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  1. says

    @Continuum
    Summary: I’m not sure he was a rabid homophone but an attorney that came at it from a legal perspective and thought it should be decided by a voter-approved constitutional amendment. He also represented a very conservative district. But, basically that was 8 years ago. He evolved and wanted to come out publicly for gay marriage for his daughters.

  2. screamingqueen says

    You’re sorry now? Well big deal. “I’m sorry” doesn’t cut it. It doesn’t do anything to undo the very real, pervasive, and lasting harm your advocacy for discrimination did to law-abiding tax-paying LGBT citizens. You know who’s really “sorry”? Those people and their kids, still living every day with the adversity that you foisted upon them. So f you. F you to death, until you do something to fix the harm you caused to so many innocent people, you pile of filth.

  3. bandanajack says

    there’s an old central european proverb, teach your grandmother to suck eggs. it may be assumed granny knows full well how to get the good stuff out of the eggs and has known how since before the recipient was born. why is he trying to “educate” an audience an audience full of people who know full well what they were up against, most of whom could give him a list of ideas that permeate the prejudices of the south and people in general that drive homophobia. i can reel off 4 or 5 that he never thought off.

  4. MaryM says

    He’s an evil, opportunistic pig who deserves our contempt.

    Ken Mehlman-esque in fact.

    While in a position of influence he damaged the human and civil rights of thousands but ‘evolves’ once out of public life.

    He deserves a life of utter misery.

  5. Jonas12 says

    How come when anyone says they were sorry for what they did or would like to change the damage they’ve done, people on this site can’t forgive?

    I know you’re suppose to wait for the actions of their words, but on all this stories posted on this blog, most of the comments are about throwing knives.

  6. bandanajack says

    i don’t recall him apologizing directly to this audience for harm he may have cause to them in particular, just a general i am sorry i was not on the morally right side. somewhere in there ought to have been the words “i am deeply sorry for any harm i may have caused you, and i hope i have a chance to make it right by you”. THAT is an apology…

  7. Gregory In Seattle says

    @Jonas12 – I am perfectly happy to forgive, as long as there is more to the apology than just words: one cannot throw garbage, apologize for throwing garbage, then do nothing to clean up the garbage that was thrown. Nor should anyone be expected to forget the fact that HE was the one throwing garbage.

  8. MikeSin says

    JONAS12 Seriously, stop b*tching about other people’s comments and actually contribute one of your own that is pertinent to the issue. I personally can’t stand the contrarians constantly telling commenters to “LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!” every time someone has an opinion. The purpose of these sites is to vent, not be talked down to by some righteous nobody.

  9. Rick says

    “OK . . . I’m curious . . . why would a rabid homophobe change his stripes? ”

    When they do, it is usually because they discover that a close family member (i.e., one of their children) or friend is gay.

    I don’t know if that is the case here, but it could be.

  10. Sam says

    Good for him. One person at a time, the world is changing. We should be happy that the guy has evolved. His peers are going to see and hear him on this and perhaps their hearts and minds will change as well.

  11. Daniel Berry, NYC says

    I can’t believe I’m gonna say this but here goes: I agree with Rick: when people have a change of heart about this issue, it’s often due to their discovering that they have a loved-one who is gay.

  12. Charlie says

    So let me get this right, this guy admits he was wrong to push for a constitutional amendment in his state to ban gay marriage, admits now he was totally wrong, and people can’t accept his apology and are trashing him, but everyone adores (and accepts his apology) former President Clinton even though he pushed for and signed DOMA into law to help him win reelection in 1996? Convenient political hypocrites much?

  13. JJ says

    @CHARLIE, so you’re saying that some other people forgave Clinton, therefore commenters here are hypocrites if they don’t forgive this creep.

    I don’t think hypocrite means what you think it means.

  14. JJ says

    @JONAS12,

    1. It’s pretty craven to forgive someone when the harm he’s caused is ongoing.
    2. It’s reasonable to insist that he earn forgiveness. “Because it’s time” isn’t a good reason.
    3. Unless you’re living in SC and suffering the harm he’s caused, who are you to decide when he’s earned forgiveness?

