07/31/2007
BBC Refuses to Ban The Game, Tells Artists to Play Nice
In July 2006, rapper The Game referred to gay men as "faggots" and "not real men" on DJ Jo Whiley's radio show. This week, BBC officials determined that "the Game's comments were very offensive, completely unacceptable and clearly homophobic."
I'm not sure what took them so long to figure that out. what they were also trying to determine was whether or not to take action against Whiley for the rapper's slurs. They decided that no, The Game acted on his own. According to WENN, "they decided not to take action against Whiley because she made a 'sincere, full and swift' apology and distanced herself and the network from The Game's comments."
While it was reported that any future interviews with The Game had been banned, the BBC denies that's the case, saying, "The BBC does not ban artists, but we do have editorial guidelines making clear that we do not condone homophobic comments or bad language, which all artists are expected to follow when they are on air during a live interview."
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Never heard of him, or it...or whatever.
Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Jul 31, 2007 3:32:53 PM
If The Game is representative of a "real man", then suddenly I'm a Kinsey 1.
What an ignant piece of trash.
Posted by: Rey | Jul 31, 2007 3:53:54 PM
I'm sorry, but the Game looks like he'd fit in well with the cast of any given Hot House video. Methinks this lady doth proetest too much . . .
Posted by: PDNoosh | Jul 31, 2007 3:59:55 PM
So everyone is expected to follow these guidelines... and if they don't... BBC does nothing?
Now *that's* a powerful policy.
Posted by: Dan E | Jul 31, 2007 4:02:43 PM
What is with niggers calling gays faggots? You'd think they'd know better.
Posted by: SLJ | Jul 31, 2007 4:20:51 PM
First, I'd never heard of him until this. But I am not a rap fan, so that may explain it.
I'm curious as to what prompted the anti-gay comments. I just wonder in what context he spoke.
I wonder how "The Game" would feel if someone stood up and referred to blacks (like himself) as "niggers" and "not human". Would he be satisfied with a slap on the wrist from BBC? That is the part about anti-gay rhetoric coming from blacks that I just cannot stand... When will it end?
Posted by: Jonathon | Jul 31, 2007 4:21:39 PM
The real question:
Will Andy Towle BAN the posters who have repeatedly use racial slurs in his comments section? It has gotten out of hand.
Posted by: The Gene Genie | Jul 31, 2007 4:42:55 PM
Although I don't like to see racial slurs or other derogatory names doled out, I certainly hope that Mr. Towle does not ban these posts.
Besides, it's quite possible ignorant fools like Mr. The Game only understand "tit for tat".
(BTW, no tits for me, please. Tats, yes.)
Posted by: Rey | Jul 31, 2007 4:51:57 PM
Jonathon:
Maybe it might more appropriate to say to this idiot that he is why many people regard rappers as ignorant thugs who are not real men, but menaces to society who are fit for a jail cell.
If we always equate the word "nigger" with "faggot" when discussing black homophobes, where does that leave black gays? The way you say it, Jonathon, it's like you're striking out at blacks in general. He didn't even take the time to insult white people--just gays (white gays, black gays, Asian gays, Latino gays, etc.) So, why must you return his insult by bringing up his skin color--why not his phoney hyper-masculinity, his beastly sexuality? Or his lack of humanity? Does anti-gay rhetoric coming from white men make you as angry? What insult based on race can you call white homophobes?
Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Jul 31, 2007 4:56:13 PM
Let's see..the BBC should ban the guy from saying "faggot", but Andy should not ban white gays from saying "nigger"....it's these instances when I can support some gays getting their asses handed to them by bashers...unfortunatley.
Posted by: Double Standard Much | Jul 31, 2007 5:04:27 PM
Same argument, over and over and over again. Comments from the likes of SLJ keep coming, though that was a great response, Derrick from Philly. Too bad it seems no one is listening.
Posted by: GBM | Jul 31, 2007 5:12:55 PM
And you know what just dawned on me, Jonathon: that piece of shit rapper didn't turn this conversation racial, you did.
If I were to respond to a white homophobe by talking about his race, his skin color--what kind of reaction would I get here on Towleroad? Y'all would say, "what does the assholes white status have to do with his anti-gay ignorance."
