‘DADT’ Repeal Stalls as Senate Motion to Invoke Cloture Fails

YES – 56

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burris (D-IL)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Goodwin (D-WV)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

NO – 43

Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brown (R-MA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
** Lincoln (D-AR) **
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
** Pryor (D-AR) **
** Reid (D-NV) [procedural vote so he can bring the measure back up] **
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wicker (R-MS)

Not Voting – 1

Murkowski (R-AK) 

Comments

  1. DN says

    So sad to think that nothing can happen in today’s senate without 60 effing votes. But when it comes to a 3-point victory in a ballot initiative, then the voter has spoken! How dare you question the 50% + 1!!!!

  2. says

    Reid voted no, a sign he’ll reconsider it sometime…after the elections? GOOD luck. It’s so dispiriting. If anything good comes of it, I hope it will fire up young people to vote against Republicans. Because while the Dems sure haven’t been great on gay issues, more Republicans just pushes the goalposts further and further away. Truly disgusted.

  3. Brian in Texas says

    The only silver lining is that the DADT repeal is attached to the Defense Spending Authorization Bill which must be taken up again and passed eventually. Possibly in a lame duck session.

  4. Crispy says

    I myself am a gay veteran. I was raised in a family of all military members and grew up always feeling that I had to give back…to all the men and women who supported my family and most of all my country. I was one of many who went to Capitol Hill in Washington DC and lobbied to try and make our voice heard. Now it appears that they weren’t listening. It breaks my heart to see so many of the things happening in our country today happening. The Republican party has accused the Democrats that this is nothing more than a “political move” to appease us. I won’t go into the hypocrisy of that statement and everything for which that party stands, but it still amazes me that so many people out there refuse to see the effect and impact of this and so many other battles we fight every day. To you my Conservative brother was nothing more than a political issue, something that was written on a piece of paper that would never really impact your life. This was my life, and is for so many other men and women who fight for your right to demean us and take away our rights. I still believe that our day will come, but it makes wonder if and when I will be able to see it myself.

  5. mld says

    bigger picture, there shouldn’t even be votes on civil rights issues, period. this is a civil rights issue which makes it a constitutional issue, not a military issue, not a legislative issue.

  6. says

    Waste of time- absolute waste of time calling, sending letters, emails and the like to the Congress.

    This is a fight which has to go to the streets. That’s the only way to put populist pressure on Congress. It’s the tool people use in a civil rights struggle.

    And I don’t think those in support of equal civil rights for LGBT persons have the stomach for a street fight. Sadly.

  7. InExile says

    The votes would have been there if the President would have shown some leadership but he did not. If he is so disinterested in doing his job why not step down and allow Vice President Joe Bidden to lead our country?

  8. Rob says

    A real bummer but not unexpected, especially with the so-called GOP moderate Senators siding with their anything-but-moderate party these days. Good luck to Sen. Reid bringing it up again in the future. I’m afraid it won’t have any better chances no matter what McCain and his ilk state about voting after the Pentagon releases its study in December. And, what’s with the Prez appointing another homophobe to head the Marine Corps? Jeez, are all their top leaders mired in the Dark Ages??

  9. TANK says

    What a shock…LOL! Now the dems will predictably spin this to their advantage by claiming that the repubs are antimilitary and antitroop, and tell the poor suckers who counted on this that well, shucks…they tried…

    And the republicans will say that they were opposed to the wasteful spending in the bill and DADT repeal (in light of more “discussion” and studies)…leaving us…where we are.

  10. Dennis says

    Beyond pathetic…even conservative pols put public support for the repeal of DADT at over 60%…

    The Senate is a broken institution…held hostage by it’s very design that gives 2 votes to dumbfuck, hick, born-again hellholes of a state…while civilized mulit-million-population states have no power to honor the desires of their residents.

    Die, McStain, die already…you old pathetic vote whore…way to end your career on a douchebag note.

  11. Scott says

    The 2 Arkansas Democrats voted against cloture.

    I have a feeling the gay community is somehow going to blame “Obama and Democrats” for this — The problem, however, was with “moderates.” The 2 “moderate” Democrats from Arkansas, who should not even count as Democrats if they cannot even vote for CLOTURE (regardless of how they would vote on the final bill).

    But this shows us that there is truly no such thing as a moderate Republican. Where are Collins, Snowe and Brown? They might as well be teabaggers. The vitriol belongs with these 5 more than any other. Elections matter — THE ELECTIONS THIS NOVEMBER MATTER. There are stark differences between the parties, and major ramifications for Democrats throwing a snit and staying home. Punishing 57 Democrats because 5 moderates are asswipes will not move equality forward. The voters of Arkansas, Maine, and Massachusetts hoisted this upon us.

