Portland Group to Rally in Support of Mayor Sam Adams

A Facebook Group with nearly 2,000 members has sprung up in support of Portland Mayor Sam Adams, whose recent confession that he had a consensual sexual relationship with another adult male but lied about it during his campaign appears to have divided the city and has prompted calls for his resignation and a criminal investigation.

Adams_breedloveThere is a rally in support of Adams tonight at Portland City Hall at 5:30, organized by “Sam Adams supporters who feel that his two decades of committed service to the city of Portland by far outweigh his honesty about the details of his (legal and consensual) sex life. Our trust is not broken because he made a mistake when cornered with an inappropriate question.”

Adams said yesterday that the public will know ‘within days’ if he will resign:

“Adams did not appear in public Thursday but told The Oregonian he spent much of the day with his pastor and with his mentor, former Portland Mayor Vera Katz. ‘It’s important that I learn the lessons that need to be learned regardless of what I decide,’ said Adams, who apologized at length to Portlanders Tuesday.”

Byron Beck, who has written for Portland’s alternative weekly Williamette Week and considers Adams a friend, said on his blog, “It’s unfortunate that gays, women and African Americans have to be held to a different standard than straight, white middle class males.” Beck snapped the photo of Adams with Beau Breedlove in 2008.

Breedlove_2Breedlove, the former legislative intern who had the relationship with Adams, released a statement earlier this week (as his MySpace page was being mined for photos like the one at left):

“The past day of news coverage regarding my brief 2005 relationship with Mayor Sam Adams has been stressful, to say the least. I would like to publicly apologize to those who were negatively affected by my mishandling of the situation during the 2007 mayoral campaign. Reflecting back, I regret misleading anyone about the nature of the relationship. When the subject first surfaced during the campaign, I was living out-of-state and I did not anticipate the impact it might have on Portland’s mayoral campaign. While my first instinct was to tell the truth, I also wanted to protect Sam Adams’ reputation, considering our valuable friendship. Sam Adams has always been a positive influence and friend to me. He has many outstanding qualities to bring to his position as Mayor of the City of Portland and I wish nothing but the best for him. I hope this subject can ultimately be put to rest and I sincerely believe in Sam Adams and what he can do for the city of Portland as Mayor. Again, I truly apologize to those were affected by my mishandling of the situation in 2007. Sincerely, Beau Breedlove.”

Background
Portland Police Ask Oregon AG to Investigate Mayor Sam Adams [tr]
Portland Oregon’s Gay Mayor Sam Adams Admits Sexual Relationship With Teenage Former Staffer In 2005 [tr]
Portland TV On Adams Controversy [tr]
Portland Swears in Gay Mayor Sam Adams [tr]
Portland Elects Openly Gay Mayor Sam Adams [tr]
Gay Man Accused of Smearing Another in Portland Mayoral Race [tr]

Comments

  1. Jay says

    While there’s definitely merit to the idea that minorites are often held to a different standard, in this case I’d have to say that’s not what’s at play. I think the stiry would still be playing if it had been a potentially underage female staffer. To me, the big issue is that the mayor failed to realize (or worse, didn’t care) about the conflict of interest this creates from a professional and political perspective. Romancing a “subordinate” isn’t a good idea. It implies you’re willing to abuse position and power to get what you want. Not a good impression for anyone – gay or straight – to make if you want the public’s trust.

  2. osu student says

    Breedlove was an intern for the state government in Salem. Adams worked for the city government in Portland. That’s a common misconception going around. It wasn’t worksite related. However, Adams admitted that the “mentoring” the young man was a cover for the relationship.

  3. CJ says

    I realize some are coming to the defense of Sam Adams, however I must disagree with statements that this was between two consenting adults (or the ridiculous notion that because heterosexual males in similar positions have done the same thing, that should not give any one a pass, gay or straight).

    Sam Adams met Breedlove while Breedlove was serving as an intern in his office at the age of 17. Adams has admitted to being sexually interested in Breedlove when Breedlove was 17, under the legal age of consent in Oregon. The statement that Adams waited until Breedlove was 18 should hold very little credence, as Adams’ intentions were beyond the duties of an intern and provide evidence that Adams made the decision to wait a year before sexually approaching a minor. This reflects very badly on Adams’ judgment. It should not matter whether they waited for sexual activity to be mutual and legal, there should have been no sexual misconduct between an intern and his employer for obvious reasons. Further, the act of both parties in covering up this relationship during Adams’ campaign is atrocious and suggests that both parties knew what they did was inappropriate, not just possibly illegal.