  15. UGH says

    The problem with those questions is the questions you aren’t asking yourself.

    Forgiveness isn’t primarily for the person asking to be forgiven. It’s for YOU. Because YOU need to dispense with that anger, that vindictiveness, that bile inside YOU that’s polluting your own perception of your self and the world.

    What you’re displaying isn’t a question of forgiveness, it’s a question of vengeance, retribution, and judgement veiled as some sort of longing for a non existent kind of justice.

    Move on. His saying “I was wrong -so very wrong” puts pressure on the officials in public life now, gets people talking and thinking, and is a step in the evolution.

    Or you can be angry and bitter and long for some sort of vengeance that will probably never come, and even if it does, in whatever form, will probably never be “enough”, because that’st he nature of vengeance, it’s never, ever really “enough”.

    Forgiveness is for the people doing the forgiving as much as it is for those asking to be forgiven.

    You can choose to not be a victim by choosing to let-go. Forgiving doesn’t mean forgetting necessarily, but it does mean getting on with your emotional life in a healthy way.

  16. says

    He’s like a lot of legislators that are clueless about the damage done by their legislative actions. That’s how the GOP can defund SNAP by $39B and not answer for 1 in 6 kids in America going to bed hungry at night.
    Or the 500,000 homeless LGBT kids. It’s not their kids.

    Real harm to real people.

  17. Mundus says

    He is not seeking re-election, he has had the courage to frankly speak out and admit he was wrong, he concurs his business may suffer from a backlash by taking a stance which continues to be unpopular with a majority in the South – why are so many here being so bitter and vile towards him?

    More power to his elbow.

  18. Leo says

    ALL people like this care about is being on the popular side of things. Now that marriage equality is popular he cosigns. When it really wasn’t, he was actively campaigning against it. This is all about him. Nothing more. I don’t do disingenuous.

  19. Jenermo says

    I wonder how many LGBT kids felt shunned and shamed by his actions?

    I wonder how many LGBT families had unnecessary stress in their lives because of his actions?

    I wonder how many same sex partners died in that state before ever getting the chance to marry the one they loved because of his actions?

    You’re sorry? Yes, Hawkins, you ARE sorry. A sorry individual.

  20. Jenermo says

    I wonder how many LGBT kids felt shunned and shamed by his actions?

    I wonder how many LGBT families had unnecessary stress in their lives because of his actions?

    I wonder how many same sex partners died in that state before ever getting the chance to marry the one they loved because of his actions?

    You’re sorry? Yes, Hawkins, you ARE sorry. A sorry individual.

  21. Michelle says

    One of his relatives is gay, and he did this for personal reasons because it effects his family. NOT because it effects….oh I don’t know, MILLIONS of others equally deserving of equal rights.

  22. Duration & Convexity says

    LOL I love the apologetic crowd who INSTANTLY accept an apology from everyone. The worst gay basher or a politician who actively enabled the discrimination of LGBT throughout his career. Just them saying “kay, sorry. WOOPS” may be good enough for you, the apologetic crowd, but for the rest of us out in the field working on LGBT issues…busting our behinds to make change, while this very politician made life and our task an impossible hell, it’s gonna take FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR more than an I’m sorry! so don’t play that game with us trying to guilt us to be as “whatever” about this issue as you choose to be.

  23. Duration & Convexity says

    LOL I love the apologetic crowd who INSTANTLY accept an apology from everyone. The worst gay basher or a politician who actively enabled the discrimination of LGBT throughout his career. Just them saying “kay, sorry. WOOPS” may be good enough for you, the apologetic crowd, but for the rest of us out in the field working on LGBT issues…busting our behinds to make change, while this very politician made life and our task an impossible hell, it’s gonna take FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR more than an I’m sorry! so don’t play that game with us trying to guilt us to be as “whatever” about this issue as you choose to be.

  24. Alfonso says

    UGH, everything you type on this site is troll like. You have a religious bent, are a heterosexual (and yes, you are indeed, so don’t even try that) and supremely homophobic casual homophobia drenched in your words. We , the GLBT of 2013, are not spineless. You have no idea who you’re dealing with troll. We are a committed, strong, unwavering community. That’s what you and your ilk are up against!