My very first discussion on this blog had to do with Pharell Williams' bodyguards asking Elton Johns' partner(& friends) to leave some party in Rome or somewhere. The bodyguards claimed they wanted to "make more space for females..." Immediately, Towleroad posters turned it into a racial incident. It was an anti-gay act, but how the hell did it become racial?... "how would they feel if they were asked to leave a predominately white party?" some wrote. How the hell did that incident turn racial? Just like this current incident with that pitiful excuse for a "real man". He didn't make it racial, Jonathon, you did.
Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Jul 31, 2007 5:14:02 PM
That's why when a white gay gets bashed I just say "good". with only a few noted exceptions, most of the time bashers attack the fem white boys, so whatever.
Posted by: Good News | Jul 31, 2007 5:18:43 PM
Derrick, sorry, YOU ARE A GODDAMNED MORON.
Calling a homophobic black guy a NIGGER is a tool to show him the weight of his words. And to remind the jackass that he's not so separated from prejudice.
It's not about RACE. It's about PREJUDICE and the application of those words. Sometimes you have to show by example, you certainly can't have an intelligent debate with that RETARDED FUCK, The Game.
Your suggestion "Maybe it might more appropriate to say to this idiot that he is why many people regard rappers as ignorant thugs who are not real men, but menaces to society who are fit for a jail cell." carries absolutely ZERO weight.
I hope you were joking when you said this, otherwise I can only hope that you never procreate.
Posted by: SLJ | Jul 31, 2007 5:28:37 PM
I say let the idiot (and anyone else) call us faggot and say that we aren't real men. At least we know where he stands on the issure.
Posted by: peterparker | Jul 31, 2007 5:29:22 PM
REY- Thank you for being the only one who actually understood my comment. Praise to you for being smart enough to see through the dirty word and actually think about the point.
Posted by: SLJ | Jul 31, 2007 5:31:10 PM
Doublestandardmuch: You, ma'am, are way off-base.
You think Mr. Towle's blog - god love it - is on the same level as the British Broadcasting Corporation?
Your comment is just asinine. And as somebody who lost a good friend in 1991 to a violent gaybashing, your last sentence is despicable.
Go pleasure yourself with a hedgehog quill up your urethra.
Posted by: Rey | Jul 31, 2007 5:38:10 PM
SLJ: I don't think you reserve the word "nigger" for black homophobes only, that's why I didn't take your comment seriously. Johnathon, I know from his postings here and on other blogs. He's worth respecting even though we disagree. You are the kind of white gay I've tried to avoid: the kind who thinks he's so superior but the only impression he leaves is his smell.
Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Jul 31, 2007 5:45:33 PM
Rey
Although it's no BBC, this blog generates something like 2 million hits a month, so it's hardly a pamplet either...the point is to pratice what you preach, jackass, because both are vehicles that have a broader reach than just your small world...oh, and I could give two shits about your faggot friend. geesh, what am i saying..."good". now ban that.
Posted by: Double Standard Much | Jul 31, 2007 5:48:37 PM
Derrick, what you presume to know about me personally has nothing to do with the statement I made and why you just don't get it. Thanks for playing!
Posted by: SLJ | Jul 31, 2007 5:51:24 PM
Double Standard Much:
Shut the fuck up.
You are a blog commenting trainwreck.
Posted by: CF | Jul 31, 2007 5:58:52 PM
Doublestandardmuch:
What a lovely way with words you have.
And thank you for illustrating my example that by NOT banning despicable speech and abhorrent name-calling, the ignorant, the mean-spirited, and the most deeply-disturbed psychopaths will reveal themselves for what they truly are.
So go find yourself a hedgehog, runt. And keep giving us a glimpse into your freaky (freaky in a bad way, that is) little world.
Posted by: Rey | Jul 31, 2007 5:59:48 PM
cf and rey,
Of course, white gays can easily rationalize and dismiss "nigger" by their fellow white gays, but god forbid someone throw out a few harsh words about THEM...well fuck you both...that's why it's called a double standard. now go visit your friend. oh, you can't. he's dead.
Posted by: Double Standard Much | Jul 31, 2007 6:10:05 PM
Besides, I just want to have The Game's cock in my mouth to satisfy this deep, deep hatred I have for myself. I wish he'd do me and then kill me.