  12. Paul says

    good lord. America is stuck in the stone ages. WTF ? You really are the only country in the civilized world that seems to have an issue with this. What kind of people have you elected to office ?

  13. SFshawn says

    What did we really expect from these super rich elite out of touch OLD,TIRED WHITE men and a handful of OLD mega weathly white women that make up the United States Senate?

  14. Philip Wester says

    The Login Cabin Republicans, GOProud and other Republican gays can just can it with their “The Republican Party is a viable alternative” BS. Clearly, no, they aren’t.

    They aren’t even willing to let the Senate DEBATE “pro-gay” laws, choosing instead of filibuster them because they know that open debate on the subject would probably end up in repeal.

    Suck on that the next time you even CONSIDER voting for them. Is a few extra bucks in your bank really worth a lack of civil rights?

  15. mcNnyc says

    DISGUSTING on the part of Sen Collins who hides behind her politics over policy meme…
    Time to take her down when her term is up

    And since we are talking about this as POLITICS…fault lies with Pres OBAMA and his cud of a commander RAHM for allowing their choice of MArine Commander to go before the Armed Services today…

    I

  16. TANK says

    “Is a few extra bucks in your bank really worth a lack of civil rights?”

    You mean like now? Yeah, it is. I wouldn’t be voting for the republicans for that reason, but I wouldn’t blame someone who did, because it doesn’t matter to civil rights. Spin spin spin!

  17. LincolnLounger says

    The whole thing is so phoney. If the Democrat leadership really cared about this bill, they wouldn’t have added on so many other non-related issues (like the DREAM Act). Further, they would have let the amendatory process be open instead of restricting it.

    DADT already would have been repealed if our “Fierce Advocate” Obama put his muscle into it earler in his term and the Democrat leadership in Congress really cared. Instead, they tried this phoney election-season charade to try and fool people into thinking this was a priority.

  18. fred says

    I don’t know why, but I am directing my anger at Obama. I am so incrediblhy frustrated with him. Pathetic he went from the hope of a generation to a one-termer. Trust.

  19. says

    You don’t think the Dem leadership, including Obama didn’t know this would happen? Fools, all of you. On Thursday, Obama’s DOJ must decide if they will appeal the ruling of Judge Phillips that DADT is unconsitutional, something that made all of this farce of political theater pointless (yet effective in confusing most of you dumbasses). When he does appeal (which Obama is not compelled to do, except by his own hate and bigotry) are you going to blame that on Susan Collins too? Idiots.

  20. ken says

    This first and foremost a failure of Democratic leadership. This won’t fire anyone up to vote against Republicans. We currently have the biggest Dem majority in a generation, the number will never be better than they are now. It shows how meaningless our votes were in 2008.

  21. Katie says

    “bigger picture, there shouldn’t even be votes on civil rights issues, period. this is a civil rights issue which makes it a constitutional issue, not a military issue, not a legislative issue.” POSTED BY: MLD | SEP 21, 2010 3:17:40 PM

  22. ravewulf says

    @Scott “The voters of … and Massachusetts hoisted this upon us”

    Don’t blame me, I voted for Martha Coakley (even if not perfect, she’s no Scott Brown)

  23. says

    Two years Obama spent wanking with “bipartisanship” and giving concessions to the Republicans ( who wanted his Waterloo) and the nut job blue-dogs, instead of putting up the reforms he was elected to implement, two years wasted, without a public option, without a single payer…..and leaving the insurance companies with as much power as ever….and Big Pharma with more power…..
    and this is the “Change we can believe in” ?
    As Bush said : “Fool me once shame on you/Fool me twice eh, um, ahh……….”

  24. says

    Disgusting. Reid, 2 Arkansas Dems, the Maine Repubs and Scott Brown all voted against cloture, enabling the crazies who want to drag us back to godknowswhere.

    And in reality, stone age people were more live and let live than today’s religious right-wingers, who for all intents and purposes are stuck in the middle ages. Grow up and get educated, Christ-psychotics, this is the 21st Century not the 12th.

  25. Matt26 says

    This DADT issue is beyond my understanding. How can US be so different from Europe? I couldn’t imagine parliament of my home country to debate issues like DADT.
    I don’t want upset US readers on this site, but you have elections coming. The Capitol Hill needs a big change and voters are able to do it. (And I know there are terrible Tea Party etc. tp figth against.) I am sure you will use your vote carefully.