  25. Creator Rachtor says

    He worked his whole political career against us and an APOLOGY is supposed to make this go away? I know we have active religious trolls who visit this site pretending to be gay, all while trying to get us to be complacent. But you all need to cover your tracks a little better. A man who did everything he could for 10 years to strip same sex familie of equal rights is not going to just get a benefit of the doubt so easily with a 2 minute apology. No, mame!

  26. Mark says

    Damage is done. Regardless of what the internalized homophobes say…..damage is done, and to reverse the damage will take YEARS of contributions to the LGBT community. Period.

  27. Junior says

    Oh, you got paid to disenfranchise gay people for all your political life and now that life is over, you want it all to be erased in a drop of a hat? Do these people really think we’re that weak? Yes, some of the commentators on here are (probably the same ones who blame the victim in a hate crime attack and believe attacker should get leniency) but the rest of us who are sef respect LGBT don’t play this. Forgiveness is earned.

  28. FIAT says

    he spent nine years working on measures against gay rights? he now owes the gay community and gay causes exactly ten years of resources and efforts, and then we can talk about this being genuine and worthy.

  29. Bamaman says

    HAHAHAHA now that he’s NOT in a prominent position to make tangible change in law, he’s all of a sudden down with the gays. When he could have helped the life of so many families with his position, he trampled on all their rights and respect. I don’t do pony shows.

  30. Long Time Observer says

    @ UGH

    Two seconds of a search on this site indicates you indeed have a anti-gay bias, and collectively, your postings are very revealing. Will be keeping an eye out on you. You remind me of another poster named Zeta. Same pattern.

  31. JJ says

    @UGH, forgiving may be therapeutic for some, but that’s not its main function. Forgiving someone tells him *and everyone else* what amends are acceptable for harm done. This is why it’s generally immoral to “forgive” someone for harm they caused someone else for whom you don’t speak.

    In Hawkins’s case, the harm is ongoing and has gone far beyond words, so it’s perfectly reasonable to insist that amends will take more than words. The belief that you should forgive people impulsively because there is no justice is self-fulfilling. You’ll never get justice ever if you’re too cowardly to stand up for it.

  32. Francis #1 says

    Well, over 60% of South Carolina citizens are against marriage equality. The damage has been done and the damage is harming LGBT citizens in South Carolina, so a sorry doesn’t change that, but good for Justin Hawkins on seeing the error of his ways.

  33. customartist says

    There are Words, and there are Deeds.

    This spokesman is one in a string of spokesmen for the Right.

    There is a clearly identifiable pattern used by the Right which is one that sends out the EX Conservative Congressman, or Wife of, or Conservative Pundit to give kind lip service as elections approach, but NEVER is there an actual sitting conservative legislator working to propose real law to provide equality for LGBTs. I remember distinctly Cindy McCain doing an interview as the 2012 elections approached saying: “The GOP is not homophobic” – unquote. *sigh*

    OF COURSE Sen. Hawkins had to throw in the “I did not do this out of RELIGIOUS motivation”, so as to give cover to any potential court challenges claiming religious bias. “I did this to comply with the law”. The problem is that this questionable attorney failed to learn in law school that the US Constitution is THE Highest Law.

    An authentic apology is one wherein one asserts effort to Correct one’s misdeeds. So fix the problem Hawkins! Either work to change your screw-up, or send me and my husband a check for the thousands that your error has factually cost us, and do this every year until the law is changed, and I will happily accept your “apology”. I’ll wait……………

    I once apologized for hitting the other persons automobile, but that did not suffice; I still had to pay for the repairs.

    Oh, and he’s as gay as a picnic basket.

  34. EdA says

    “Better late than never,” and in some fairness he grew up in a former slave state still infested by fundamentalist Christianists and other sociopaths and psychopaths.

    It IS something that he did go on the television to admit his wrongdoing, though that’s certainly not enough by itself. I wonder how well he knows Lindsay Graham?

  35. Patricia Kayden says

    Hopefully, he’ll take some affirmative steps to reflect his changed stance. He should also speak with his fellow Republicans about his change of heart to get them to see the light too.

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