&L have hit before with their criticism of shoe companies (like Nike) selling identity to young people for top dollar.

    And is it really fair to accuse Macklemore of appropriating “black music” when he’s been living and working in the hip-hop genre for years? It’s not like the old days when white artists would “lift” musical styles and make them acceptable to white audiences, which were segregated. How would it be different from criticizing a black opera singer for doing “white music”?

    M&L released “Same Love” during the vote for gay marriage in WA state and the proceeds went to that fight. Did I miss Le1f’s comparable political statement/action?

  18. Drake says

    I grew up listening to rap. And I have had to deal with the cognitive dissonance of rap’s homophobic/misogynist content and the history/culture that influenced my life and environment. I hear what Le1f is saying but #1 he’s not someone I’d listen to, even as a gay man. His flow is so basic. While Macklemore is not a lot better, he has garnered a lot of attention from Thrift Shop and for him to stick his neck on the line to express a very unpopular opinion amongst rap heads is a big risk and luckily it has paid off for him. We need to stop putting targets on our allies. My advice to Le1f is get your weight up, improve your craft, and if you can be that spark that inspires someone else with a broader audience then you should take pride in that until the day has come where gay rappers can be marketable. Until then, it’s a pipe dream. You will get an underground following but you will never achieve that visibility. Mykki Blanco is doing what he’s doing but 100x better.

  19. Meah says

    Quite a few things on the internet truly “vanish”, THAT his of misinformation boarders propaganda.

    And the music business is as much about marketing and connections as it is about originality, but throwing up claims of racism doesn’t do a whole lot to resolve perceived slights, as all music is derivative.

  20. jjose712 says

    People seem to ignora that Macklemore is an independent artist. Maybe right now he is Emminen’s replacement in the pop charts, but he has no major studio behind him, his success was a surprise.

    A lot of people thought that he would never release Same love to the radio, because most people thought radio wouldn’t touch such controversial song. But he did.

    I agree that gay singers need more presence on radio, since Adam Lambert’s If i had you, no solo gay singer had a top 40 hit, and that was a bunch of years ago (of course if RCA really promoted Lambert the way he deserved he probably would have some other hits under his belt).

  21. Billy says

    What’s the deal with NYC queens claiming pop stars stole from them? It was Gaga stole, now its Macklemore. I have an idea go on tour, show the world your talent. You won’t become famous doing shows at Sugarland.

  22. Francis #1 says

    I don’t disagree with one point Le1f somewhat touched on. Fact is that a straight person doing the same thing a gay person does have a dramatically different reaction in our heterosexist society across the board, including in speaking up for LGBT rights. That cannot be ignored.

  23. Tobias says

    I’m stunned at how many of you supposedly-gay men are upset about the Same Love song. My guess is if you were in your teens you’d be incredibly affected by it, in a positive way. Perspective, please.

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