  26. ggreen says

    As always when dealing with the United States Senate, each and every entitled Senator asks him or her self “What’s in it for Me? Not enough this time evidently. The American Taliban is still hard at work pulling the leavers that dispense the dough the to most corrupt political body in any government since Louis the XIV.

  27. ravewulf says

    @ken Our votes werem’t meaningless. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the Democrats may be pathetic and weak, but at least they aren’t insane like the conservatives are. We didn’t get what we wanted, but we could have gotten far worse. (Yes, it sucks choosing between bad and worse, but it does make a difference)

  28. Brian in Texas says

    I actually think GAYLIB will be disappointed when DADT is repealed and other gay rights measures come to light because then he wont have anywhere to direct his hatred and anger at.

    Obama is a bigot!…um, ok. If you believe that then I have a bridge to sell you in Houston.

    Calling people dumb asses and idiots never got anything accomplished.

    Keep calm and carry on!

  29. mad1026 says

    I voted for Obama; hope he’s got a position lined up for January 21, 2013. I have been let down for the last time. If he hates gay folks this much, he doesn’t deserve our support.

  30. says

    @GGreen: I agree ….it’s all about lobbyists and corporate donations, especially to the institutions/trusts/pressure groups set up and promoted by the Senators…….
    The US Senate has no concept of personal integrity……..only self aggrandisement and self importance.
    The idea of these assholes voting to “allow” us to have Civil Rights is simply mind boggling !

  31. BCLance says

    @GAYLIB: yes, name calling and vulgarity are great ways of showing that you have any clue about the political process, and about the limited pull (if any) Obama has on those senators that voted no. You’re perpetually aggrieved and naive tone doesn’t do much to illuminate the current situation.

  32. Bruno says

    My theory is the military brass found a way to really hold Obama’s balls to the wall, and force him to delay this vote. He really has turned out to be a nightmare of a president. Anyone still touting him has got a screw loose, honestly.

    Obama will be solely responsible for not only losing all the mojo Dems had achieved by 2008, but handing it right back to the Republicans. President Palin anyone?

  33. Polyboy says

    What is the fucking deal with some of you blaming it on Obama when it was a REPUBLICAN filibuster?

    Executive orders get overturned all the damned time, writing DADT repeal into LAW is the way to get a lasting change and you want to suck off the party who filibustered the legislation.

    You are your own worst enemy.

  34. says

    last I checked Pryor and Lincoln are Democrats. And if the Maj. leader didn’t know how they were going to vote, maybe he should make THEM his pets, and stop worrying about who in the senate is the hottest. Obama doesn’t have to issue an exec. order at this point. He just has to let stand judge Phillip’s ruling that DADT is unconstitutional and DADT is dead forever. He won’t do that though, because he really, really doesn’t like gay people. Especially upppity ones that don’t know how to stay in there place, the closet.

  35. rob says

    It’s time to take it to the streets people! When are we going to say “enough is enough”? I understand this was a vote in the Senate but Obama sat by and said nothing. I voted for Obama but he will NEVER get my vote again.

  36. Dean says

    I was reading all the hateful comments made by people of the religious right/Repubs on another page and came over to towleroad to get the feel of our own community. Sad to say its not that different only thing is we are attacking eachother instead of them attacking us for whom we love. =(

  37. Brains says

    If you fools actually thought that President Obama could influence those conservative Democrats in a tough election year, you are more stupid and naive than we thought!

    Go ahead and either not vote or vote Republican in November. You will have a rude awakening as our rights are striped away and legislation is enacted to make sure our issues never become law. Wise up fools, and stop allowing your internalized bigotry rule simple common sense!

  38. rob says

    Hey Brains, I think you meant to say stripped, not striped but whatever! Bottom line is, Obama is no friend of the LGBT community, especially as he professed to be. And why is or should he be our only Democratic candidate? If this system really worked FOR THE PEOPLE, we’d write in a more favorable candidate, like let’s say, HILLARY!

