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  1. Ben Layvey says

    I would have arrested him too! I don’t want my armed civil servants acting like Judy Garland’s purse fell out their mouth! And that’s only one charge amongst others I would arrest the fool for!

  2. bading says

    Billy, go fuck yourself!

    Having said that, does anyone have any suggestions on what can be done here? Email or call the Saudi embassy? Reading posts like this and not knowing how to help is so frustrating.

  3. AdamN says

    Uh did any of you guys read the post?? Kind of missing the point… Despite what you like or do not like about the video and the performance (who cares?), the fact remains that someone was actually arrested for this. That is absolute insanity.

  4. Ryan says

    If the king gives you a bunch of money every year at the cost of some freedoms. Well, at least don’t make videos that would make the king angry. If chewing gum is illegal in Singapore, don’t chew gum.

  5. konrad says

    Wow, the comments on this posting have reached a new level of shallow, which is saying a lot for this site. This guy was pretty stupid for making something like this public in Saudi Arabia, but seriously–no one has a problem with the idea that someone could get arrested for this? Or the fact that the Saudi king effectively dictates an oppressive, deadly policy against gays in Saudi Arabia? Or that the US is a major trading and diplomatic partner with this country? I guess that’s no surprise if some of the commenters here actually consider their sexual orientation on a par with “chewing gum.”

  6. says

    Bading, the Saudi government is not concerned with the opinions of decadent American infidels. If you want to express your disapproval, buy a fuel-efficient or use public transportation.

  7. Chitown Kev says

    No doubt, he was stupid for making something like this, especially considering that he was released on bail from a previous charge of homosexuality.

    Which in Saudi Arabia, is a slap on the wrist (and also a sign that his father must be somebody).

    It’s the previous arrest part of this whole case with Miss Thang here that gets me (if that’s to be believed). And don’t neglect the other 2 charges as well.

  8. Observer1000 says

    I dunno. I’m actually quite impressed that someone has the courage to make and post such a video in Saudi Arabia. Obviously, the personal ramifications will be horrible. I say – you go girl!

  9. josepe says

    well is sad US won’t do anything about it.
    but i want the name of the song or the remix it sounds good, please anybody?
    we cannot be policed anywhere in the world,
    as we speak our rights are being removed from us without even knowing

  10. Derrick from Philly says

    Hey, Ben & Billy:

    I got a question for you: how come in the most repressive anti-gay regimes it seems that it’s the “stereotypical” feminine guys who take the initial great risks? NOT ALWAYS-but often. Even in the United States in the 1960s and before–it was often the Judy Garland worshipping queens who made a repressed society say, ” oh my, they really do exist.”

    Then a few decades later, the “normal acting” gay men come out of the closet to announce “I’m tired of being treated as a 2nd class citizen….hold my gym bag.”

  11. Chitown Kev says

    And I am by no means saying that he “deserved it” (although there are jurisdictions in America where you can be arrested for impersonating a police or security officier, especially in the process of committing a crime).

    Also I do remember reading the Atlantic article (I believe) on some of the “brazen” behavior by gay men in SA (well, considering that it’s Saudi Arabia). This is probably more common there than we would suspect (they do have adult book stores in Riyadh, if I remember the article correctly).

  12. says

    @KONRAD: It is a horrible system, but, it is theirs. I like at crazy shit from around the world (Uganda anyone?), yet, we can’t go around imposing our values everywhere. Gotta start at home.

    My friend is a LGBT Disabled activist. In his small town in Kansas, he had an HIV test taken w/o his permission and then the hospital administration told the staff to be aware of him because he was Gay and posed a threat to the staff. EVEN THOUGH HE TESTED NEGATIVE. He went to all of the big Gay Inc “DONATE NOW” places and they told him that unless he could prove that he didn’t give the hospital permission to broadcast that info, he was out of luck.

    Honestly, we have plenty of work to do here before we go off into Saudi trying to change their laws and values.

    Little sidebar: I worked for a Bandar (top of the food chain in Saudi) and the minute they stepped off of their A3440, the tight jeans came on and the Chadors got thrown at the maids

  13. luke says

    To some of the above. The lack of sympathy here is repugnant. Just because something is law, doesn’t make it right. Here in the UK I’m married to my man, yet your country doesn’t allow it. Perhaps you don’t have the same rights as us because you take repression so lightly.

