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40 Retired Military Chaplains Write Letter Against DADT Repeal

This reeks of Elaine Donnelly. Via Politico:

Dadt  "The chaplains argue in a letter to the commander in chief and defense secretary, due to go out Wednesday, that allowing gays to serve openly in the military would discriminate against some Christian chaplains. 'We are deeply concerned that these changes would threaten the religious liberty of chaplains and service members,' the chaplains said in their letter, circulated Tuesday by the Family Research Council and the Alliance Defense Fund. A change in the military policy would force chaplains into a moral conundrum, they said, 'whether they are to obey God or to obey men.' They also cite the recent dis-invitation of Family Research Council President Tony Perkins from an Air Force prayer meeting as evidence that a crackdown on those who oppose repealing “don’t ask don’t tell” is already under way."

In related news, Servicemembers Legal Defense Network executive direct Aubrey Sarvis has a piece in Roll Call on how Obama can get himself out of the box he's put himself in regarding a repeal timeline.

Writes Sarvis:

"The House and Senate armed services committees are less than 30 days from voting on the defense bill. DADT originated in those two committees 17 years ago, and that is where the matter should be addressed now. The big votes on the defense bill are likely to come in late May and early summer, several months before those Pentagon recommendations are due on Capitol Hill. How does the president keep faith with Mullen and Gates on the very process he set up and, at the same time, ask key Senators and House Members to support him in repealing this discriminatory federal law? That is the president’s moral and political dilemma. The immediate challenge is reconciling the timeline to ensure that the findings and implementation recommendations of the Pentagon Working Group are received and considered in an expeditious manner by both committees. This should be spelled out in the repeal legislation now before the committees."

I posted before that there are six senators on the Senate Armed Services Committee that need to be lobbied and urged to include repeal in the Defense Authorization Bill this year. Their names and contact info are HERE

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  1. By that logic, allowing the military to integrate somehow threatened the liberty of racists.

    I'm tired of 'special rights' for religion.

    Posted by: Wes | Apr 28, 2010 12:18:55 PM

  2. Allowing gay people to serve openly would discriminate against some chaplains? What makes it worse that they are discriminated against as opposed to gay people? Somehow It think there are a lot more gay people in the world than chaplains. I'm deeply concerned how chaplains not only threaten my liberty, but actively oppress it.

    Posted by: MT | Apr 28, 2010 12:37:46 PM

  3. If a chaplain can't find it in his heart to minister to all of his flock, perhaps he has chosen the wrong calling.

    Posted by: Tom | Apr 28, 2010 12:41:55 PM

  4. That's what all religion does -- threaten and oppress liberty.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Apr 28, 2010 12:42:43 PM

  5. They are to obey their commanding officer.


    The only thing DADT repeal threatens is the liberty to treat their fellow service members like shit.

    Fucking christianist pussies. Always whining and playing the victim, while working their damndest to deny civil and human rights to their fellow man.

    Posted by: The Milkman | Apr 28, 2010 12:45:55 PM

  6. Last I checked, we live in the United States of America not the United States of Jesus! Our taxes pay for these clowns to spread their bigotry under the guise of patriotism, they deserve to be fired and the retirees ought to have their benefits recinded. F U Talibangelicals.

    Posted by: Tadpolicus Wex | Apr 28, 2010 12:51:02 PM

  7. So how do these chaplains feel about ministering to people who have taken human life as part of their daily routine, on the orders of men, in direct opposition to that pesky commandment about Thou Shalt Not Kill?

    Posted by: Roscoe | Apr 28, 2010 12:51:55 PM

  8. Religion must be eliminated. By any means necessary.

    Posted by: Eugene | Apr 28, 2010 12:52:08 PM

  9. We need to start getting all Black Panther on their asses !!

    Posted by: ty | Apr 28, 2010 12:59:57 PM

  10. Last time I checked belonging to a religion is a choice. If that choice interferes with your duties, then you should quit. They do not have the right to discriminate. To then complain about NOT being able to discriminate is beyond chutzpah.

    Posted by: gaylib | Apr 28, 2010 1:14:01 PM

  11. "I'm tired of 'special rights' for religion."


    Posted by: Kevinvt | Apr 28, 2010 1:20:44 PM

  12. Where can I find the names of those 40 chaplains?

    Posted by: dgchgo | Apr 28, 2010 1:53:36 PM

  13. ...because religious rights should always trump civil rights.

