1. Anthony says

    Some good news. If you have issue with the military, that’s your opinion, but they have done an outstanding job with the only real problem we still face – stigma.
    Ending gay stigma is the name of the game.

  2. Belthazar says

    Indeed good news for Service Members. I’ll say it again, in David Mixer’s words, “Elections Make A Difference.” I will add to that — determined activism.

  3. Dback says

    And cue the asshats complaining about the 10-day leave as “special rights” for gays in 5…4…3…2…

  4. HadenoughBS says

    You’re right, DBACK. However, any complaints from the asshats about “special rights” for gay service members will be because they are the ones creating this situation. DUH!

  5. Diatribed says

    Yay, the hired killers among us get to be just as equal as the other hired killers.

    As the nation becomes increasingly militarized, and the concepts of liberty, freedom and privacy continue to erode, we can all take some solace in being considered slightly more “equal”.

    The military’s job isn’t to protect us, it’s to do the dirty work for the corporate elite that run everything, and force their will down the throats of every other nation in the world.

    As this de-evolution relentlessly continues, the same old tired fags post here about their concerns of how the religious nutbags are going to react to our latest equality “news”.

    I accuse. I accuse you all of being deluded, clueless, pawns in a game that has nothing to do with “equality” at all.

  6. says

    Excellent news. And it sets a good precedent for honoring the marriages of all gay couples, regardless of where they’re posted or where they live. A Republican administration would no doubt be fighting it–though with their preferred SCOTUS picks, the change wouldn’t have happened at all.

    @DBACK: On non-gay sites they already are talking about discrimination against heterosexuals–surprise!–ignoring the fact that if gay couples could get married in any state, as heterosexual couples can, there would be no need for the “special” leave. Easy solution to that: marriage equality in 50 states.

    @DIATRIBED: You don’t like the military. Yep, we get it. Your accusations are empty, however.

  7. andrew says

    With Obama, Kerry and Hagel, LGBT folks and all those who favor equality sure do have good friends in very high places.

  8. DB says

    The American government is finally supporting our heroes who support our freedom. Thank you to all the gay and heterosexual servicemembers out there who give your life protecting us.

  9. Michael Bedwell says

    I AM genuinely happy for those who are already or can easily get married, but let’s not let the balloons and confetti drop blind us to the reality of the situation for many others. What happened to “leave no one behind”? The DOD claims it “remains committed to ensuring that all men and women who serve in the U.S. military, and their families, are treated fairly and equally as the law directs” yet they’re ARBITRARILY breaking their February PROMISE of “fairness and equal treatment” to those SSDPs that are no more financially able now to travel to a marriage jurisdiction than they were in February. How are they suddenly any less brothers and sisters in arms? How are their years of sacrifice in uniform and that of their devoted partners which the Pentagon PRAISED in February suddenly irrelevant? Non-chargeable leave does NOT create an “equal playing field” for anyone stationed in the majority of the world where same sex marriage remains verboten. I’ve yet to read of any of the many civilian companies in states which ban marriage who have provided benefits to their gay employees’ domestic partners for years suddenly saying, “Sorry, you just have to go somewhere and get married now.”

  10. DB says

    CGD, You wrote, ‘Will heterosexual couples be offered the same 10 days leave?’. Actually, heterosexual couples are already allowed to get legally married in all 50 states. So, they do not need to have 10 days leave to travel and have their marriages legally recognized. Once marriage is finally legalized nationwide, the leave will no longer be needed.

  11. Todd says

    DIATRIBED – enjoying writing your hilariously ridiculous rants from your Mom’s basement, do you? The fact that no one from the government is there to cart you off to jail (or worse) for speaking out against the government is due entirely to those citizen soldiers you ignorantly refer to as “hired killers.” For the fact that you are able to write your screed, you should thank your teachers. For the fact that you are able to write your screed in English, you should thank a soldier.

    CGD – rightly, no. They can walk out the gate of any US military base or post in the world and easily marry. Gay and lesbian service members do not have that option…especially those assigned in the majority of the country yet to evolve.

    BREAK BACK MOUNTIN’ – the story of this leaked a few days ago, but the final version of the authorization from the Secretary of Defense was only release today at 11:30.

