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  1. Sebastian says

    That was like getting your wisdom teeth pulled without being put under. He’s worse than Bush speaking and reading off the teleprompter, and, that speaks volumes.

  2. Strepsi says

    Someone put lipstick on the crypt-keeper.
    Someone tried to teach Bela Lugosi to smile.
    Someone did not do his phonics to “My Pet Goat.”
    That’s not a leader we can believe in! *leer*

  3. daveynyc says

    YES YES YES finally Hill will drop out- we can ALL sleep better tonight. The witch is dead. The Clinton hating media has won the fight to bury her.

    I urge all Hillary supporters to vote independent this year- let us rally around her to be our candidate. It will be our only way to the White House this November.

  4. says

    poor baby, i really like him. i felt so bad for him. he’s no good at this. at all. i hate to think obama is going to roll over a very decent guy just because he’s no good at speeches. well, that and the press corps has decided obama is god. hey, has anyone checked o for that 666 thing?

  5. Paul R says

    DaveNYC, that is the craziest idea I’ve heard in a while. I mean come on, do you really think that would work?

    As for McCain, after seeing Obama’s impressive speech and Clinton’s polished performace, watching him was like watching someone running for the school board in a small local district. His “smile” was totally unnerving. If he keeps that up, we don’t need to worry about anything. And all the green was just horrific.

  6. ste says

    I was starting to fall asleep watching it last night, it was horrible!!! I was so glad the network went to announce Obama as the nominee instead of finishing it

  7. Jimmyboyo says

    DaveNYC

    She isn’t running indipendent

    Do you actualy agree with Bob Barr or Nader? Nader I could see and even respect, but Barr the author of DOMA?

    The scariest part about mccain’s snooze fest was the “No to change” chants every so often from his crowd. Might as well say “No to the wind blowing” change is the one and only universal constant

  8. Jimmyboyo says

    PS DaveNYC

    The NYT is reporting that it was in fact her own super delegates that are forcing her out. On calls today with them they are saying “step aside”

    Barbara Boxer and walter Mondale to previously declared super d’s for Hillary have switched to obama. senator Barbara Boxer even saying she will NOT be party to a floor fight at the convention.

    Gov Rendell a huge hillary supporter said today that if she doesn’t have any good reason to stay in she needs to concede

    It is her own Super D’s ending it. Not the media.

  9. Brian says

    I have no doubt he’ll be a much worse president than an orator.

    Besides, the last thing the White House needs is an incontinent old man peeing all over the carpet and furniture. That place would smell like old man for at least three more presidencies.

  10. Dan says

    Davey’s just a sore loser. As his own comments demonstrate, rational thought doesn’t mean much to him.

    He needs his time to sulk, let him have it.

  11. Jimmyboyo says

    Dan

    I respect dave’s passion though I totaly disagree with him.

    Grief takes time

    1- denial
    2- anger
    3- barganing
    4- guilt
    5- acceptance

    Comendably passionate DaveNYC is at stage 2 anger. I look foreword to stage 5 :-)

  12. says

    I honestly don’t understand the people who insist that Obama cannot win against this man. Especially since Obama has already defeated a far more formidable opponent, Hillary. Not that I believe a Obama victory is a given (lord knows the right wing will pull out the racist stops), but anyone who watches this and concludes that McCain is electable and Obama isn’t must either be hopelessly cynical, on acid, or secretly on the McCain payroll.

    P.S. Voting for Hillary as an independent (especially since she isn’t running as one) WOULD be handing the old man the election.

  13. Jimmyboyo says

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4705151&page=1

    Turns out it will be Saturday to acomodate more of her supporters

    Per Wolfson

    “Senator Clinton will be hosting an event in Washington, D.C., to thank her supporters and express her support for Senator Obama and party unity. This event will be held on Saturday to accommodate more of Senator Clinton’s supporters who want to attend,” her communications director Howard Wolfson said.”

    and

    “decided to end her historic presidential campaign while leaving her options open to retain her delegates and promote her issue agenda, a campaign official says. ”

  14. Tom says

    I’m with you, DaveNYC. Out of solidarity with Clinton, I’d support her nomination. Watching the male punditry go berzerk last night because she hadn’t conceded was disgusting. I say, screw ’em – let’s go for broke. Obama got to where he is by disparaging Hillary – his lackeys certainly made this happen. He’s lost my respect and my vote.