Posted by: Double Standard Much | Jul 31, 2007 6:18:52 PM
DoubleStandardCrutch:
My dead friend was black. It sounds like something like that matters to you. Just thought you might like to light a candle for him tonight - unless of course you're one of those people who thinks mixed-race friendships are bad in which case you're probably extra happy that he's dead.
Either way, you will get your comeuppance. Threefold, I pray.
Posted by: Rey | Jul 31, 2007 6:40:59 PM
you've GOT to be kidding me, Rey...so now, this whole thing has turned into your own personal pity party to your friend. maybe you should direct all this hurt and pain toward those white gays who so freely call blacks (and black gays) nigger...you'll get no tears over here, dear....and to answer your question, yes, given all the indifference many white gays have to using nigger and other racial slurs despite the fact that many black gays are offended, yes, it does matter that your friend was black...and yes, a candle SHOULD be lit by all of us, your friendship is irrelevant...
oh, and the "threefold" thing...you know they cancelled "Charmed" right? the power of three and all that....
Posted by: Double Standard Much | Jul 31, 2007 7:34:50 PM
Thank you so much for proving my point, DoubleBubble.
Posted by: Rey | Jul 31, 2007 8:00:20 PM
No, Fey, thank you for proving mine. one good turn deserves another.
Posted by: Double Standard Much | Jul 31, 2007 8:21:15 PM
He should be allowed to say what he wants. But who cares what this person The Game has to say anyway? Will he produce any music or songs that will be remembered 100 years from now like The Platters? (Or even Little Richard!?) He probably won't be remembered two years from now.
Posted by: Joe T. | Jul 31, 2007 10:52:00 PM
Sad...
Posted by: Giovanni | Jul 31, 2007 11:23:20 PM
My god, what the fuck is wrong with you people? With friends like this, the gay community is dead.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 1, 2007 1:05:31 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how these post always wind up ending in the same old fight.
"Calling a homophobic black guy a NIGGER is a tool to show him the weight of his words. And to remind the jackass that he's not so separated from prejudice." -SLJ
SLJ, I'm curious to know what you think the odds are that The Game will ever visit Towleroad, read your comment and be struck with crippling remorse. Exactly WHAT homophobic Black guys do you think read this blog? Who do you think you're kidding?
It's so easy to pop in that classic "nigger vs. faggot" 8-track and pump up the volume. It's a redundant classic! But we've moved on to the digital world now, Boo. There is a whole Internet full of thoughts, studies and dialogue that are deeper than that tired bullshit you're spoutin'. But if you insist on playing the 8-track, why don't you go and play it for some Black homophobes IN PERSON? Yeah bitch, I didn't think so. Now don't get mad;I'm just showing you the "weight of your words"!
Finally, riddle me this; what do you say to the gay men who insist on calling each OTHER "faggots" while pointing fingers at the so-called "NIGGERS" for doing the same thing? What "tools" do you have for THEM?
Posted by: soulbrotha | Aug 1, 2007 3:43:55 AM
When you call one man a nigger you call everyone a nigger. I had a relatively restless night over this, having read this post late, and I am beginning to feel as if this site is no longer a safe place for gay men of color. If Towleroad wants to continue to grow its audience and its influence it is simply going to have to raise its standards of decency.
Posted by: Giovanni | Aug 1, 2007 6:11:59 AM
I'm fed up with those "low life" rappers who do their little "queer bashing" any time they have the occasion.
So called "artist", my ass...Who 'll remember them in 2 years anyway?
Who the f*** they think they are...
Posted by: taz389 | Aug 1, 2007 7:48:14 AM
if being a homophobic rap "artist", is the mark of a man, then i'm glad i'm not a rap artiste.
Posted by: nic | Aug 1, 2007 8:17:15 AM
Apparently, a real man is a thug.
Posted by: Bill | Aug 1, 2007 8:26:20 AM
Shame on all of you guy's who have turned the statement's of one ignorant man into a race war.
This KKK/Black Panther rhetoric your your spouting is disgusting.
No one of you is better than the other.
And to wish harm on each other....
what a sad bunch.
If society is to distroy it's self by prejudice.
I'd just as soon go with it...because I would'nt want to start all over again with the like's of you bigot's.
Black or White.