    All of this is very prudent as Adam’s is in a career that deals with legalities and public responsibility. While we as a community may know that homosexuality does not equate sexual perversion and/or pedophilia, the fact that Adams, a homosexual adult male, is in a position of power and public scrutiny places responsibility on his shoulders. As such, Adams should have thought very carefully before making the decision (waiting a year for someone to be legal is appalling, as Adams made the daily conscious decision to wait, thus he made a bad decision every time he entertained the notion of approaching Breedlove).

    I loathe the idea that the first gay mayor of a large city is involved in a stereotypical homosexual controversy. Adams should step down immediately, if not for his own self-respect but for the respect of the community he represents (whether he likes it or not). It should not be relevant that Breedlove consented in any way, Adams’ waited for an underage intern to be legal before sexually approaching him, and as a man in power sexually approaching any employee is unacceptable.

  4. IL voter says

    What kind of name is Breedlove? Sounds like a porn star. Adams should have automatically stayed away from him simply on the merits of the name “Breedlove”.

  5. David D. says

    As OSU student stated, Breedlove was an intern for the state government in Salem. Adams worked for the city government in Portland. It wasn’t worksite related.

    CJ, you may want to reframe your argument.

  6. Cj says

    David B.: Fine, he wasn’t HIS intern, Breedlove was someone else’s. Having stated such, it does not change the situation. Adams, acting as a city official, should have acted as such and made the decision in not sexually pursuing a minor. Even worse, as Breedlove was not working as his intern how did he meet Adams? Adams met Breedlove outside of a working relationship when Breedlove was 17, meaning Adam’s kept in touch with Breedlove with the intent on sexually pursuing him when he was legal. Being in contact on a daily basis in the workplace is one situation but actively pursuing Breedlove when he wasn’t even (supposedly) living in the same state is sad.

    You may want to rethink how you view an adult in public service sexually pursuing an out of state minor, I certainly would not want someone as Adams representing me.

  7. says

    The fact that Adams and Breedlove did not initiate a sexual relationship until Breedlove was 18 doesn’t seem to move a lot of people, but I think it’s a significant point. CJ, would you feel better about the entire affair if Adams and Breedlove had met each other when Breedlove was a consenting adult (18 years old in the state of Oregon)? Then, this whole thing would have been just another office romance between two adults (who, as it’s been pointed out, did not exist in the same chain of command). What if Breedlove had been 22? 28? 30? In the eyes of the law, an adult is an adult, and Adams – knowing this – waited until Breedlove was an adult before having a sexual relationship with him.

    While some (Mark Foley among them) might argue that there’s very little difference between the maturity, psychology, and physiology of a 17-year-old and an 18-year-old, I might agree … but Adams’ actions showed that his respect for the law is greater than his own carnal desires – something you can’t say for Foley, Larry Craig, or Eliot Spitzer.

  8. Jay says

    I didn’t realize that he was a state intern and not a direct report to Adams. That is interesting and colors the perspective a bit. The reporting I’ve read hasn’t be crystal clear on that. Thanks for clarifying, OSU Student!

  9. curious says

    CJ, on what do you base your insane decisions . . or, how do you determine your childish “ick” factor? Had the age of consent been one year lower in the state in question would it have been totally fine? Is a person’s ability to function in government really directly tied to his dick? It seems your bonnet is a bit tight, even for an American puritan.

  10. CJ says

    Red Seven: There is a distinction in Adams’ behavior. Adams pursued a minor with the intent of waiting a year until he was legal. First, there has been speculation on whether Adams actually waited, and from what has been written many close to the situation have publicly stated the inaccuracy of such a statement. As a public servant, Adams should have had no interest in a minor from the start, let alone maintaining such an inappropriate relationship.

    Intent is paramount in this situation. The law recognizes intent when discerning between homicide 1, 2 and manslaughter. Adams intentions in pursing a minor is a legal issue. Further covering up said relationship maintains the notion that Adams knew their relationship was inappropriate. Claiming there is no difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old physically, emotionally or otherwise is a decision for the courts. The law in Oregon clearly states that 18 is the age of consent. As not only a private but public citizen Adams should have obeyed that law from the beginning and distanced himself from Breedlove instead of actively pursuing him. This fact goes to Adams’ state of mind and ability to make sound decision. Comparing Adams’ admission of their relationship AFTER his election does not make him any better than Foley or other individuals in similar situations. What made Adams come forward? Why did Adams cover it up? Based on Adams ability in lying and poor judgment, I highly doubt Adams came forward on his own volition or due to any conscious or remorse. If remorse is the reason, then Adams clearly knows it was inappropriate. What about the fact Adams was in a relationship with another man, and kept his relationship with Breedlove from his partner?