  15. Dan E says

    Tom and DaveNYC–

    If you really supported Hillary, you’d do what she wants you to do: support Obama.

    So I’m not sure what you actually are, but it’s not a Clinton supporter.

  16. david stewart says

    So what J McCain is not a gifted speaker. That and a thin resume are all the Obama campaign has. There is no other person especially a woman who would ever even thought of running for president with the paper thin record of Barack Obama.

    I want Sen Clinton to keep her delegates, I want her name placed in nomination at the convention, because by then John McCain wil be ahead in dozens of states and up by 10 nationally. Okay super-delegates and even those pledged, you decide, who is the stronger candidate?

  17. hal says

    I think we are witnessing one aspect of the McCain campaign’s attempt to undermine Obama, and take the White House. Pose as fake Dems online and have one person say “vote independent” or “vote McCain”, and then someone else conveniently agrees. You’re not a Dem if you support McCain, and voting independent will only split the vote and McCain wins. Good try though. I’m sure some people will fall for it. If Hillary can’t win, no one will…

  18. Jimmyboyo says

    David stewart

    The latest polls all show obama beating mccain by 5-7% nationaly and he takes states like former red state Virginia

    Hal

    McCain has advertised for internet trolls. At his offical web site they have even started awarding points to those that post the most. They started advertising for internet trolls a few weeks ago

  19. hal says

    “There is no other person especially a woman who would ever even thought of running for president with the paper thin record of Barack Obama.”

    The new Clinton Talking Points. I guess “empty suit” lost it’s freshness. If only Obama could have been nothing more than first lady for multiple years, traveling the world and the U.S. having tea with other leaders wives, then he could claim 35 years of relevant experience.

    If Hillary had the experience she claimed she would have run for president out of thew White House. She certainly would not have had to become a Senator before she could be taken seriously.

    But, by all means. Vote McCain or Independent, and send the country down the tubes. When gay people have no rights, when we are sending are next generation of young people to war in Iraq and Iran, when gas is 8.00 dollars a gallon and food costs are through the roof, while Cheney gets richer and richer, you can comfort yourself with the knowledge that you took all your toys and went home, because you couldn’t get your way. Congratulations.

  20. AdamN says

    Exactly Hal.
    This is not about the personalities of Clinton and Obama, two candidates who are pretty much the same on most every issue; this is about getting our country back from the right wing slime machine that is destroying it.
    Clinton as an independent candidate would be an absolute disaster and allow McCain to win. This insane option or voting McCain or not voting at all is not an option for anyone who actually cares about healthcare, the environment, ending the war, gay rights, Roe v. Wade, the economy and many more issues. This is the most important election in decades and there is no time to be a childish sore loser. Join together with your fellow Democrats to defeat the people who are ruining our country.

  21. Jimmyboyo says

    ADAMN

    Clinton could never run idependent.

    Not enough time to get her name on the ballot of all 50 states.

    It isn’t that easy to run an indipendent campaign.

    Nader started a while ago. Barr has the benefit of the libertarian party having already filled all the paper work and petitions to reserve a spot for their candidate on the ballots in every state.

    Clinton just does not have enough time to do such so she could never run indie even if she wanted to. Though I do not think she would if she could. The clintons are dems.

  22. AdamN says

    Jimmyboyo,
    Yeah I know that she would probably never do that. It’s a completely crazy idea that would ruin her reputation and deeply hurt the Democratic party.
    I was just responding to Daveynyc’s idea.

  23. Jimmyboyo says

    Hillary herself has now sent out an e-mail from her camapgin

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/5/14058/21575/931/529937

    “On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy.”

    “I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party’s nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise.”

    Any true Hillary supporter who doesn’t support Obama now is directly not honoring Senator Hillary Clinton nor supporting Senator Hilalry Clinton your own former candidate.

