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NYC's Cardinal Dolan Regrets 'Stampede' to Gay Marriage, Says Church Has Been 'Out-Marketed': VIDEO

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Cardinal Timothy Dolan appeared on Meet the Press on Sunday and was asked by David Gregory about the massive shift in attitude toward same-sex marriage.

Said Dolan: “I think I’d be a Pollyanna to say that there doesn’t seem to be kind of a stampede to do this. I regret that. I wish that were not the case."

Gregory then asks him why that is the case:

"I think maybe we’ve been out-marketed, sometimes. We’ve been caricatured as being anti-gay. And as much as we’d say, ‘Wait a minute, we’re pro-marriage, we’re pro-traditional marriage, we’re not anti-anybody,’ I don’t know. When you have forces like Hollywood, when you have forces like politicians, when you have forces like some opinion-molders that are behind it, it’s a tough battle.”

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  1. Why is this man even being asked to comment on any aspect of what is moral and just in this country? The monumental hypocrisy in the Roman Catholic Church and its inability to truthfully address its enormous issues regarding corruption and pedophilia within its own domain make any comments elicited from any representative of the Church a non-starter.
    The emperor has no clothes.

    Posted by: Nick | Dec 1, 2013 11:54:15 AM


  2. I agree - the Catholic church should not be asked to comment on what is and isn't moral until they get their own house in order. As for being out marketed - what? this isn't about marketing - they are anti-gay / anti-equallity.

    Posted by: SDA | Dec 1, 2013 12:06:37 PM


  3. What an awful un-Christ-like man.

    Posted by: tbd | Dec 1, 2013 12:08:37 PM


  4. What a sad excuse of a "moral" leader. Blames the rejection of his opposition to marriage equality on "marketing," rather than on the stupidity and injustice and bigotry of his message. People just aren't buying the message. They know too many gay and lesbian people and know too many lesbian and gay couples. More and more people see through his lies. And the idea that he "loves" gay people - utter garbage.


    Posted by: john patrick | Dec 1, 2013 12:11:44 PM


  5. Yeah, now that the "Hate Gays" stance has backfired, let's just slime away from that blaring auto-repeat message and claim it's all been just some huge misunderstanding. And whatthefuck is "out-marketed"? You want to control your brand? Start by silencing bloated gas-bags like Catholic League President Bill Donohue (a league of 1). So, you're misunderstood, but just for good measure, you take a parting swipe at Hollywood? Dude, you've been given a slot on a respected national news show to "re-market" your image and can't even get your message straight.

    Posted by: sandman | Dec 1, 2013 12:19:53 PM


  6. Dolan should be ASHAMED of himself. He is a leader and apologist in the US of a criminal church conspiracy and coverup of child sexual abuse that spans at least most of the 20th century. The church's "official" positions on contraception, abortion, and gay marriage are HARMFUL to people. Having just seen the film "Philomena", I now know that baby trafficking for profit can also be added to the list of catholic malevolence.

    Dolan should STFU. He doesn't have a moral leg to stand on (and that big belly of his doesn't help!).

    Posted by: Jerry | Dec 1, 2013 12:20:25 PM


  7. He's just a bitter old queen, unhappy that people are no longer flocking to his brocade and smoking purse drag shows any more.

    Posted by: Gregory in Seattle | Dec 1, 2013 12:24:03 PM


  8. "When you have forces like Hollywood, when you have forces like politicians, when you have forces like some opinion-molders that are behind it, it’s a tough battle.”

    and that is how a democracy works, Mr Dolan.

    oh, wait! there is nothing democratic about the RC...

    Posted by: mike/ | Dec 1, 2013 12:29:19 PM


  9. The Catholic Church should be run OUT of this country entirely. They have no business being here or holding such a lofty (now less) respected position in our U.S. community. Christians - all Christians - make me sick. They proclaim their devotion to the Bible yet ignore what they want and take only what they can use against others. I'm disgusted by the entire Catholic Church and all faiths that claim to "love everyone" when in fact, they love only themselves and the power they wield. Drive them out of this country.

    Posted by: Mike Ryan | Dec 1, 2013 12:29:26 PM


  10. Are Timothy Dolan and Bill Donohue the same person?

    Posted by: elwoodl | Dec 1, 2013 12:37:22 PM


  11. Sorry, Dolan, but my rights as a secular citizen of the United States of America are not "marketable". They are as essential to my life as your right to practise your perfidy disguised as religion is to you.

    Marriage equality is a SECULAR issue. I do not wish to be married in any of "your" churches. Neither do I wish to be married in any church that, as part of its dogma and theology or ideology, willfully and insidiously interferes in secular government to promote laws that mandate my core humanity as something to be punished as a crime and that permit blatant discrimination against me in every aspect of my secular life.

    In a nutshell, Dolan, you are the most vile of immoral men. You fail to look at the centuries-long crimes of your own failed religious institution and point the finger of blame at yourself. Instead, like the punk, butt-boy coward you are, you mistakenly point the finger at me.