    All these bad judgments are crucial as Adams has been in politics and made GLBT history by becoming the first openly homosexual Mayor of a large US city. With all the battles our community has, is and will face Adams should have realized his past indiscretions would become public knowledge, especially after covering them up by lying to the public he serves.

    When did this become NAMBLA? Seriously, with all do respect, giving Adams a pass because others have committed similar actions or that he is gay is wrong. If we want to make any progress we need to hold our political figures to the same standards as others. Otherwise, we’re no better…

  11. Hank says

    I don’t think he was ever Adam’s intern…check the facts. And I think Adams story is that they met a couple of months before B.B’s 18th, not a year.If it turns out they had sex when the kid was underage, then Adams obviously has to go…not to mention face prosecution. And since he’s already lied about the situation, independent investigation of this point seems reasonable . But if Breedlove was 18, then there should be no issue. That’s the meaning of the age of consent law, after all. Adams should not be hounded out of office because some people find, or profess to find, his sex life distasteful. If we don’t stand up for that principle, then, as a movement , where are we?.

  12. Mike says

    This is ridiculous. He didn’t work for him. He waited until he was 18 before he did anything sexual. Spin, spin, spin… Homer had it right… do gay politicians have to be celibate to serve in office?

  13. Cj says

    Ok “curious”, you have your opinions and I’ll respect the law. This is about the law, I don’t care what two consenting ADULTS do in the privacy of their own homes. Screw away, fist, skat, whatever gets your rocks off. This is about Adams, an adult working in politics, sexually pursuing an underage intern from another office while Adams kept this relationship not only from the public but his partner at the time. If it were anyone else, I wouldn’t waste my time attempting to maturely and respectfully discuss a topic without calling others “insane” or “puritanical” (and if you knew me the last thing any one would state is that I am socially conservative, far from it, faaar from it).

    Truth be told, I’m really pissed that Adams’ has just passed a hail mary to the far right. I realize not everyone should be concerned with such issues, but as a prominent homosexual political figure, Adams’ relationship, whether truly right or wrong, just plays into the hands of the very people who voted Prop 8 into law. I couldn’t give two sh*ts about Adams or Breedlove, I’m pissed as hell that Adams sought this position with such a bomb in his closet. You may state it does or shouldn’t matter, but we all know that this is one more nail in our collective coffins.

    Flame away all you want, I’ve stated my opinion, and maintained a respectful tone to others, I’d appreciate the same in return.

  14. Chris says

    CJ, he wasn’t twelve, he was 17, when the mayor had interest in him. Moreover, 18 as age of consent is a bit high in comparison to other civilzed countries (are countries with death penalty civilzed? no …).
    (Of course it’s not acceptable if you are a public person.)

    This IS mind police, what you are calling for. There is a considerable difference between intended murder and and intended sexual relationship.
    Do you get that one is waiting until it’s legal and the other is never legal?

    This comparison is so bad and stupid I don’t have words for it.

  15. Cj says

    For some who have stated that Adams waited until Breedlove was legal and no law was broken, then why did Adams cover their relationship up from the beginning? Why did Adams lie while campaigning for Mayor? If there was no illegal activity, why the coverup? If the law was respected it should not have been an issue. There are too many discrepancies in their story.

  16. alguien says

    hey cj, are you absolutely sure that adams pursued breedlove? i am not. i haven’t read anything yet that says anything about who pursued whom.

    i can only say that just because adams is the older guy doesn’t necessarily make him the hunter. he’s a very attractive man and put in breedlove’s shoes, i can honestly say that, at 17, i may have found myself going after adams myself.

    but you may be right, perhaps adams did pursue breedlove. right now, however, you’re only providing us conjecture.

  17. Cj says

    Jesus, I knew I should not have stated any thing. Forget it. I’m dumb, I don’t know any thing, and the team investigating this situation is a laughing stock. Chris, I was simply attempting to state that intent is the issue, of course I realize this is not as serious as homicide, I was merely making the distinction in order to relay that Adams’ intentions on sexually pursuing Breedlove when the law he upholds makes such relations illegal. Nothing more. Let’s try to refrain from insulting others, this is simply a discussion, and if you believe I am incorrect then state so with some respect. Resorting to personal insults is uncalled for…

    I have been watching this from the sidelines for a while now and have held off making any comments as somehow I knew my comments would incite such vitriol. I guess the law is wrong then, and since other countries have lower ages of consent so should the U.S. In fact, let’s lower it to 16, no make it 14. I’m sure parents would love to know that their high school student son or daughter is fair game for the teachers and others who they look up to. I do not care about what opinions others may have regarding the age of consent or what other countries determine such an age. Adams knew that Breedlove was underage, he pursued him and as such disregarded the law he upholds.