  24. says

    YO JIMMYBOYO,
    IVE MADE IT PRETTY CLEAR I DONT THINK MUCH OF OBAMA. I DON’T THINK HILLARY COULD WIN AS AN INDEPENDENT BUT I DO THINK SHES PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON WHO COULD RUN AS A VIABLE INDEPENDENT AND SHAKE THE DEATH GRIP THE TWO MAJOR PARTIES HAVE ON OUR GOVERMENT. ONE MORE THING, AS AN ELECTED DELEGATE FOR HILLARY I GOTTA TELL YA, ALOT OF HER SUPPORTERS ARE PISSED. THE WOMEN BECAUSE OF THE SHAMEFUL WAY THE PRESS (ESP MSNBC) TREATED HER. THE WHITE MEN BECAUSE (ONCE AGAIN)THE PRESS CALLED THEM STUPID, SORRY, NON COLLEGE EDUCATED AND WORKING CLASS. WE BLACK SUPPORTERS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN CALLED EVERY NASTY THING BY BLACK OBAMA SUPPORTERS.THE WHITES ESPECIALLY THE SENIORS ARE REALLY PISSED ABOUT BEING CALLED RACISTS AND THE YOUNG GUY WITH NO EXPERIENCE REALLY CHEESES THEM OFF. I COULD GO ON. ALOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN DEMOCRATS FOR LONGER THAN YOU OR I HAVE BEEN ALIVE. THEY ARE TRULY THINKING OF BOLTING. PLEASE DONT THROW INSULTS AT THEM IF ANYONE WANTS TO RESPOND TO WHAT IM SAYING. I THINK WE GOT A REAL PROBLEM HERE.

  25. Paul R says

    There is no problem (and who write in all caps, for chrissakes?). Democrats should vote for Democrats. If your pick didn’t win the primary, suck it up—but still go vote. Even if the Obama-Clinton ticket doesn’t emerge, will petty bickering and refusal to vote for liberal values kill you? I find it absolutely unfathomable that anyone who likes Clinton wouldn’t vote for Obama anyway. How much more do you want to see how much further Republicans can fuck this country up? Wise up. We’re all in this together.

  26. Jimmyboyo says

    DW314

    Senator Hillary Clinton herself in her campaign e-mail last night

    “I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.”

    Your prefered candidates official words. her own words.

    Your dispute is now with senator Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton herself.

  27. Liz says

    I think Hillary said it best when she said that Obama has his speech. He might make a great orator, but you can’t deny that the majority of scorned Clinton supporters are flocking to McCain now.

  28. Jerry in RI says

    The scary part is…American votes for bumbling fools like this…and ignore / abhore intellectuals who can make a difference. I don’t think we need an example do we?

  29. Jimmyboyo says

    Yes you can LIZ

    The majority of Senator Hillary supporters are dems.

    It might be a wet dream of repubs that Senator Clinton supporters will flock to mccain , a man who voted 95% in line with bush, but Senator Clinton herself has begun the process of insuring that it never happens.

    “………together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.”

  30. Liz says

    The majority of Clinton supporters are Reagan Democrats, and they’re more likely to vote for McCain in the fall. Add to the fact that they truly believe the DNC leaders as well as the press helped Obama get to the nomination.

  31. Jimmyboyo says

    LIZ

    That is impossible. Completly impossible for the majority of Senator Clinton’s supporters to be reagan dems.

    A large chunk? Yes, but it is impossible for them the be the majority since they were such a small group to begin with. Large enough to swing an election to reagan, but way too small to be the largest chunk of 17,000,000+ Senator clinton supporters.

    Reagan dems haven’t been dems for 2 decades.

    Like I said to D, you have to now take it up with Senator Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton herself.

    “I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.”

    I never knew her middle name was Diane. How often do news sources ever use it? :-)

  32. says

    A/ I WRITE IN ALL CAPS.

    B/ I THINK SOME OF YOU DID EXACTLY WHAT I WARNED AGAINST. YOU IMPUGNED HILLARY SUPPORTERS INSTEAD OF WONDERING HOW OBAMA MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONVINCE THEM HE’S THE RIGHT GUY.

    C/ WHY SHOULD EVERY DEM VOTE FOR SOMEONE THEY DON’T BELIEVE IN? LOOK AT HOW MANY REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR GEORGE BUSH (WHO ANN RICHARDS WARNED US ABOUT) BECAUSE HE WAS A REPUBLICAN.

    D/ I AM NO REAGAN DEMOCRAT JUST BECAUSE I DIDN’T BELIEVE IN OBAMA. I’M MORE LIKE AN AMERICAN WHO HAS THOUGHT THINGS OUT AND COME TO MY OWN CONCLUSIONS. NOR AM I A CLOSET REPUBLICAN. MUCH MORE OF A CENTRIST WHO KNOWS NOTHING IS JUST BLACK AND WHITE.

    E/ FREDO- “GOOD RIDDANCE”? YOU MIGHT NEED THOSE PEOPLE COME NOVEMBER.

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