    Posted by: B | Apr 28, 2010 2:08:27 PM

  14. Sorry, “Christians”, but you’ve got it all wrong and the world is tired of listening to your misguided, hateful crap.

    If only you could hear yourselves...

    Posted by: ichabod | Apr 28, 2010 2:12:54 PM

  15. Let me see: their "religion" forbids them to work with openly gay people but allows them to work with closeted gay people? Possibly it would just make their temptation too great.

    Posted by: JusticeontheRocks | Apr 28, 2010 3:06:26 PM

  16. tony perkins was not uninvited because of his opposisition to DADT but his hate speach.some examples of christian charity are these chaplins. if they don't want to serve next LGBT troops let them find a store front church to preach hate and bigotry not the US military. just goes to prove hate is more important than love and understanding.

    Posted by: walter | Apr 28, 2010 3:08:50 PM

  17. America doesn't protect "religious" beliefs and policies that harm other people, but apparently these old chaplains don't get that. I wonder if they remember when priests argued that women should be treated like lower class citizens and not vote because God said they were second to men and inferior. Sorry, but there's no religious freedom to hurt people.

    I can't wait for these asses to get old and die. Get out of my country!!!

    Posted by: X | Apr 28, 2010 3:27:28 PM

  18. Don't blame this on religion! It's just an nazism was an excuse for antisemitism, and antisemitism was an excuse for bad behavior! How dare you blame nazism for the persecution of others, or religion for the persecution of women and gays, other religious people, different races, etc! bigotry! These aren't the causes of bad behavior...nothing causes it, and nothing can prevent it. It's a mystery.

    Posted by: TANK | Apr 28, 2010 3:30:37 PM

  19. SLDN are stabbing Gay and Lesbian soldiers in the back! I can't believe that group is still pursuing an asinine "delayed implementation of repeal" strategy! The strongest argument DADT opponents had was the urgency of retaining personnel with essential skills, and here they are throwing it out the window. The unit cohesion arguments are wholly bogus; the DADT policy itself establishes that there are Gay soldiers serving, and everybody knows it. Making official something that's already common knowledge is hardly going to throw the Armed Forces into chaos! Whose side is SLDN on, really? I don't think it's the servicemen they're allegedly advocating for.

    Posted by: Stuffed Animal | Apr 28, 2010 3:43:52 PM

  20. @tank ...really...religion is justification for bigotry and intolerance the world over, without biased interpretations whats left...religion it used to control the weak minded an assert a class apart from the "heathens" but really they all turned out to be covered in shit..its all dirty...nothing that every religion combined can ever make up for the hatred and and pain its has caused in the past, for you to justify it shows how well you have been lead and are the case against this blight on humanity

    Posted by: epic | Apr 28, 2010 6:54:33 PM

  21. What would you expect them to do? What about atheists rights?

    Posted by: Harry | Apr 28, 2010 8:36:33 PM

  22. You don't say, epic.'s a response to popular claims by theists that religion is an excuse for bad behavior, not the cause. Of course it's the cause in many cases, and beliefs cause behavior (that's how they're sensible, in fact). It amounts to the view that beliefs don't cause behavior, or that some do and others don't without specifying any coherent or credible distinction between the two.

    It's a lot like theist christians claiming that their faith is the "true faith". There's nothing to settle the disputes between different christian denominations to establish the true christian faith other than for the believer who subscribes to one variation to assert it...just like there's nothing beyond blind faith and repeating it to establish any true religion (islam vs. christianity, for example). And christians do horrible things becauses of their faith, as there's no such thing as a real/true christian.

    Posted by: TANK | Apr 28, 2010 8:58:02 PM

  23. I never in my 20 years in the military had any use for a Chaplain. They all pretended to be your friend, but what they really wanted to do was blast all your business to everyone and anyone.

    Posted by: Spongey | Apr 28, 2010 9:25:36 PM

  24. [Eye roll]...NEXT!

    Posted by: So Left I'm Right | Apr 28, 2010 11:12:34 PM

  25. Chaplains are like whiney girls who want the closet to persist because they like the quaintness...

    Posted by: ty | Apr 29, 2010 11:00:59 AM

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