    As this discussion is turning ugly, I’ll refrain from commenting further. It makes me sad though that others find it necessary in throwing around insults and personal attacks, that speaks more about us than anything…

  18. says

    Why did sam Lie? because this is exactly the same reaction people would have had if he had said hey yeah, by the way I had a fling with an 18 year old briefly like, oh, 4 years ago after my divorce.

    I’ve thought about it and thought about it. Sam Adams confessed to having an
    “affair” with an 18 year old former intern, Beau Breedlove. So what. Breedlove was 18, yes they met when he was 17 but seriously folks we ship off our boys to be mangled and mutilated with shrapnel in Iraq but an 18 year old young MAN is not capable of consensual sex? Give me a fucking break. While I am saddened that Sam chose to lie about the relationship I completely understand why he did. Anytime an older man and a younger man hook up people shout pervert and pedophile. When a heterosexual man does it it’s called a ” trophy wife/trophy fuck”. Heterosexual women now aspire to be “cougars” like Kim Catrell’s Samantha on Sex and the City or Demi Moore, in real life. But asymmetrical intergenerational homosexual relationships scream molestation and daddy issues. I’ve decided despite his lie (which was a bad move, bad Sam!) I will stand by his side and come to his aid anytime. He made a mistake.
    I’m so fucking sick of the ageist bullshit. It’s such societal homophobia that pushes this issue. They were two consenting adults. Adults, folks Adults, they are still friends. Just because two men fuck does not mean they are criminals, which is the implication here. In decades past this would not be an issue nor discussed so publicly. I think this issue is an issue of sexuality. How many Senators , congressmen, PRESIDENTS (Bill, I’m looking at you!) fuck younger women, interns ect. , while married in office? This was no adultery, this was a man coming out of an 11 year relationship, a newly divorced man on the dating scene which as a Portlander myself I must say is slim pickings when it comes to good quality guys (sorry it’s true!). Beau Breedlove was a hot younger guy who was smart and attractive and clearly an ego boost. We’ve all dated the ego booster, god knows mine was impetus to move cross country- to get away from him. People should be annoyed he lied but not crucify him for sleeping with another GROWN man. If 18 is not adult enough for Americans the lets recall our service men and women of that age. If they can be sent to take a bullet they should be allowed to make the choice to make love to the person they choose.

    Also Beau was never Sam’s intern, he was a legislative intern in Salem, so there is no ethical issue there either folks.
    http://dtcklaus.blogspot.com/2009/01/sam-adams-and-beau-breedlove.html

  19. ChadinNYC says

    CJ, no one is hurling anything at you that you can’t take. Your stance is just antiquated . . . not the sex part, the part where anything we do is worse because we’re gay and becomes a nail in some imaginary coffin. This is a lesson. Be honest. Come out. Don’t dodge. No one is saying that he was honest. . . just that the FOCUS ought to be on the truth not the youth. And yes, the rights of minors, the age of consent, and society’s hang-ups need to be under CONSTANT review constant challenge. That’s how we progress.

  20. Chris says

    CJ, you know that there are good reasons to cover something up although it is legal.

    Further, it is not even less serious, it isn’t even about a crime. He waited to do something legal. That’s not less serious, it’s nothing.

    Laws shouldn’t be made in that made that it’s comfortable to you. It should be reasonable and avoid personal feelings.

  21. Unreal says

    I’m in disbelief over most of the comments. Are you people kidding me with this crap? Supporting this lying douche is unreal. There seems to be a lot of misguided support after our recent defeats. Just cause he’s gay doesn’t mean he deserves our support. Did Sam the Mayor keep us in his thoughts when he chose to lie during his election? Thanks to him Dobson is loving life. Arguing over a few months in age does not excuse Sams acts. Seems like someone else is right, NAMBLA must be targeting Towleroad. Have fun with those teenagers gents.

  22. Nick says

    Again, I’m perplexed by the vitriol towards Adams here on T-Road, when on another site I frequent that’s FULL of straight men, 90+% are in support of Adams. Bizarre.

  23. Chris says

    Thanks to whoever pointed out that Breedlove did not work for Adams. To me, that closes the book on this controversy and shows that this whole thing is 100 percent motivated by homophobia. What is it that people are complaining about? He had a consensual relationship with an adult who was not even a coworker of his? There is no crime or even an ethical issue there. Or is it that he lied to a question that no ethical journalist would have asked, and that would never have been asked of an unmarried straight man in a similar position?