  39. Wavin' Dave says

    I am struck by the idea that Bill Clinton, newly rehabilitated, was the Democrat who brokered DADT from a hostile Congress and that Obama, our “fierce advocate” continues to show no leadership here – he can stage a “beer summit” for a black Ivy professor bud, but can’t utter a word about gay kids wanting to be in uniform to fight and die. History has a long lens, though, Barack. I commend you to your predecessor from Missouri, Harry Truman, who ended a cruel divide with the stroke of a pen:
    http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/desegregation/large/index.php?action=chronology

  40. Brains says

    GAYLIB,

    I know the president, personally, and you are wrong. This is a dangerous political situation for the Democrats and they can least afford another rallying cry for the Republicans to re- energize their voters come November ,when Liberals are sleeping on the fence.

    Think, think, think!

  41. jcflondon says

    Not a single Republican voted to Yes on this. That is the only issue here. Not President Obama. While we may be upset with is tepid support of gay rights, don’t lose sight of the fact that NOT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN voted to support a vote to repeal DADT. If we don’t support the Democrats, the Republicans will take over the Congress. That is an alternative I am not willing to support.

  42. Keith says

    I’m not an activist or reactionist, but for me this is a final straw. If you can’t pass this legislation with overwhelming public support already in place, then you as the Democratic party are truly worthless, spineless and pathetic. My days of active donations, canvassing, calling, advocating, defending and believing in change from within the Democratic Party are over. Truly a sad day for our LGBT service members whose lives and careers will continue to be destroyed for decades to come.

  43. Rich says

    It’s a failure of leadership on the part of Obama. Bad political strategy by Reid if the votes were there to block the Rethuglicans attempts to amend and remove the DADT provision. With Rethuglicans and ConservaDems bringing up the rear by playing pure politics.

    DADT was originally implemented as part of the Def Auth bill, which actually has been used many times as a vehicle to get measures past. Dems seriouly need to take a page from the Rethuglican playbook on how to enforce discipline in the ranks.

    It’s really a shame there aren’t many politicians who actually care about doing the right thing, and that the election cycle really comes down to a choice between the lesser of two evils.

  44. says

    Partisan bickering at this point is asinine since there is ample blame to go around: the failure of the Obama administration and the Democrats to show leadership and get this done while they had the chance, the dependably, actively anti-gay Republican party who will always obstruct any gay civil rights legislation if they can. No one can legitimately point fingers in one direction on this, unless they’re playing the same idiotic politics as Congress.

    If you’re a liberal and sane, this won’t make you vote Republican in Nov. But it will surely make you reluctant to donate $ and it could make you stay home entirely. If you’re a conservative on everything but gay issues, you’ll vote anti-gay Republican because it’s increasingly easier to justify that vote given the failure of the Dems.

    Despite the hyperbole about Obama being a one-term president or facing a credible primary challenge in 2012, there is currently no evidence to support that. He’s unpopular, but most everyone else is even more so. DADT is big on our radar but not on the country’s. No Dem is hinting at running. And, fortunately, none of the current homophobic Republican possibilities are winners. Our only choice is to continuing to pressure the powers that be (and that means more than Obama) or to sit out the political process entirely, depending on the strength of your stomach.

  45. allan says

    I was all ready to defend Obama today after this legislative fiasco occurred. But when I saw his choice to head the Marines testifying AGAINST DADT before the Senate committee before the vote, I thought: FUCK OBAMA! He can’t stand up to the military! He’s appointing people to top jobs who don’t agree with repeal. I hate to say it, but I don’t think Hilary would have caved in to the military brass like Obama has.

  46. thegreasybear says

    We gave the Democrats the House, and they said “We can’t deliver on our promises because we need the Senate!”

    So we gave the Democrats the Senate, too, and they said “We can’t deliver on our promises because we need the White House!”

    So we gave the Democrats the White House, and they said “We can’t deliver on our promises because we need 60 votes in the Senate!”

    So we gave the Democrats 60 votes in the Senate, and they said “We can’t deliver on our promises because…um…gee, we really mean to do what we say, it’s just that…um…yeah. Nope.”

    Why bother voting?

  47. BobN says

    Most of the “Obama and Dems suck!!!” posting around here is from obvious republican trolls, of course, but let’s just for a moment take some of it as real. I have a question, well several questions.

    When you were a kid and wanted a puppy and mom said “yes” and dad said “no”, did you go around the neighborhood telling everyone what a whore your mother was?

    But more seriously, go ahead, be pissed at the Dems. Be pissed at Reid. Be pissed at Obama. Then get over yourselves.

    Every freaking Democrat in the Senate could have voted for this and it still would have failed. Instead of getting 100% — which you would have bitched about anyway, of course — we got 95% of Dems (rounding) and 0% of Republicans. So, go ahead, stop giving to the only party that cares about your rights.

