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  1. northalabama says

    why stop now, universal studios? how ’bout “men in black face”, “transgenders”, or “jew-rassic park”?

    or, even better, “despicable you-niversal”.

  2. Hugh says

    It’s crass and annoying, but I don’t think it’s homophobic per se. Frankly, the lines read like something Jack would say on ‘Will & Grace’. Not to mention, David Walliams and Louie Spence do the same thing on British TV.. a lot.

    It’s the mincy, campy, jester archetype that gave us social mobility in the past, but now that we’re inching closer to social equality, the majority of us would like to pretend that most gays are actually butch rugby players.

  3. David From Canada says

    Not acceptable. A little bit of this might have been okay, but they go on and on with it. Homophobia is not funny. It would really make me wonder about the people who wrote this play.

  4. Lee says

    This isn’t homophobia, nor homophobic. The definition of those words is a fear of homosexuality. What we see in these “productions” is insulting, yes, stupid, yes…dangerous, no. This is comedic, and has been stated in other comments, there is similar material in many other outlets. I’d complain a bit, but it’s nothing to be up in arms over.

  5. man2.0 says

    Stereotypes of amy sort are shameful. On top of this they are wretchedly dated. No post millenial person finds humor in this. All we see are stupid actors submitting themselves to the work of an atrotious director. Pituful.

  6. OddBet says

    Hugh, there is a huge difference between creating feminine/camp characters and using feminine qualities as a gag and portraying them as negative/undesirable.

    If Superman had been turned black, and suddenly become a fried chicken eating criminal, would that be any more acceptable? Not every gay man needs to be a lumberjack, in reality or fiction, but using feminine mannerisms to mark a character for derision is frankly disgusting.

    Not to mention George Takei is a real person, and does not have a lisp, so the only purpose of changing his voice is to make fun of what the creators perceive to be gay.

  7. says

    Uh, no. The problem isn’t that it’s homophobic (though it is), but that it’s LAZY. This is the same thing Franklin Pangborn was doing in the 1930s and I’d like to think we’ve advanced a bit since then. But apparently not.

    So is George Takei actually taking part in this? You’d think he’d know better, but maybe not.

  8. MarkSquared says

    Maybe not homophobic, per se, but what worries me most is that stuff like this sends the message that it’s perfectly okay to ridicule and laugh at gay people. It’s not even very subtle at that.

  9. Kieran says

    This is really funny stuff….. I mean if you’re in seventh grade. I can just hear impressionable school kids who watch this saying, “That Superman was sooooooo gay!”

    It won’t “get beter” until gay people demand an end to these offensive gay stereotypes.

  10. JonnyNYNY2FLFL says

    Think of a young kid at Universal with his parents. If he’s uncertain of his sexuality & sees “gay superman” as an object of ridicule, what does that do to his self-esteem?

  11. Kevin G says

    Saw this show two years ago during HHN. It’s PAINFUL to watch, for the acting, the story, the jokes, everything. People walked out of the show because it was THAT bad, and this from people that are not theatre goers. No surprise here.

  12. Ryan says

    I’ve never been one to fear having a few laughs made at my expense, but this crosses the line big time.

    I never like to see people fired, but people need to be fired over this. Anyone who wrote and/or approved the script — and anyone who should have approved the script, but didn’t.

  13. MDays says

    I agree: this is disgusting. But how hypocritical of Towleroad to post an indignant recap of this show and ON THE SAME PAGE below suggest that the gay-Rambo satire is funny. That was every bit as offensive to many of us, and maybe worse given that it comes from within our own community. And I don’t think there is anything wrong with effeminate gay men and nothing wrong with those men being funny. But the Rambo short was/is a minstrel show. Anyone else notice that double standard?

  14. Michael says

    I am over how 99% of the time the gay guy is portrayed as a very nonthreatening queen. Where’s the self confident good looking sexually attractive gay man? Honestly I couldn’t care less how gay he acts as long as there’s a confidence. I’ve maybe seen one or two portrayed before but know countless of them in real time.