  24. Jersey says

    I see no reason Adams should resign. Breedlove was an adult, not a subordinate, we have no idea who pursued who and it that doesn’t matter. This is homophobia and I sincerely hope Adams stands up to it or any gay person in office is going to be expected to be celibate. If you’ve read Breedlove’s statment it seems he was perfectly capable of entering into the relationship of his own free adult concensual accord.

  25. Philip Wester says

    Oh come off it, people.

    Wow, Adams was sexually attracted to a 17 yearold! Wow, what a horrible crime! I’m sure no one here has ever been sexually attracted to someone 17 or below!

    It’s not like Breedlove actually looked like he was underage. He looked quite legal (judging from the pics I’ve seen). He looked like most American males do between the ages of, oh, 16-22.

    There is nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to someone who looks like that. If he looked like ME when I was 17 however, THEN we’d be talking because I’m currently 23 and still look jailbaity.

    My point is that people throw the word “17 yearold” around way too lightly. So what? He was on his way to becoming 18! He didn’t even look underage! He looked quite legal! So who cares if Mayor Sam Adams was sexually attracted to someone who happened to be 17 but who looked like he could be 20?!

    Yes, the lying was bad. But the being attracted to a 17 yearold and going into a (brief) sexual relationship with said person once they’d turned 18? Not illegal, not morally wrong and who are we to judge?

    Love comes in all forms, sizes, ages, whatever. Now if he had preyed on Breedlove because he was almost 18 and looked like he could still be 14 or 15, THAT would be a problem.

    But that was not the case! This was consensual sex between two consent adults who both looked like they were quite legal to smex up!

  26. Cameron Johnson says

    The fact that people are defending this at all is an embarrassment to our so-called gay community. That an adult singled out and seduced a minor (who worked for him, no less), then allegedly made a big show of not sleeping with him until he turned eighteen is simply Mayor Adams way of following the letter of the law while making a mockery of its spirit.

    And what’s more, if this were truly a relationship between consenting adults, why would Mayor Adams feel the need to hide it? He knew what he was doing was wrong, and so he lied about it.

    Whether or not he should resign is a legal and personal matter, but even so, Mr. Adams ought to be ashamed, and we ought to be outraged.

  27. TANK says

    Homophobia? The only homophobia at play seems to be coming from Adams, who made the same accusation of those who accused him while he was lying about this.

  28. NYrkr says

    I really hate to point out the obvious, but to a lot of 17/18/19 year olds, Sam Adams is a really hot older man. Talk about “Daddy complexes” all you like but a lot of guys like Beau would make a bee-line for Sam Adams and have been very aggressive in their pursuit of him and/or encouraged any interest Adams may have displayed. As Beau was of legal age of consent and not employed by Adams or even in the same office, this seems like a completely manufactured tempest that is being spun against Adams to portray him, and others in his position, as predatory rather than the purely consensual relationship it in all likelihood was.

  29. Miles says

    I will be at City Hall at 5:30 with reinforcements!

    Adams has done nothing wrong. It is his right to lie in order to keep his private life private.

    This is nothing but an attempt by Adams’s enemies, such as the Portland Business Association, to sink our progressive Mayor.

    btw there is another pro-Adams rally on Tuesday which will be attended by Gus Van Sant and other prominent Portlanders.

  30. hoppybeer says

    OK, here’s the REAL issue. THE DUDE LIED. In an open full page letter to the citizens of PDX in the newspaper Sam Adams lied. He also personally attacked the Willy Week reporter who was exposing this little pecadillo and whom is also gay. The folks in my very liberal non-homophobic office are all pissed at Adams for lieing. I work in PDX and commute in from WA so I didnt get a chance to vote for him. Truth be told he’s a pretty sleasy back stabbling politician just like the rest of them.

  31. Brandon says

    I don’t live in Portland so I don’t have a true dog in the hunt, but I think people should be critical of the mayor’s conduct. Since when did lying about ANYTHING suddenly become ok? We’ve got posters suggesting that it was ok to lie because the media should not have asked questions about his sex life. Does that mean that now we only expect integrity of our public servants when it is CONVENIENT? Is this really what we’ve come to as a society? Rationalizing dishonesty. Hmm. Exactly where does one draw the line . . . .

    Asking a public official if he had a sexual relationship with someone that was underage is a legitimate question because that relationship may have violated the law. And if Adams thought the question was out of bounds, how about simply saying: “my private life is none of your business.” Or, “I am offended at your suggestion that I would sleep with someone underage.” Lying was not his only option.

    While I’m concerned that someone vastly older could unduly influence a teenager to engage in a sexual relationship, I have no clue whether the relationship was consensual. However, if it was, why LIE about its existence in the first place?