    Not feeling repulsed by this is the same as being gay-bashed in your neighbourhood and saying you had it coming for being nelly.

    Saudia Arabia is an evil and barbaric country and your lack of empathy for a fellow gay man suffering there for having fun makes me grateful for not having to rely on support for rights from you.

  14. daftpunkydavid says

    luke,
    though i share your overall point, wouldn’t it be fairer to say that you have a civil partnership in the uk? civil marriage for same sex couples does not exist in the uk. (now, in some us states, and in other countries, you do have full equality in marriage laws)

  15. TANK says

    These backward states that uphold human rights violations deserve no respect, for they have defined themselves outside of ethics. Use them as you like, and we do. This has come to be a mutually satisfactory arrangement between OPEC nations and the u.s. However, there is such a thing as cultural superiority, and this is a perfect example of an inferior culture and state. These charges could get this man executed-beheaded in SA.

    I do think we have the right to impose our values on evil states, just as we can and do with evil people. We execute murderers in this country. We have taken the right–as has every state–to deliver justice. The same can be and has been extended to other states. So don’t argue about the “right” to do it. We also have the right to pull aid from Uganda if they pass the kill the gays bill. In fact, not only have we the right, but we have the obligation.

    There is no reasoning with a state or people that sanctions the murder of others because they are gay. Full stop. They have willfully defined themselves outside of ethics in so doing, and are not entitled to ethical treatment by others. They are not to be considered, in fact, beyond what they can be used to do (like objects). IT is a very precarious place to be, with regard to ethics: not human nor other animal, and yet sentient.

  16. Chitown Kev says

    @daftpunkydavid

    I get where you are coming from, but TRUE marriage equality exists nowhere in the US because of DOMA, to be technical about it.

    @Tank
    There are so many problems with what you wrote.

    Mainly, in SA, it depends on who you are and what you have as far as issues of crime and punishment goes, even for this.

    Which in some ways, is not totally unlike the US (or any other civilization, for that matter)

  17. TANK says

    “There are so many problems with what you wrote.”

    This isn’t an argument.

    “Mainly, in SA, it depends on who you are and what you have as far as issues of crime and punishment goes, even for this.”

    This actually makes it worse. Nonsequitur that addresses no problem in what I wrote.

    “Which in some ways, is not totally unlike the US (or any other civilization, for that matter)”

    This is a separate problem…so what is the issue with what I wrote, kev?

  18. TANK says

    Other than the fact that you don’t like it because it offends some kind of multicultural/pluralistic sensibility of yours, I’d expect an actual argument from you if, according you, there are “so many problems with what I wrote”.

  19. daftpunkydavid says

    right, chitown kev,

    there’s doma in the us; and that’s a problem. but there’s no doma in canada, or in spain, etc.. my point is that it’s unfair to say that your country has full marriage equality because its citizens don’t take repression lightly when in fact full marriage equality does not exist.

    the us federal government does not issue marriage licenses; so, despite doma, whatever state does pass marriage equality does in fact more than the uk because they have actually said we will not make any difference whatsoever between the 2, not even in name. the federal doma is not the individual states’ fault so to speak, even though in the end, as you point out, it results in rendering marriage equality null at the federal level; something the gill lawsuit by glad is challenging by the way.

  20. Lexxvs says

    I think she is having a rough time right now. She will be punished with many lashes at least. And obviously her family will also suffer from shunning.
    There is nothing that can be done to change that country, where wahhabism is in power.

  21. Tom says

    It seems that with all the glib insightful commentary here, some appear ignorant or unconcerned by the fact that, like in Iran and other shit hole middle eastern countries, the penalty for “homosexual acts” can result in a sentence of death by hanging or beheading. Funny?

  22. Tom says

    And as a follow up, I guarantee that “she” – whether “she” gets the death sentence or not – is getting the shit beat out of her in prison right now or worse. Funny?