  15. Brian says

    Well, this is what you get when you relabel gay men as LGBT. When we tell the world that gay people are fundamentally linked to crossdressing and transsexualism, that gay men are not really men in the way that heterosexual men are men- well, some people are actually going to listen and believe us and then act on those beliefs. Someone at Universal got the memo that gay men are really queers who “transgress the gender binary.” And so of course Superman would be portrayed as less of a man and more of a woman – sort of a man/girl hybrid – once he became gay. This is the result.

    LGBT is fundamentally no different than the homophobic, anti-gay stereotypes of years past.

  16. AngelaChanning says

    The video clips are cringeworthy. This kind of comedy is always a fine line. What works in Ptown or Fort Laudersale may come off poorly at Universal Studios. It depends on the actors, the audience, and the intent of the material. Oh and if alcohol is involved. Lols.

  17. AngelaChanning says

    The video clips are cringeworthy. This kind of comedy is always a fine line. What works in Ptown or Fort Laudersale may come off poorly at Universal Studios. It depends on the actors, the audience, and the intent of the material. Oh and if alcohol is involved. Lols.

  18. AngelaChanning says

    The video clips are cringeworthy. This kind of comedy is always a fine line. What works in Ptown or Fort Laudersale may come off poorly at Universal Studios. It depends on the actors, the audience, and the intent of the material. Oh and if alcohol is involved. Lols.

  19. AngelaChanning says

    The video clips are cringeworthy. This kind of comedy is always a fine line. What works in Ptown or Fort Laudersale may come off poorly at Universal Studios. It depends on the actors, the audience, and the intent of the material. Oh and if alcohol is involved. Lols.

  20. skepticalcicada says

    What archaic, utterly uncreative, homophobic garbage!

    Gotta love the self-hating apologists falling all over themselves to celebrate this bigoted minstrel show.

  21. skepticalcicada says

    What archaic, utterly uncreative, homophobic garbage!

    Gotta love the self-hating apologists falling all over themselves to celebrate this bigoted minstrel show.

  22. Francis #1 says

    I agree with several others who pointed out the Rambo video did more or less the same thing as this video did, which is turn us into cartoons. It’s NOT about the stereotypes, for me, at least, but the lack of being taken seriously and being seen as a joke and as a source of entertainment. We’re not taken seriously. It’s proven by what Eminem did with his homophobic lyrics. It’s proven by the fact politicians go out of their way to denigrate us like they would no other group.

    We’ve made a lot of progress, obviously. But even with that we’re still pointed and laughed at by people who are supposed to be on our side, let alone enemies, which highlights even with the progress we’ve made, we’re still basically the whipping boys of society. We’re still seen as “amusing” for being “different”.

    We need to do more as a community to speak out against this type of stuff so that it doesn’t keep happening.

  23. NotSafeForWork says

    If you actually go to the link and read the complete story you will find it gets worse with stereotypical jokes about rape, black people, Asians and Latinos. At least they try to offend everybody. Except hetero white juvenile males, which seems to be the target audience.

  24. Eric says

    To all of you saying that this isn’t homophobic, here’s a simple test: replace this with jokes about Jews, or put the performers in blackface. Growing up surrounded by heterosexuals, many of us are in denial about when something is actually homophobic, when they’re laughing at you and not with you. That’s a huge part of what keeps us down. If you can’t imagine them making the same jokes about Jews or blacks, it’s because Jews and blacks don’t let them get away with this crap. Have some self-respect.

  25. Hugh says

    It is terribly offensive, and should be called out on it, but not b/c it’s homophobic, but b/c it’s completely inappropriate for a family show at Universal Studios.

    As far as homophobic, I don’t find it any more caustic than Jack from “Will & Grace”. If this was a drag revue at Provincetown, there’d be catcalls and cheering from the audience.