    And one last point. Pay attention to the numbers. 56 YES votes. Of the wavering Dems you were all supposed to be phoning, FOUR hopped on board, including WEBB, who carries a lot of respect on military issues. The Defense Authorization will come up again. There’s no way to avoid it. No one who voted YES today is going to vote NO in lame duck session. That’s 56 YESes going into that vote.

    On the GOP side, all the YES votes we had hoped for chickened out. But they won’t in lame duck session. This authorization will pass in November or December with near unanimous support from the Dems and a small handful of GOP senators.

    Some of you, of course, will still be bitching about Obama and the Dems then, too.

  48. BCLance says

    @gaylib Nah, don’t think I will. You’re a self-satisfied jerk who thinks blustery insults rather than substantiated argument are an appropriate or effective mode of discourse. Frankly, being a jerk because I object to the way you treat other people on a board just reinforces my original point.

  49. ratbastard says

    Olympia Snow and Susan Collins knew the vote result before it happened of course and took the safe route. Their no vote will not really hurt them in Maine. A yes vote likewise wouldn’t hurt them. I don’t think a no vote would really hurt in any state actually. Scott Brown in my state of Massachusetts will not be hurt by his no vote, even though I don’t think most Massachusetts are against repealing DADT; most people are of course heterosexual and apathetic on gay issues.

    It was really a very cynical vote on the part of the Dems. They of course knew it wouldn’t pass but it gave them the opportunity to claim they tried but those damn Republicans blocked us.

  50. Jeffrey says

    As a liberal from Arkansas, I am completely disgusted. This why Blanche Lincoln is losing her job. She has completely lost her base and this is an indicator why. To those who wish to blame Obama and his leadership consider that he is very unpopular here in Arkansas. He has no real sway over Lincoln or Pryor. I would count on Collins, Snowe, Voinovich, Lugar, and Brown to move this forward before I would count on Lincoln or Pryor. I’m surprised they got Webb.

  51. Mike says

    Such a sad day. Another blogger I read a bit ago suggested we stop paying taxes if we can’t serve EQUALLY in the military and can’t get married. I know it’s unrealistic, but think if all the LGBT community collectively quit paying their taxes until they had 100% EQUAL rights in these United States of America. I guess they would use stimulus money and build more prisons to house us all. It doesn’t feel good to be gay today…

  52. Jason says

    I would have voted no on this due to the attachment of the amnesty provision. That was the poison pill. As long as there is an Amnesty attachment this thing needs to die.

  53. LincolnLounger says

    Still no acknowledgment of the fact that the Democrats larded up this bill with non-related items like immigration amnesty measurers.

    If the Democrats really wanted this passed, they could have made it a single-issue bill and opened the amendatory process. Instead, it’s a hodgepodge of unpopular stuff 45 days before an election. Harry Reid is a coward. Too bad his opponent is such a nutjob.

  54. Bruno says

    Lincolnlounger…Exactly. The Dems sabotaged this thing in recent weeks, it’s so obvious that leadership DID.NOT.WANT.THIS.TO.PASS.RIGHT.NOW. Anyone of reasonable intelligence can infer what happened here.

  55. Chris says

    DADT already would have been repealed if our “Fierce Advocate” Obama put his muscle into it earler in his term and the Democrat leadership in Congress really cared. Instead, they tried this phoney election-season charade to try and fool people into thinking this was a priority.

    POSTED BY: LINCOLNLOUNGER | SEP 21, 2010 3:36:00

    Right Miss Lounger faggots like you love every fucking republican that voted AGAINST IT!

  56. mcNnyc says

    Obama could care LESS if he looses the Congress to the GOP he welcomes it…and so do I it will FORCE him to use his veto power.
    And then we can see what he’s really made of.

    Look as a progressive I hate to see the House go GOP but the Senate is gutless.
    And if u don’t think that a GOP Senate will change the fillibuster rules on day 1 I HAVE A BRIDGE TO SELL YOU.

  57. Joe H says

    Isn’t it funny how not having 60 votes never stopped George W. Bush from passing anything and everything he wanted? Most of those GOP bills passed with 52-58 votes. So what happened? The Dems won the presidency and both chambers, then raised their own bar so nothing gets done? And Dems wonder why their base is staying home this November. I know I am.