Posted by: griffin1573 | Aug 1, 2007 8:51:29 AM
OK guys.... here we go.
The banter in the comments on this post illustrate just how hurtful words can be. I chose to contrast the rapper's comments with words I thought would be equally hurtful to him, as his words were to me. My words were not directed at anyone else other than "The Game".
Some of you seem to think that calling a black person a "nigger" is somehow more hurtful than calling me (a white gay man) a "faggot". I disagree. Our race and our sexual orientation are immutable characteristics and are intrinsic to who and what we are. To be denigrated by others for such characteristics, which we cannot change and over which we have no control, is degrading and very demeaning.
I have a very hard time taking homophobic abuse from black men, and quite frankly won't stand for it. If any group in the United States should understand what discrimination and prejudice really mean, it is black men (and women, of course). So when a black man chooses to insult me because of my sexuality, he is perpetuating the same sort of crap on me that has been pushed on him.
I doubt very much that "The Game" would be insulted if I called him a "thug" or a "low life". He'd probably not be very insulted if I said that he was uglier than homemade sin. But I have no doubt that the sting of being called "nigger" would get his attention and hopefully make him think about how others feel when he abuses them.
I am sorry that some of the African-American readers of Towleroad feel that "this site is no longer a safe place for gay men of color." This very statement reinforces my point that words hurt! I am sure that I'd feel unwelcome at a site where the word "faggot" was bandied about left and right... but unless we're discussing race, the "N-word" never comes up. I have never seen a comment on this site that uses the word "nigger" as a taunt. I have never even seen one commentor call another one by that word. I always try to look at such things in context, and referencing the word and acutally using the word are two different things.
Posted by: Jonathon | Aug 1, 2007 9:33:50 AM
Jonathon, thank you for a thoughtful response to a reactionary word, even though I think we should caution ourselves to focus more on the motivation and intent rather than the words themselves (both of which are used in a rather benign way by members of the groups the words were designed to attack). Those who think the "n-word" is more hurtful than the "f-word" simply don't recognize the fact that african-americans and gays are equally human and therefore equally vulnerable to the pain caused by words like this. Racism and homophobia are equally tiresome and repugnant, and both serve to dehumanize a whole segment of our society... it sure is easier to do terrible things to people when you don't really think of them as human beings, isn't it?
That said, who is this guy? "The Game"? What kind of loser is this? I've never heard of him.
Posted by: Brian | Aug 1, 2007 9:59:19 AM
Oh and Jonathon, I understand your train of thought, but I doubt very much that calling anyone a nigger would make them think about how others might feel when they're called a faggot. It's my experience that those words make people stop listening immediately and go into defense and attack mode, and for good reason. If you want to make someone listen, show them some respect and let them know that you recognize their common humanity, even if they don't. The high road is always the best one.
Posted by: Brian | Aug 1, 2007 10:01:46 AM
Brian, that is a nice thought, and I agree that the high road is the best one, but I doubt that reason and common sense and a plea to "The Game" to recognize our common humanity would work either. Sometimes to get someone's attention you have to grab them by the ears and shake them up.
I don't know what it would take to get someone like "The Game" to understand how his words hurt other people. Part of me feels like he would be pleased that gays are offended by his words. Maybe I am reading way too much into it, but I don't get the impression that he's very intellectual or compassionate towards other people.
Brian, thanks a lot for your words. I am glad that someone out there can read my post and understand what I am trying to say.
Posted by: Jonathon | Aug 1, 2007 10:16:42 AM
I agree that the people who post here are becoming so vile and hateful when it comes to race relations. I live in Los Angeles and have a diverse group of friends and I've never been made to feel like I cannot trust them or that they don't have the same love for me as their other friends. I understand the prejudiced feelings a lot of black people have for white people. I can't fully understand, but I can empathize. But when some of them choose to be openly hostile when they don't even know what kind of an ally they're dealing with, my empathy for that individual erodes. A lot.
After reading some of these posts - especially by Mr. Instigator DoubleStandard - I do not feel good about reading through the comments here. I've never EVER in the past 15+ years had somebody delight in the fact that my friend was fagbashed and killed. Ever. Even among the most hateful or psychotic individuals I've revealed that fact to. (Incidentally, I've never met Fred Phelps.)
