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Harlem Pastor Defends Stance Of Stoning Gays: VIDEO

Pastor James David Manning

Pastor James David Manning of ATLAH World Missionary Church on 123rd Street in New York City's Harlem neighborhood has taken to YouTube to comment on the endorsement for the murder of homosexuals on his church's marquee, an endorsement that the church wasn't quite prepared to follow through on as one lesbian revealed. Manning takes the time to clarify,

JesusWouldStoneHomosI never said that I would stone homos. I never said that. I never said that I would ask anyone else to stone homos. I never said that. What I did say is what the Bible says, and I gave several verses within the word of God that would demonstrate why I believe that Jesus would stone homos.

He then proceeds to quite the predictible verses from Old Testament laws, Leviticus in particular, and then performs some remarkable intellectual gymnastics to interpret the story from John about whether or not an adulteress should be stoned - the story where Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - as approval for public execution. Therefore, because Jesus did call for her execution (even though he cast no stones himself despite being the only sinless one there), he would approve the execution of homosexuals as well, even though it's a topic never addressed by Jesus anywhere between Genesis and Revelations.

You can watch over 8 minutes of Manning's rationalizations AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. Loud defamations lead to violence; that is the pattern.

    This pastor is a LIAR! He knows damn well he's inciting/inviting/encouraging violence against the people he doesn't like.
    I'm sure he would see his lie more clearly if he were presented with his quote slightly changed:
    "I never said that I would stone n*****s. I never said that. I never said that I would ask anyone else to stone n*****s. I never said that. What I did say is what the Bible says, and I gave several verses within the word of God that would demonstrate why I believe that Jesus would stone n*****s."

    I remember in the Spawn series a 'priest' being interviewed by someone, and being super slick about not being responsible for encouraging people to muder abortion doctors, gays, and blacks. Eventually Spawn gets hold of this priest and makes him endure first hand exactly the types of violence he encourages; I remember he gets gay-bashed and then lynched, the whole time pleading with the mobs that he's straight and white... if only that were possible...

    Posted by: FamilyFriendly | Mar 22, 2014 8:27:08 PM


  2. Jesus also warned of false prophets - wolves in sheep's clothing. There's an easy way to tell which one he is - by checking the price tag on the clothes he's wearing. It's the false prophets who bring in the bucks.

    Posted by: Bill | Mar 22, 2014 8:40:31 PM


  3. @gregorybrown: The standard term, argumentum ad hominem, is a Latin phrase meaning "argument against a person" and is the name of a logical fallacy. If you said that Pastor Manning was wrong because he is "fat and stupid, pompous, self-righteous and a fool," that would be an example of argumentum ad hominem. On the other hand, if you merely say that he is "fat and stupid, pompous, self-righteous and a fool," that is simply an observation (no doubt a true one in this case) and thus not a logical fallacy. Making such an observation does not violate any rules of logic. It does, however, offend the etiquette police, whose official spokesperson is Ms. Manners.

    Posted by: Bill | Mar 22, 2014 9:00:19 PM


  4. He is a total idiot- he really should go live in Africa

    Posted by: jarago | Mar 22, 2014 9:19:08 PM


  5. Does anyone want to point out the this jackass the NUMEROUS passages in the bible that condone slavery and tell you how long you may keep a slave and how severely you can beat them? It is all in the Bible. All of it. God condones Slavery. Tell this Jackass to shut the hell up. He does realize that he simply chose to be a pastor. That isn't a position he got by doing anything noble or being appointed by a group of peers. One day he said, "I want to be a pastor" so he got a little "schooling" and get a job. So why does ANYONE follow people like this. he is no better than anyone out there walking among us. He doesn't have a direct link to a higher power. He is just some idiot that wasn't smart enough to get a job of authority so he gets the one job that doesn't require any smarts. He becomes a pastor and now people, for some stupid reason, give him credence as though anything he says should matter in the running of the world. It doesn't. So shut the hell up!

    Posted by: Chris anderson | Mar 22, 2014 9:28:37 PM


  6. Anyone who proclaims to be a Christian and know the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit should know that Jesus would never have stoned anyone. His entire doctrine was of peace and love.

    Posted by: Tabo | Mar 22, 2014 11:12:14 PM


  7. What needs to happen is for a great big stone to come through the picture window of his living room with him in there undoubtedly watching some on his DVD set of Queer as Folk.

