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  1. Jonathan says

    Southerland might want to read his Bible more carefully. There was no work or toil in the Garden. The curse of Original Sin was expulsion from the Garden and the introduction of toil into the world (as well as painful childbirth). So work is, in fact, a curse laid upon Man (and Woman) in penance for eating the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

  2. says

    Actually Jonathan, the price for eating from the tree of good and evil was death. When I have a discussion with people about the Bible I always like to ask them why God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden. No one has ever given me the correct answer. Yours is not correct either.

  3. Chucktech says

    Thank you, Steve, for pointing out that Jonathan probably doesn’t know the correct number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

    Jonathan, your point was spot on.

  4. Jonathan says

    Steve, that’s like saying the penalty for murder is you can’t kill anyone else. The expulsion from the Garden was to prevent humanity from additionally eating from the Tree of Life (another thing people often get wrong. The fruit was of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil), which would have made humanity immortal, and thus G-d like. Angels are immortal without the knowledge of good and evil. Humans are mortal with that knowledge. Only G-d is both. This clearly indicates that humanity was, at first not even angelic in that they were neither immortal nor knowledgeable of the difference between good and evil.

    But don’t take my word for it, let’s look at the KJV. Genesis 3:16-19 “Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

    “And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

    “Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

    “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”

    And Genesis 3:22-24 “And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    “Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

    “So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”

    There’s a great deal that can be written about the Genesis creation myth about the nature of humanity and how toil fits into our constitution and society, but getting the Bible wrong on the floor of the our national legislature isn’t engaging in that conversation.

  5. Jonathan says

    In fact, Steve, you’re doing precisely what got Eve in trouble in the first place. Adam and Eve were commanded not to eat of the Tree. When challenged by the serpent, Eve added “neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die” (Genesis 3:3). By adding to the commandment, she lessened it and allowed the serpent to demonstrate by pushing her into the tree that she would not die. Thus the serpent chipped away at Eve’s resolve to follow the command.

  6. Jonathan says

    The answer is within your question. If someone justifies oppression as adherence to a moral text, pointing out that they’re reading the text woefully incorrectly cuts their feet out from under them.

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