I truly appreciate Mr. Towle's blog and many of the topics, news items, and pictures, but I will be completely avoiding the Comments section now. This kind of back-and-forth sniping has become increasingly common. I'm sick of dealing with hateful individuals and although my skin is just as thick as it ever was, I can no longer expose myself to such hostility and hate. I need the constructive dialogue and support of like-minded people, and this kind of conflict - much of it seemingly just to be for the sake of conflict with no resolution - is no good for my health or anybody else's.
To those of you who do foster a sense of community here, I apologize for not being able to persevere and contribute alongside you all, but I know after the continual barrage of mean-spirited and asinine posts, I may no longer be able to take that necessary higher ground.
Posted by: Rey | Aug 1, 2007 10:25:45 AM
....so when a gay person calls you faggot, (or "girl" which you are not), jonathan whats the plan then, any outrage? for that matter when a Black person calls the Game, nigga, then everything's okay right...? or are we right back where started? SEE language IS a virus...
Posted by: yeahisaidit | Aug 1, 2007 10:58:45 AM
I am constantly bring up the point of queers calling each other faggot while pointing a finger at heteros for doing the same thing. And not ONCE has anybody tackled the question head on or given a valid defense, especially the big mouths who insist on pulling the "nigger" defense.
Honestly, if we can't deal with our own hypocrisy and slur-slinging then we need to squash all this fake indignation and STFU.
Posted by: soulbrotha | Aug 1, 2007 12:16:01 PM
If you want to call the Game a nigger, that puts you on his level, even though the two words have a different provenance.
What seems to be the real issue here is that the Game wouldn't call out white boys because that's the demographic that is buying his records and operating the industry in which he works. Faggot is an easy slur. As proven by the comments here, gays don't listen to him. What I would like to know is why fag-bashing is still an acceptable way to market street credibility to suburban white boys.
Posted by: gwyneth cornrow | Aug 1, 2007 12:27:09 PM
LOL. You're all complaining about such "vile" hatred directed toward The Game and blacks in general. It's NOTHING compared to the hatred I've seen on Towleroad directed toward Bill O'Reilly for saying so much less than The Game. (And everytime O'Reilly defends gays Towleroad conveniently ignores it). Wishes of painful death. Or Colin Finnerty? Truly murderous hopes for him. My point is that there's a whole slew of guys on Towleroad who still are stuck in political correctness and reserve their hatred for "homophobes" only for Caucasians. They're giving The Game a pass. I understand why some of you black guys might be disturbed at some of the comments about this rapper, but....I'm telling you honestly, it's far less than what I see wished on white "homophobes."
Posted by: Joe T. | Aug 1, 2007 12:29:49 PM
Careful Gwyneth! Certain people on here might start blaming the "niggers" for making fag-bashers out of "innocent" suburban white boys.
Posted by: soulbrotha | Aug 1, 2007 12:32:04 PM
Then Joe T., you must have been on Mars during the Isaiah Washington saga! Please!
Posted by: soulbrotha | Aug 1, 2007 12:34:30 PM
Yeah, Soulbrotha? Show me where they wished Washington would eat ground glass and die like they did for O'Reilly? Or that he'd get raped in prison like the little "mick" Finnerty? All they wished was that Washington would never work again.
Posted by: Joe T. | Aug 1, 2007 12:39:36 PM
"I have a very hard time taking homophobic abuse from black men, and quite frankly won't stand for it"
that's wonderful jonathan, because I have an equally hard time tolerating racism from a white gay man, ...and will respond accordingly....you are right that sometimes you must respond to hurtful words WITH hurtful words....so at least we see eye to eye on something.
yes, Rey, I enjoy this blog too for all the political commentary, news stories and yes, hot pics as well, and will continue to visit this blog and the comments section. i agree it is a shame it often comes down to this, but this is the gay world we are now living in...pick your side carefully. I'm sure I will be seeing some of you at the next race war on Towleroad. cheers to some and the middle finger to the rest.
Posted by: Double Standard Much | Aug 1, 2007 1:00:25 PM
"Double Standard Much" writes: "that's wonderful jonathan, because I have an equally hard time tolerating racism from a white gay man, ...and will respond accordingly....you are right that sometimes you must respond to hurtful words WITH hurtful words....so at least we see eye to eye on something."