    The comparison with racial stereotypes is inappropriate. Black comedians don’t go around with a watermelon and a bucket of chicken as part of their shtick – that was something completely put upon them. Whereas the campy, sexually aggressive stereotypes were created by us.
    You certainly don’t have to like it, but it’s the truth. And in the past, it gave drag queens and entertainers like Paul Lynde a way to express themselves, have a career, and still maintain a degree of social mobility at the same time.

    Also, this stuff still goes on in British television all the time, and it doesn’t seem to be detrimental. They certainly seem to be miles ahead of us in terms of gay representation and gay entertainers with successfully long and storied careers.

  26. Ready says

    It’s not the camp or effeminate mannerisms that offend me, it is the notion that being or “becoming” gay renders someone weak, ineffective and useless. For me, that’s the difference between this crap and the Rambo short.

  27. Raul says

    How is this any different from the usual homophobic Saturday Night Live skit? A lot of our so-called “allies” in Hollywood and New York are cool with gay people as long as they can portray us as effeminate, non-threatening objects of humor and ridicule.

  28. Francis #1 says

    Gay people producing something like this doesn’t make it less offensive or homophobic. I’m personally not really offended but it is homophobic. Why? It plays on the cheapest, most basic stereotypes of who we are with the intent to have people laugh at us. If there was an actual punchline, reactions would be different. There is no punchline here except “gay”. We are always the ones being made into a punchline. Even the Franco roast a while back highlights it….people who we would otherwise consider our allies, friends, and even our own community members, play into the same homophobic tripe our heterosexist/homophobic society pushes out. Where we are made INTO a joke. That does not happen against other groups. Part of that is us allowing this to continue happening to us.

    Some here need to recognize the difference between joking with and being made a joke of. Kathy Griffin makes millions of gay jokes and isn’t criticized. Lisa Lampinelli has a huge gay fanbase and makes many eye-raising jokes. There is a line between comedy and being made fun of. This is being made fun of. In Britain, from what I’ve seen, Hugh, the effete camp gay male entertainers are actually very well respected for their vibrancy and personality. In the USA, we have Ross Matthews, a very nice guy, who was CLEARLY used by the Tonight Show as a cheap source of laughs. There is no comparison, especially considering the USA isn’t even close to the level of acceptance the UK has had on this issue.

  29. OddBet says

    Hugh, the “campy, sexually aggressive stereotype” predates the existence of homosexuality as a term, so no, it was not “created by us.”

    And as Francis #1 said, and I said earlier, there is a difference between jokes involving camp and making fun of gays using camp. Since you’re obviously capable of putting together reasonable thoughts, I’d like to think you are also capable of realizing that.

    As to others allegedly doing the same thing as this, I cannot comment, as I have not seen them. This includes the Rambo video, which I had no interest in watching.

  30. johnny says

    Can’t make up my mind which is worse:

    The typical, lazy shot at gays

    ~or~

    The horribly inappropriate, sexualized “theater” being shown to young kids.

    Seems like Universal likes to aim for the lowest common denominator. Don’t be original, just produce sleaze.

  31. alex says

    Just to clarify: Halloween Horror Nights is not an event marketed to families or kids. (I hope that no parent even considers taking a kid to an event where zombies from the Walking Dead are wandering about.)

    That said, this “comedy” show is sickening.

  32. Stephen says

    Obviously no one here has seen Bill & Ted at Halloween Horror Nights before. It is meant to be a crude, rude, camp satire show. It is comedy in the same vein as Lisa Lampanelli. People need to get over it. Universal is one of the most gay friendly theme parks there is. And the other show they have along with Bill & Ted is a very provocative live stage show of Rocky Horror. This event is an adults only event and there are many warnings before the show that if you are easily offended to get out. To the person who said they wouldn’t make fun of black people and fried chicken: actually they would and they do. And it is a joke in a camp show. People love this show because it crosses the line again and again. There is a strict no videotaping policy because of little clips like this that the Internet overreacts to.