    Posted by: BrokebackBob | Mar 22, 2014 11:22:20 PM


  8. First, he should be arrested and charged with instigating illegal acts with his speech (assault) and maybe conspiracy too since it's the whole church

    second, this man is obviously an idiot and missed the point of the new testament

    third, slavery is a-ok with the bible so maybe we ought to bust out some shackles and ship him south

    fourth, what was that jesus said? Let he who is without sin start throwing stones because homos? yeah didn't think so

    Posted by: MaddM@ | Mar 23, 2014 12:03:14 AM


  9. Aren't most gays in Harlem stoned?

    Posted by: bravo | Mar 23, 2014 12:58:17 AM


  10. @Chris anderson: @MaddM@: keep in mind that, at the time and in neighboring cultures, slaves had no rights at all, so the stuff in the Bible about how to treat them, while unacceptable today, was an improvement at that time (limited as that might be).

    Posted by: Bill | Mar 23, 2014 1:20:25 AM


  11. TABO, not true. On the surface Jjesus seems to be all about "peace'nlove" BUT He did speak on the unquenching fires of Hell, judgemnt to those who don't believe, etc. What about that Jesus from the same New Testament?

    Posted by: Nikko | Mar 23, 2014 2:02:33 AM


  12. Most organized is inherently evil.
    Just think about it.

    Posted by: BrokebackBob | Mar 23, 2014 2:49:34 AM


  13. From the EvilBible"dot"com:

    Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

    Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

    The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

    The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

    If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

    Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

    The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!

    What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.

    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

    You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

    Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

    In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

    The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

    Posted by: Truthseeker | Mar 23, 2014 5:11:27 AM


  14. I had a big globe by my desk once. It made me more intelligent.

    Posted by: Soren456 | Mar 23, 2014 9:07:34 AM


  15. There is no credible evidence outside the so-called “New Testament” that Jesus existed. Also – based on the New Testament – he is not a patrilineal descendant of David as he supposedly has no biological father. Even if this individual did exist, he was neither messiah nor divine.

    Posted by: Gay Guy | Mar 23, 2014 10:14:10 AM


  16. I have a soft spot for this guy because of his accusation that Obama was sending white homo demons to swoop (yes swoop!) down on black men and drag them away from black women.

    Somehow "white homo demon" delights me - it is such a succinct, vivid and exaggerated distillation of all the vitriol that has been hurled at me over the years for being gay that it goes right over the top into total fantasy land, like the violence in a Tom and Jerry cartoon.

    I'm thinking of having new cards made, with "White Homo Demon" underneath my name. And perhaps we can have a

    "Homo Demons - All Colors, All Flavors, All Textures"

    parade here in Dallas this summer.

    Posted by: E. Manhattan | Mar 23, 2014 12:19:42 PM


  17. I'm sticking to what Jesus said about homosexuality...which was NOTHING. It's a non-starter. The OT had a few things to say, but that was in regards to the behavior in social settings and regards to hospitality of the host. It might have been an 'abomination' to those frustrated old men trying to understand the original meanings, but it's interesting that Jesus himself never broached the subject!

    Posted by: oldmanriver | Mar 23, 2014 3:21:04 PM


  18. This "pastor" misinterprets the parable of the adulteress. First, where was the man? He was caught too, but it was only the woman who was brought to be stoned? Second, the Pharisees were attempting to trap Jesus. What would He do? He did say, You who are without sin, cast the first stone. I see those men (maybe even the man she was caught with) dropping their stones and leaving with their heads bowed. Jesus then said to the woman-where are the people who accused you? He told her that He didn't condemn her. I think the pastor needs to reread the Scripture he cites.

    Posted by: Steve Chapman | Mar 23, 2014 3:58:51 PM


  19. @Steve Chapman: "Pastor" Manning is blowing it in another way too. In that Biblical story, Jesus said, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," but Christians also believe that Jesus is the only person without sin. He quoted an Old Testament thing about witnesses doing the stoning, but Christians also believe that Jesus knows everything you do, making him a witness to everything that happens in the world. So, under the rules "Pastor" Manning is claiming, Jesus would have had a right to stone her, but supposedly said, "Neither do I condemn you," so he chose not to stone her.

    What we can conclude is that "Pastor" Manning doesn't understand his own theology.

    Posted by: Bill | Mar 23, 2014 10:04:30 PM


  20. TRUTHSEEKER - thanks a whole lot for that...I just sent it on to my fundamentalist sister. I wish I could read the Bible myself and find all this kind of thing, but I haven't got the stomach for that big a book with so many lies buried in its rubbish.

    Posted by: UFFDA | Mar 24, 2014 12:25:15 AM


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