Exactly on what do we disagree?
No one should have to take abuse based on their race, their gender, sexual orientation, etc. DSM, you shouldn't tolerate racism from a white gay man or anyone else. I am glad that you understand my point about throwing harsh words right back at those who use them against us, and why it is sometimes necessary to "stoop to their level" to make a point.
I am a white, gay man and a native Southerner. Believe me when I tell you that I have seen ugly racism and homophobia all my life. I grew up in rural North Georgia and regularly heard racist rhetoric and continued hostility to the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's... and this was over 20 years after the fact. Were I not a gay person, I may have turned out like the other redneck racists up there. But I didn't, and I credit my experience of coming to terms with my sexuality and the resulting abuse I received from "friends" and "family" as being the catalyst that opened my eyes to the ugliness of racism. I knew that I was part of a minority, and a very despised one at that. Because I was singled out for abuse because of my sexual orientation, it made me better understand just how wrong racism is and how damaging it is to one's psyche.
I try very hard in my day to day life to fight against homophobia and racism when I encounter it. I am not perfect, and I am sure that I still retain some ingrained attitudes towards blacks, but I try very hard to be fair and to live by the Golden Rule.
DSM, I am sorry you feel that there is a "race war" going on here. I have read and re-read every comment in the chain and just don't see it. Can we not have discussions about race without devolving into a "pick your side" mentality? In truth, we're all pretty much on the same side here (except for the creep who said he was happy that another commentor's friend was killed. That is just ghastly.)
DSM, am I wrong? Is there something I have missed?
Posted by: Jonathon | Aug 1, 2007 5:28:50 PM
Wait... I just realized that "Derrick From Philly" and "Double Standard Much" are the same person... or at least the writing appears to have come from the same person.
I hope that I am wrong.
Posted by: Jonathon | Aug 1, 2007 5:35:50 PM
Jonathon said "I wonder how "The Game" would feel if someone stood up and referred to blacks (like himself) as "niggers" and "not human". Would he be satisfied with a slap on the wrist from BBC? That is the part about anti-gay rhetoric coming from blacks that I just cannot stand... When will it end"
Okay Jonathon, let me paint this in simple terms for you….the reason you don’t understand homophobia from black people is because you continue to equate the gay rights struggle with the civil rights struggle (remember I said "equate"). Sure, if I were a political strategist I’d say “hmm how can I impress upon people the plight of gay people?..got it, I’ll equate it with the struggle of black people”. Every civil rights struggle (women, immigration) whatever does that. Fine. No problem. But everyone knows it ain’t even close, including the white fags here (given most of these posters, I’d say the “feminist” movement is closer to home). Everyone knows that white gays routinely downplay being gay so they can exploit their white privledge (for jobs, etc. But when it is mentioned it's quickly dismissed as something "minor". clown, please. So excuse me if I don’t just sit back and let some white fag whip out nigger because he feels entitled to given the struggle of a handful of gays (especially those who are only gay when it’s appropriate). And then the one who pretend to be shocked that those "black men" are homophobic. "how dare they". fag, you suck dick. just stop. most straight men will side with another straight man (black or white) over a fag any day of the week. remember all those laws being passed. they are being passed by straight WHITE men. your indignation is a joke. So you will likely continue “not to understand” why some black people are homophobic and dismiss white gay racism as “a reaction to black homophobia.” Nevermind the fact that white gays see offending black gays as par the course, which is fine as well, as long as you can take it.
you said "(except for the creep who said he was happy that another commentor's friend was killed. That is just ghastly."…uh, that would be me.
I don’t take prisoners. It’s a cold world, love, and getting colder every day.
I agree people should be free to say whatever they want. But that freedom extends to everyone equally. I don’t have a problem with tic for tac.
Clear?
you said "I am not perfect, and I am sure that I still retain some ingrained attitudes towards blacks, but I try very hard to be fair and to live by the Golden Rule."
Don’t due us any favors, hon. One more redneck makes little difference in the big picture.
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming…..
Posted by: double standard much | Aug 1, 2007 6:20:29 PM
you said "Wait... I just realized that "Derrick From Philly" and "Double Standard Much" are the same person... or at least the writing appears to have come from the same person."
I wouldn't go signing up for the forensics team just yet, Colombo.