    I think the guy has questionable judgment especially AFTER the national spectacle of the Lewinsky scandal. Imagine what would have happened if Bill had simply said, it’s none of your business. No perjury trap. And telling folks you are a mentor for someone as a cover for your relationship, that’s terrible. I am in a professional organization where folks mentor grad students. I wouldn’t sleep with a mentee out of respect for that relationship–despite the fact that I’m mentoring people that are at least 22.

    Should Adams resign? That’s for his constituents to decide. But, I don’t want us tying ourselves up in knots to defend someone just because he’s gay.

  32. BC says

    CJ: I can’t believe we agree on something! Although like others have said, I love that there is a gay mayor of a major city, however, he needs to be held to the SAME standard as anyone else. An adult straight politician who “waited” till a girl was 18 would be considered a pervert, even a predator. I do not believe that Mr. Adams is either pervert or predator, however it shows bad judgment.

    I’m sure we all have seen some very attractive, “older looking” 16 or 17 year olds in our time as out adults. But those of us with good judgment decide that we cannot persue the issue and then let it drop. Someone in politics in this day and age ought to know that every single action will be under a microscope – ESPECIALLY when he is gay and the misconduct involves sex. If he wrote a bad check, big deal.

    I truly do not think this is a Gay issue (like Prop 8 or other civil rights). I really see this as an ethical issue. He is not being attacked because he is gay. He is being attacked because of his poor judgment. I’m not sure if he should resign, and frankly it won’t affect my life if he does or doesn’t. But I don’t like seeing people in the gay community supporting ANYONE just because they are gay. Even if they do something wrong.

  33. TANK says

    Asking him if he had sex with an underaged person is basically the equivalent of asking if he’d broken the law. That’s a legitimate question. But, if we assume only what we’ve evidence to assume, he told the truth when he said no.

    Now, imagine someone coming up to you on the street and asking if you slept with someone. Perfect stranger asking you. You could say it’s none of your business, but if you could say that, why couldn’t you lie? If they don’t have the right or ethical claim to know in the first place, then misleading them (keeping them ignorant) is permissable if no laws were broken and no one was harmed. That is perfectly consistent with integrity we hold to our elected officials and ourselves.

    Once again, it is the way that Adams lied (demonizing those who accused him by calling them homophobic, thus trivializing homophobia) that he is at fault for, not that he lied. Nuance, people…it’s the stuff of ethical reasoning.

  34. TANK says

    And if we’re going to talk about power imbalances in relationships…we’re going to have a very gray time of it. Intelligence creates a power imbalance in relationships of people of the same age. Experience–where the younger party is more experienced than the older….that’s a particularly worthless point.

  35. Robert Scoles says

    What kills me is that that who you have sex with is really a personal matter. I don’t see that it should ever a matter of debate. There is nothing that says you have to answer this question. I do not know how many men I have seen get into a problem with this question, where they tell the truth or not. Although I think too often the first response is the little boy who doesn’t want to get into trouble so he lies.

  36. Jay says

    Tank: you’re right. It’s a very gray area when examining that power imbalance issue. Precisely why someone running for public office, knowing fully how intrusive press can be, should consider the appearance of things before taking action. I don’t know if he’s telling the truth or not about Beau Breedlove’s age at the time. Likewise, I have no idea if Breedlove is/was emotionally mature for his age. I just know that, as you stated so well, Adam’s attack while lying about his actions makes it all look bad. It’s all about perception when you’re in the public eye.

  37. Will says

    All this does is reinforce my belief that I would never want to be a politician. Many of you Americans are nuts, constantly expecting your politicians to be virtuous angels. What a load of crap. Plus, this whole, ahem, affair stinks to high heaven of homophobia. First you argue that it was inappropriate since he was the kid’s boss. Since that is not the case, now its all about some older man being a perv with a younger man. Christ, this puritanical country drives me batshit crazy.

    I suugest we start with the proposition that the question should never have been asked in the first place because it was inappropriate. If any mistake was made, or if anything illegal happened, it was that the mayor was stupid to answer the question. And stupidity is not a “firing” offence when it comes to politicians.

  38. Will says

    BTW, did any of you think that it is because this country is soooo homophobic and puritanical that he felt he had to lie??

    What also drives me batshit crazy is this constant projection that if a gay person does something bad, it reflects badly on all gays. And, boy, are some of you projecting when it comes to being afraid to be in any way associated with someone who had sex with a legal 18 year old. Judge, judge, judge. That is the one thing this country does better than killing people.

  39. Aiden Raccoon says

    I am seriously on the fence with this one. I think what I am going to have to say is to let Adams keep his job. I don’t like the fact that this is a stereotypical incident, but I would also not want him to go out on this lingering in everyone’s minds either. Give him a chance to do a good job and be remembered for that.