  12. Rexfrod says

    @CGD – And just to add to what DB wrote, gay couples living in a marriage equality state won’t be eligible either.

    imho – How gay military spouses are treated in non-equality states could have impact on Section 2 of DOMA finally falling. For example, will non-equality states like Texas, which offers extended unemployment benefits to “trailing spouses” of military personnel who move there because their military partner was transferred, be able to deny those benefits even though the military (federal government) recognizes the marriage? And on another note, back in 2009, the U.S. Congress passed the Military Spouse Residency Relief Act (MSRRA) giving trailing spouses immediate access to all kinds of state benefits and services by granting them immediate residency in the state they had to move to. This could get interesting where gay couples are concerned.

  13. CGD says

    Will same-sex civilian employees of DoD be offered the same benefits?

    Who’s footing the extra expense?

  14. CGD says

    Will same-sex civilian employees of DoD be offered the same benefits?

    Who’s footing the extra expense?

  15. andrew says

    “J’accuse”, “J’accuse” Emile Zola lives! Oh no its just DIATRIBE pretending to be a leftist militant. Maybe on Halloween he can get an Emile Zola costume and impress a few nerdy pretend militant friends. My thanks go out to the men and women, straight and gay who proudly wear their country’s uniforms and protect America, and further the cause of freedom around the world.

  16. says

    “Ten days seems a bit much, 3 should suffice.”

    You seem stuck on the tiny leave component, @CGD. As others have said, as soon as gay couples can marry anywhere in the U.S., just like straight couples, then get rid of the leave component. Easy fix. And given the history and cost of discrimination against gay servicemembers, married and un-married, a few days of leave, and the expense of that, is a microscopic drop in the bucket, especially in comparison to all the benefits straight couples have accumulated over the years at our expense. If money is the issue, don’t look at gay military. They’re owed bigtime.

  17. Francis #1 says

    What we also need to realize is that these couples are a) going to be forced to travel (aka spend money) to marry, and b) reside in a state that doesn’t allow same-sex marriage (most military bases). So the 10 day leave w/out pay is to just somewhat level the playing field. It’s still not 100% equality. The couples who traveled in their leave time beforehand to marry won’t be reimbursed. But the Pentagon values their LGB troops and wants to treat them as equal as possible under our current laws in the US.

    Good for them. Good for Chuck Hagel. And best of all, great for same-sex military spouses. They’re not truly apart of the military family.

  18. Lymis says

    “”Ten days seems a bit much, 3 should suffice.”

    You have to travel. You have to have or make an appointment for a license. In some states, there is a waiting period until you can marry. You have to have the ceremony. You have to return.

    DC has a five day waiting period for a license. Iowa, Washington and Massachusetts have a 3 day wait.

    If you read the policy, people stationed within the continental US get a maximum of 7 days, not 10.

    10 days only applies to those stationed outside the continental US. That means this policy is going to cover servicemembers who are traveling from overseas, not just hop across a state border. If you’re deployed on a ship, getting home is not a matter of driving to the closest airport.

    Getting back to the US, arranging a wedding, having a wedding, and getting back to an overseas duty station, all in 10 days, is hardly excessive. Doable, but not even generous.

  19. emjayay says

    Rexfrod: You sound like you know what you are talking about. Anyway, is seemed obvious to even an amateur like me (and Rachel Maddow and I suppose everyone else) that the Supreme Court decision just set up a situation where there would be a thousand problems cropping up, and an equal number of lawsuits, until the whole anti-marriage equality thing finally crumbles. I’m sure that the military, being one thing with its own sort of territories in every state not to mention foreign countries and moving people around from place to place at will would have all kinds of extra problems of its own.

    It’s great that Hagel – working for the President as Commander in Chief – has been pretty proactive on all of this. Seriously, who woulda thought, just a couple of years ago…

  20. Fox says

    @CGD – You have to read the actual policy. The 10 days only applies to soldiers who aren’t in the Continental US. It’s 7 days for soldiers in the Continental US. And then, it only applies to soldiers who are further than 100 miles from a place where they can get married. So, if a couple is in Arlington, Virginia, then they’re less than 100 miles from Washington, DC, Maryland, and Delaware; it won’t apply.

  21. Rexford says

    Emjaya – No, I’m no expert .. lol! but I do think things become far more difficult for right-wingers in red states to come up with arguments when they’re trying to deny benefits to individuals who are serving their country. It’s like cognitive dissonance.