  58. Brian B. says

    I never thought the bill was going to pass this time but I started to build my hopes up. Well so much for that.
    I am beginning to doubt America and democracy. This country is pathetic. America has always been slow. Slow to let women vote, slow to count blacks as people, and now slow on gay rights. We’re not even talking about marriage here, just the ability to serve in the military. Which other developed country is this backward? Instead of preaching freedom, equality, and justice around the world, live up to your actions, America. As for democracy, it cannot function when more than half of the populace is bigoted and ignorant, not to mention our leaders who do not actually lead and only pander to the lowest common denominator.
    If we cannot pass this now, then when? Not one Republican broke ranks. Republicans are morally bankrupt and a danger to rationality and equality everywhere. As for the Democrats who voted with the Republicans, all I have to say is: with friends like you, who needs enemies?

  59. DR says

    Gee, wonder why this didn’t pass…

    Reid makes the last minute call to disallow amendments by the Republicans, losing us Collins (and probably Snowe as well).

    Adding DREAM was just asking for disaster, but it was added anyway. Sure, let’s add amnesty for illegals in a military appropriations bill.

    No active leadership from the Dems leading up to this; as a matter of fact we went, in less than a year, from full repeal to an “amendment” left to the discretion of the very people who didn’t want to see DADT repealed. Oh, and we got to see the new MArine who publicly blasted the DADT repeal earlier this morning.

  60. LincolnLounger says

    “Chris”, I guess you are in the category of Perez Hilton — gay people who use “faggot” as a pejorative against other gay people.

    Classy. Talk about self-loathing.

  61. Ian says

    As a happily married gay guy in Canada looking in amazement at your political system and then at the remarks here, I just want to say this tragic loss seems to me simple to interpret.

    Republicans haven’t changed any spots. They and their leader on this effort – McCain – are anti-gay bigots and should never be counted upon. While Democrats can be cowards they generally aren’t evil. Republicans, not so much.

    And you should be scared silly by the thought of a Republican sweep of both houses of congress.

  62. Chris says

    “Chris”, I guess you are in the category of Perez Hilton — gay people who use “faggot” as a pejorative against other gay people.

    Classy. Talk about self-loathing.
    Posted by: LincolnLounger | Sep 21, 2010 11:14:31

    Faggot it wasn’t meant to be classy. Read it again BITCH! The only one who is self-loathing is your Mother she should be shot for having you. Classy Faggy!

  63. Sam says

    If the Republicans succeed in this election, it will be because young people don’t vote. But they’ll be back in 2012. Young people in this country can’t stand all this anti-gay bigotry, the anti-immigrant bigotry, the crackpot, Obama’s a Muslim stuff. They don’t like all that stuff and they’re not going to vote for Republicans. – Howard Dean

  64. ratbastard says

    Howard Dean sucking up to ‘young people’? He’s done surveys,etc., to determine what’s going on in ‘young peoples’ heads….and how to manipulate this information to his advantage? He and others have a harder time manipulating people with more life experiences, so fall back on ‘young people’ and ‘hipness’?

    It’s a myth, IMO, to make widespread claims regarding ‘young people’ and their alleged ‘progressive’ political inclinations; in America, or anywhere else.

  65. Esurb says

    Earlier Obama ordered his Sec. of Defense to withold his support and drag his feet on this issue. I think the White House knew/counted on what happened yesterday. They have deficated on their gay base their whole first 19 months in office. BUT…if only truly liberal voters would get excited about the fall elections and punish the Republicans for this. Trouble is, in Indiana, we have no idea how the Democrat candidate would vote on this.

  66. yaaah69 says

    I agree with Jim Neal , we have to fight this thing and going to the mattresses is the only way they will change. It could get bloody , but we need to do more than have a parade , we need to get down and dirty.
    yaaah69

  67. yaaah69 says

    I live in Arizona and I really dislike McCain and his homophobic and despotic ways. He runs herd over everyone and the new laws regarding illegals is going to blow up in his face. The 3BILLION fence job at the border is a standing joke for everyone to laugh . And has doubled in price in residual damages to environment , businesses , disrupting life in general , there were 20 beheadings across the border just a month ago and the dope is coming in on a regular basis. And the flow of illegals has not diminished. Oh well , America the great. Homos arise. We are being mistreated.

  68. Milo says

    The problem with this vote is that the DADT repeal was added to a bill full of other pork. For example, the DREAM program was part of it too. I think if we could get a stand-alone vote, or at least had a better bill in which to include a DADT repeal, we’d achieve the desired result.

  69. Milo says

    @rin: DADT was created by an Congress under the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1994. POTUS does not have the power to just make it disappear. Congress must offer a bill containing a repeal.

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