    It may be naive to assume that he didn’t have sex with the 17 year old but there isn’t any facts backing this up so that is not a crime that should be brought up. I hope he stays in office I think.

  40. CJ says

    Honestly, I love your comment, and I quote “It will make you look more smarter.” More smarter… Um, ok. Wasn’t that a quote in “Drop Dead Gorgeous”?

    Moving on. I’m glad at least some people have seen my point. As I was attempting to state, it’s not about Adams having sex with a 17/18/19 year old, but about his deception, and attempts at hiding it then screaming homophobia to those questioning his actions. Adams lied about a legitimate issue during his campaign, then hid behind a real issue that many gay men and women face every day. Adams should be ashamed… and so should those who have defended his actions.

  41. Philip Wester says

    @CJ

    Oh, it’s NOT about Adams having sex with someone 17/18/19? Then what the HELL was all that ranting about being sexually attracted to a 17 yearold (who looked legal) and NAMBLA? I love revisionist history!

    He lied, yeah. And that’s not to be defended. No one’s claimed otherwise. YOU, however, jumped down his (and OUR) throat for a lot of stuff besides lying.

    Your comments haven’t magically disappeared.

  42. Cj says

    Philip, reread my comments. I never retracted my statement regarding his predatory relationship with a minor, I simply reiterated my other point that so many glossed over. I suppose it’s easier to focus on what aligns with your own beliefs and to disregard the rest, I never claimed to disregard anything I stated since, as you so calmly pointed out, my comments would prove otherwise. I simply reiterated my other points that others reiterated with their commentary… Why are people attacking others over this ridiculous issue? Does the anonymity of the internet make it easier to lash out?

    There’s a lot of anger going on, a lot of people seem to be taking this personally. Breath, relax, less caffeine might help…

  43. So Left I'm Right says

    CJ, if the age of consent was 17, would that make a difference? The age of consent is a fairly arbitrary number. No one claims to have been exploited or abused here, and in point of fact, there doesn’t seem to be any actual crime committed based on the arbitrary age of consent of 18 in this particular location. Bad judgement, for sure, but you’re essentially accusing him of a thought crime. There are 25 year olds who look 16, and 15 year olds who look 21. The facts matter, not mere thoughts of attraction.

  44. says

    “Ok “curious”, you have your opinions and I’ll respect the law. This is about the law,”

    OK, CJ — before 2003 does that mean you didn’t have sex in states where sodomy was against the law? Because it was still against the law in many states.

    When people say “it’s not about the sex, it’s about lying” (Clinton, anyone?) it’s ALWAYS about the sex. It’s as clear a sign to me as beginning a sentence with “I’m not homophobic, but…” which is always homophobic.

    Get over sex phobia, guys, and your lives will be happier.

  45. TANK says

    Endorsing “arbitrary” age of consent laws does not equate to sexphobia. This and the multicult arguments are the same offered by the NAMBLA people, and doing it is deeply misguided for many reasons…not the least of which is confirmation of the gay man=pederast stereotype.

    Of course ages of consent varies from state to state and country to country, but study after study after study indicates lasting psychological trauma for minors who have sex with sig older people (penetrative sex, esp.). And notice that there aren’t any–or many–age of consent laws that surpass twenty…they all seem to be pretty close in proximity to each other, which, when averaged, indicates anything but an arbitrary number. This traverses the cultural “divide”–mere irrelevant exotica played up by certain cultural anthrops to shock people. Exceptions? Yeah.

    But there is no evidence–NONE–to suggest that adams broke the law here. Until you can provide any evidence that would be admissable in court, shut the hell up about it, and concern yourselves with the facts, not the speculation.

  46. CJ says

    Let’s stay on topic here, this is not about me, this is about Adams. If everyone wishes to play the numbers game, great, go at it. Comparing this to Clinton is different as I do not care what two CONSENTING ADULTS do in their own homes. I would not want my teenager (yes, 17-18 is still a teenager) to be chased by a 40-something year old man. There is a reason why laws exist to PROTECT minors from adults, emotional maturity and authoritative abuse. I’m disgusted that people claim I am being puritanical because I would not want my teenager to be preyed upon by someone not only more than twice their age, but as a public servant holds other people to laws they themselves should abide. This is not about “thought police” (how trite), Adams did not simply THINK about having sex with Breedlove, he met him at 17 and acted by keeping in touch with a minor with the intent on having sex at 18 (and to actually believe they waited is ludicrous). Adams THOUGHTS did not force him to prey upon a minor, Adams’ actions did, and as such he should have stayed away from Breedlove from the beginning. There are laws protecting minors for a reason, and comparing this to sodomy laws is comparing apples to oranges. There is no comparison.