    Besides, you look like the love child of Maggie Gallagher and Bill Donohue. That is enough to say to you in the loudest of voices, "sit the f*ck down and shut the f*ck up".

    Posted by: jamal49 | Dec 1, 2013 12:49:02 PM


  12. Interesting to note Dolan thinks hundreds of years of "marketing" on the part of his church has been overcome little over 50 years "marketing" of our equality movement. Says something grand about the power of doing the correct thing!

    Posted by: Roger | Dec 1, 2013 12:54:42 PM


  13. Maybe Pope Francis could put actions to words and remove Cardinal Dolan from his post.

    Posted by: Phoenix Justice | Dec 1, 2013 1:00:27 PM


  14. "I think maybe we’ve been out-marketed, sometimes. We’ve been caricatured as being anti-gay. And as much as we’d say, ‘Wait a minute, we’re pro-marriage, we’re pro-traditional marriage, we’re not anti-anybody,'"
    - that means you are anti-gay you POS

    Posted by: danswon | Dec 1, 2013 1:00:28 PM


  15. It really is remarkable to watch a Cardinal so blatantly lie.

    Dolan's soul is in jeopardy.

    Posted by: BobN | Dec 1, 2013 1:01:17 PM


  16. Tim, darling, it's not really all that difficult to "out-market" an obsolete product.

    Posted by: jomicur | Dec 1, 2013 1:06:37 PM


  17. I guess you can expect no less from a man promoted for shielding millions of dollars from child victims of sexual assault. The lifestyle choice he has made should make him ineligible for moral policemen. Its is only because his "faith" tradition has been successful at hiding their crimes since its creation that he isn't in prison where he belongs.

    Posted by: mickey | Dec 1, 2013 1:08:51 PM


  18. Dolan also doesn't think the "church" had a pedophile problem; rather, just poor marketing.

    @ElWoodL: re "Are Timothy Dolan and Bill Donohue the same person?"

    Only when their bodies merge in that special manly union known as "bedtime".

    Posted by: Father Guffaw | Dec 1, 2013 1:12:36 PM


  19. Ummm didn't the church in Illinois have a gay exorcism? How is that "pro traditional marriage"?

    Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 1, 2013 1:16:06 PM


  20. The Catholic Church continues its cruel, and sadistic treatment of youth. Telling young girls and boys that their love is evil and that they should spend their whole lives celibate is a form of rape. By what moral authority does the Catholic Church now condemn same love marriages?

    Posted by: Ullrich Braun | Dec 1, 2013 1:17:00 PM


  21. "I think I’d be a Pollyanna to say that there doesn’t seem to be kind of a stampede to do this." - What stampede?! There are more American states that gays can not get married than states that they can, and more countries that gays can't than countries that they can. Where's the stampede, you histrionic malcontent?

    "I think maybe we’ve been out-marketed, sometimes." - No. We've been fighting for our lives, and fighting to be treated as full human beings. YOUR SIDE has been playing 'marketing', not us. This is 'just business' for you because there is really no threat to you; for us, it's our lives.

    "We’ve been caricatured as being anti-gay." - No. You've painted yourselves that way. The facts are there. We never needed to make 'straw-man' fallacies about anti-gays. You're monstrous enough without any help from our parts. The violence, the impositions; the video, audio, and discourse is all there. Forever for anyone who cares to see.

    "Wait a minute, we’re pro-marriage, we’re pro-traditional marriage, we’re not anti-anybody" - Reminds me of 'We're not anti-Jewish, we're just pro-German family!' Quasi-Nazi, please!

    "When you have forces like ... politicians, ... like some opinion-molders that are behind it, it’s a tough battle.” - Let's take a look at the number of anti-gay campaigns vs. the number of pro-gay campaigns, and also look at the budgets the two sides have to work with, and TELL US AGAIN about how hard it is for the-poor-little-antigay-bigots.

    Posted by: SpicyAngry | Dec 1, 2013 1:17:09 PM


  22. Go tend to your alter boys Timmy, no one cares what you have to say.

    Posted by: Dearcomrade | Dec 1, 2013 1:17:47 PM


  23. ""I think maybe we’ve been out-marketed, sometimes. We’ve been caricatured as being anti-gay...."

    Butcha are Blanche, ya are.

    Posted by: Joseph Singer | Dec 1, 2013 1:18:13 PM


  24. Henk Heithuis died in 1958. For years he was tortured and sexually abused by catholic clergy. According to court records, he was finally castrated to “cure his homosexuality.” This happened under the supervision of a catholic psychiatrist and in a catholic hospital. How many more boys were castrated by the Catholic Church? It is estimated that since 1945 between 10,000 and 20,000 children have been sexually abused by catholic clergy in the Netherlands alone. Der Spiegel 05/04/2011

    Posted by: Ullrich Braun | Dec 1, 2013 1:18:55 PM


  25. I'm okay with the Roman Catholic Church becoming a smaller church.

    The empty churches of Italy speak volumes.

    Posted by: Fahd | Dec 1, 2013 1:27:37 PM


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