Posted by: double standard much | Aug 1, 2007 6:28:44 PM
Yeah Joe, and called him nigger and a slew of other names.
You can't compare the responses to Isaiah inanely calling someone a faggot to O'Reilly's continuous tirades of stupidity. Apples and oranges, Joe.
Posted by: soulbrotha | Aug 1, 2007 7:16:50 PM
And let me add this Joe. Almost everyday Andy posts stories about gays being bashed and murdered and most of these crimes are perpetrated by white men. Read the comments. NEVER do they get as venomous as they do when a Black man calls someone a faggot. It's insane.
Posted by: soulbrotha | Aug 1, 2007 7:24:05 PM
Oi vey!
Posted by: nonplussed | Aug 2, 2007 9:46:45 AM
I love the race debates that get stirred up on here whenever a black man calls out a faggot. I think it's healthy people are talking (or screaming) about it.
As far as this site being "a safe place for gay men of color," please. There is no safe place for gay men of color. Gay black people ain't got nobody but Jesus.
Posted by: gwyneth cornrow | Aug 2, 2007 11:16:57 AM
Jonathon: How could anyone on this blog have so many mispelled words in their comments other than me--I even mispelled your name, DoubleStandard did not. And could you imagine any gay man (black or white)on this blog ever admitting to doing Bette Davis & Judy Garland impersonations as a child. Nobody else here considers themselves a "queen". No, there's only one "Derrick from Philly" who doesn't have a home computer, and so I stop commenting after 5:00pm, and I had yesterday off from work.
But Johnat...see, I did it again...Jonathon, what makes you think black rappers are talking about white gay men when the use the insult "faggot"? Most of them grew up in neighborhoods where the only "faggots" they saw, knew about, violently bashed were black gays. Why do you assume it's "WHITE gay men" who are black homophobes target. When black homophobes say "faggot" they're probably visualizing me, not you. But people like me are invisible in the gay world, aren't we?
Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Aug 2, 2007 12:38:30 PM
Jonathon: Now that I think about it, it's kinda' thrillin' you'd think I could be as tough and "in your face" as DoubleStandard. ...got me feelin' kinda' macho...temporarily
Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Aug 2, 2007 12:46:43 PM
"Gay black people ain't got nobody but Jesus"
lol - and an extra chuckle for your name, Ms. Cornrow, cuz it always makes me giggle.
Posted by: Giovanni | Aug 2, 2007 1:05:56 PM
No, Soulbrotha. You're either misinformed or not being honest. Which are O'Reilly's constant tirades of stupidity? When he asserted there is NO connection between homosexuality and pedophilia, or when he called for the classic Motown sound to come back, or when he admitted to a very cool (I forget his name) gay black activist guest that the police official who stated lesbian gangs were becoming a national epidemic was getting a little exaggerated..? For that, what does O'Reilly get on Towleroad? "I'll feed him ground glass and when he dies I'll dance a jig of glee" (approximate quote). And where is Bam Bam, that 'tard, who anytime someone or something is imagined as homophobic starts screaming, "That's because Republikkkans tell everyone it's okay to hate!!!" He and a slew of others don't say a WORD when the "homophobe" is black. And look up Colin Finnerty in Towleroad search. Read the comments. How about posts on 18-year-old Tyler Whitney? "I hope he gets AIDS!" Washington and The Game have had it easy on here. I honestly do understand it's depressing and disturbing to feel like you're the object of hatred by both the hiphop bunch, and then by white gays too, but- as far as the gays go- if you look at all of Towleroad comments objectively you'll see you're exaggerating the singled-out-because-black hatred.
Posted by: Joe T. | Aug 2, 2007 4:07:20 PM
Joe, all you have to do is go to YouTube and key in O'Reilly's name. It's not just commentors on Towleroad who think he's a moron:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KU02lsfH8&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctlmholr45c&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wOpbUgAwBE&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsuooIpnArQ&mode=related&search=
article:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/12/oreilly-nevada-debate/
I believe that Andy has just post another clip where he is ranting about a photoshopped picture when there are so many other things going on right now that are truly rant-worthy. C'mon Joe, a few rational thoughts do not outweigh tons of foolishness.
Posted by: soulbrotha | Aug 3, 2007 1:24:12 PM