  23. ANDY IN INDY says

    wow glass houses, a lot of these comments seem to have an anti homosexual tone to them as well, referring to a man as if he were a woman. Don’t be so pious about another country’s laws if you’re not doing it right yourself. Its terrible that anyone should be punished for being who they are. It’s sad that the people who should be the most understanding are poking fun at his sexual preference. If you want to change the world, you need to start with the world around you (thought about making an M.J. reference).

  24. Chitown Kev says

    @Tank

    These backward states that uphold human rights violations deserve no respect, for they have defined themselves outside of ethics.- As if the Bush Administration didn’t uphold “human rights violations.”

    By your standard, I could say that at least Sadaam left the gays alone (unless they were Kurdish or Shia).

    “There is no reasoning with a state OR people that sanctions the murder of others because they are gay. Full stop.”- My emphasis there on the OR…as if we don’t have people here that sanction the murder of gays.

    Pastor Steven Anderson anyone?

    And surely Tank you should know that for all of the “enlightment” of Europe…the is an underbelly of hatred and bigotry.

  25. TANK says

    “As if the Bush Administration didn’t uphold “human rights violations.”

    Hyperbole is unbecoming. Surely you recognize the difference between a state that executes gay people because they’re gay and one that does not. But maybe you don’t. Maybe hyperbole is reality for you, and you think that the prisoner tortures at gitmo are equivalent to state sponsored executions of gay people. Is that what you believe? That the war on terror=sharia law?

    “By your standard, I could say that at least Sadaam left the gays alone (unless they were Kurdish or Shia).”

    What is my standard? I don’t think you quite understand it given this remark in particular.

    “My emphasis there on the OR…as if we don’t have people here that sanction the murder of gays.”

    And there’s no reasoning with them, either. But the difference is that their believes aren’t translated into the law the land.

    “And surely Tank you should know that for all of the “enlightment” of Europe…the is an underbelly of hatred and bigotry.”

    Ya know, kev, I never took you for a flat earther (or someone who denies that the earth is round). In this case, you seem to be draw a parallel between western european countries, and even eastern, actually–and muslim theocracies with regard to their treatment of gays. Now, there’s a difference between homosexuality being illegal and punishable by death (which it routinely is in muslim theocracies), and a few bigots. IN eastern europe, how many people are tortured and executed for being gay by the state each year? I don’t think you’ll be able to come up with an answer to that. No, kevin, there is a difference…a tremendous difference between how the muslim world treats gay people and how the western world does. Don’t be a flat earther, it’s embarrassing. I don’t find many intelligent people in that camp.

  26. Chitown Kev says

    Ah, I knew I could find this (I should have searched for this first):

    “The gay men I interviewed in Jeddah and Riyadh laughed when I asked them if they worried about being executed. Although they do fear the mutawwa’in to some degree, they believe the House of Saud isn’t interested in a widespread hunt of homosexuals. For one thing, such an effort might expose members of the royal family to awkward scrutiny. “If they wanted to arrest all the gay people in Saudi Arabia,” Misfir, my chat-room guide, told me—repeating what he says was a police officer’s comment—“they’d have to put a fence around the whole country.”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/5774/3/

    A very good article. What they (and perhaps the royal family) are resistant to is “gay identity” not “gay sex”

    And yes, Derrick is correct, it’s the “flamboyant ones” who catch all the hell.

  27. TANK says

    “In May 2005, the government arrested 92 men for homosexuality, who were given sentences ranging from fines to prison sentences of several months and lashings. Likewise, on November 7, 2005 Riyadh police raided what the Saudi press called a “beauty contest for gay men” at al-Qatif. What became of the five men arrested for organizing the event, is not known.”

    While it is difficult to collect data on executions, many reports circulate that beheadings and hangings still occur for homosexuality in saudi arabia. Homosexuality is a criminal offense in saudi arabia, where a very strict version of sharia law is implemented to supress and harm the lgbt community there.

  28. Rodney says

    Really? No one knew the oppression going on in Saudi Arabia before this video? I’ve been boycotting oil ever since I could afford to.

    As for the guy himself, I don’t see him as gay. I think he’s struggling with gender dysphoria (sp.) actually.

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