  33. David Jarrett says

    I think it is funnier than funny. I love it. As a gay man, humor is a good way to cope. Pity if you lack a sense of humor and believe that everything has to be politically correct and straight laced.

  34. Jeffrey says

    What I find offensive is that Superman is essentially gay bashed and beat up from a comic “gay panic” perspective when Zod thinks he is about to be come on to by Superman. That is NOT OK!

  35. says

    These stereotypes are featured on TV and movies all of the time. Why get crazed about it? Not all gays have to be shown to be the cowboy type from Brokeback. Comedy routinely makes fun of every kind of man and woman, but it doesn’t mean that people really think the characters are what they portray. Does Lucy Ball represent all women as scatterbrained morons? Do Arnold and Vin represent REAL men, or some goofy ideal?

  36. Elsewhere1010 says

    Not sure about homophobic, but I would vote for misogynistic. The fastest way to belittle a “man” is to assign feminine characteristics to him, because feminine characteristics = less power in a social situation.

    There. See how funny it is now? No, I don’t think so either.

  37. Aaron says

    Why didn’t they make some jokes about the thousands of gay men sent to the ovens at Auschwitz while they’re at it? These people are shameless. This bigotry and hate directed against gay men must be stopped.

  38. Ethan says

    An email response from Universal, received today.

    Bill and Ted’s Excellent Halloween Adventure is a theatrical production that spoofs a broad array of pop culture icons and current events from the past year and is the #1 rated attraction at “Halloween Horror Nights.” The show is intended to be shocking and satirical in tone, focusing on adult themes. Prior to each performance, verbal and printed notifications candidly advise guests of the show’s content empowering them to voluntarily elect to watch the show. It is not our intention to offend or upset our guests.

    Mary
    Guest Communications Coordinator
    Universal Studios Hollywood

  39. db says

    When people tell me to “lighten up” it just makes me want to get even more angry.

    When people say it’s not homophobic because it’s supposed to be comedy, I just think they’re idiots.

  40. Johnny says

    Why do they never show the gays who don’t act like this! guess that would be to boring…every gay I see on TV cept for the very few are drama queens…so annoying.

  41. Felix says

    Well, since it’s all comedy and in good spirits, why they didn’t do it about Superman becoming a Nazi and making Bill and Ted work at a concentration camp?

    Oh right. Because IT’S HOLLYWOOD. I forgot.

  42. emjayay says

    Nice try Mary. But nonsense. You are paid to produce PR, but there is no way to excuse this amateur night skit from 1953. What is it about Superman or whoever being stereotypically gay that is spoofing “a broad array of pop culture icons and current events from the past year”? Maybe if you try to comprehend some of the more informed comments here you will begin to understand. Maybe you do, and are just doing your job.

  43. emjayay says

    Lee: Yes, homophobia literally means fear of homosexuals or homosexuality. But guess what in popular understanding it also means, and really moreso, intense unreasoned hatred of and antipathy toward homosexuals or homosexuality.

    Look it up.

  44. YsoSerious says

    Well, this certainly ended any latent desire I had for Universal movies, Universal theme parks, Universal TV shows.

    Parenthood
    Covert Affairs
    Necessary Roughness
    Suits
    Grimm
    The Mindy Project
    Chicago Fire
    Community and the on hiatus Parks and Recreation

    And I’m going to write them and explain my position.

  45. says

    I’m amazed some can’t see the difference between being self-deprecating and being ridiculed. If a very stereotypical performance, off-color joke, or even vulgar language about gay people is used BY gay people, or those known to be “friendlies” (Kathy Griffin, Lisa Lampinelli), you have context. You know that it’s “all in fun.”

    This isn’t. It’s a general audience show, where Superman isn’t just turned gay (which could be funny, if well written, maybe?), he’s turned into a flaming, sex-obsessed stereotype of the Stepin Fetchit variety.

    I’m surprised that Warner Brothers would lend out a prized character like Superman to Universal to have him used like this.

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