    Further, the guy not only lied during his campaign, he cried wolf by claiming homophobia as the reason when quite frankly that’s an insult to actual acts of homophobia. The guy got caught with his hands in the proverbial cookie jar, I don’t give a sh*t what he “claims”. First he lied to everyone, not just in public but in a written, published letter and made it record. Now we’re supposed to believe he waited before sleeping with a kid (and please, enough with the bull#s*&t arguments about age and law, whether you agree with it or not, it’s the law, if you take issue with it file suit)??? It’s public record that Adam’s has been unfaithful to his boyfriends, he lied numerous times regarding this relationship and now we’re supposed to believe him???

    Yeah, I’m pissed that a public figure, the first openly gay mayor of a large city has been caught in a lie. This paints a bad picture for our community if we don’t hold him to the same standards and laws that we seem all to eager to apply to others such as Sen. Craig, Foley, etc. I’m more pissed that people seem to be giving him a pass because he’s gay. There are more important issues and battles out there guys, holding a freakin’ rally in support of a guy who lied about a sexual relationship just because he’s gay doesn’t make much sense. How about getting on the bandwagon for the numerous appeals on Prop 8, or what about the numerous victims of hate that are unreported each day?

    I’m sorry I finally voiced my opinion on this matter, it seems a lot of people feel very passionately about a mayor who lied about sleeping with a 17 or 18 or whatever year old kid. Kudos, we should be so proud we have come this far.

  47. BC says

    Again CJ, still agreeing with you here. Points very well made. People are being so quick to make it a homophobic issue. Of course for some nutcases it is about the gay aspect of it. But for me, its about a political figure having sex with a teenager then covering it up. Regardless of sex or orientation. People here do seem to be giving him a pass because he is gay and/or because he is a deomocrat. If we want full acceptance, we need to hold our community members to the same standards as anyone else.

  48. TANK says

    So, CJ, why are all legal relationships sexaul between an 18 year old and a 42 year old are wrong? Are they all (LEGAL relationships) exploitative and harmful to the younger party? No. Personally, they’re pretty disgusting, but ethically, what’s the problem? Also, no to wanting my fictional kids to do that (I’d break the old’s legs), but nonetheless, no ethical problem originates solely from my “distaste,” however extreme.

    Once again, lying about who you sleep with is permissable if no laws were broken and no one was harmed based on the fact that strangers do not have any claim in knowing. “It’s none of your business,” is to scream yes.

    We both agree that the way he lied–playing the queer card and branding his detractors with the big H, is inexcusable. Enough to resign? I don’t think so.

  49. Philip Wester says

    CJ, SHUT UP!

    Beau was of LEGAL age when Sam “preyed” upon him! LEGAL age. Now who CARES what YOU want and don’t want for your (future?) kids?

    Sam did NOTHING illegal here. So unless you have some magical proof that he pursued Beau sexually when he was still 17, SHUT UP about it.

    So what if he’s a public official? He didn’t actually break any laws! He just broke an arbitrary taboo where people think 18 yearolds shouldn’t be pursued by 40 yearolds.

    Some people just fall in love. If I fall in love with someone twice my age, I won’t CARE they’re twice my age, especially not if they love me back.

    Sam did nothing illegal, he wasn’t attracted to Beau because Beau looks 13 or something and STOP bringing NAMBLA up.

    NAMBLA wants to have sex with little children, not teenagers close to or actually ABOVE the age of consent, both in actual age and appearance.

    Pedophilia is about degree of development, they want kids who LOOK like kids. Beau was neither an actual kid when he had sex with Sam and he certainly didn’t LOOK like a kid.

    CJ, stop… talking… now. Unless all you’re going to complain about is Adams lying. Because that’s all you have, a tiny lie about something not at all illegal.

  50. CJ says

    Philip, you’re showing your ignorance. I’m happy you found the caps lock key, although resorting to anger and online ranting on the same talking points simply demonstrates your lack of knowledge on this subject.

    Adams is a public servant, who should abide by the same laws he upholds. No 40+ year old public servant should ever be interested in/pursuing a 17 year old, I do not give a crap what you think about the law. It’s the law, if you have a problem with it, then take it to the courts. Adams lied numerous times, and used homophobia as a claim to hide behind his deceit, which is an insult to all of those who have been victims of hate.

    Off the record, I am just one of many who have posted comments disagreeing with your attempt to defend Adams. Why have you personally targeted me? Why do you seem to take this so personally?

    Either way, I’m done here, now shoo.

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