Stephen Fry Quits Twitter?

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Prolific tweeter Stephen Fry has apparently left the service following outrage over the weekend over an Attitude magazine article in which he suggested that women only have sex with men because it's the price they're willing to pay for a relationship.

Attitude quoted Fry as saying:" I feel sorry for straight men. The only reason women will have sex with them is that sex is the price they are willing to pay for a relationship with a man, which is what they want. Of course, a lot of women will deny this and say, 'Oh no, but I love sex, I love it!' But do they go around having it the way that gay men do?"

Before bidding good-bye yesterday, Fry tweeted: "So some f*cking paper misquotes a humorous interview I gave, which itself misquoted me and now I'm the Antichrist. I give up."

Comments

  1. LiamB says

    All printed medias are notorious for editing interviews to make them more sensational. It’s just the way it has always been. It sucks that the editors don’t generally care the cost their interviewees must pay,however.

    At any rate, as the saying goes, Twitter is the Devil.

  2. jason says

    I absolutely agree with Stephen Fry’s observations on women. Like Stephen, I am not one to fall for this pro-female political correctness stuff that seems to have taken hold in the last couple of decades.

    Women’s sexuality is nowhere near as pervasive as men’s. Moreover, women are sellers, not buyers. A seller advertises and deceives in order to get somebody to purchase what they’re selling. Women can thus agree to sex without actually desiring it. Thus, women can use their sexuality as a marketing ploy to obtain benefits that are unrelated to sexual satisfaction.

    Women have a hole, not an erection. A man must go from soft to hard in an involuntary act driven by the power of the sex drive. Women don’t undergo a similar process, and can thus disguise. Think fake orgasms, and you get the point of womanhood.

  3. Jake says

    I don’t know if women desire sex less than men or not but the point is they have convinced straight men that they desire it let and that they will only give it up if men jump through hoops, spend money on them and bow and scrape to them. Talk to any straight man and he will tell you that he needs to have a lot of money, spend a lot of money and do all the “chivalry” bullshit (which is basically servitude) just to get laid. I find it disgusting that so many straight men have no self respect and no clue that women want sex too.

    I’m always amazed that prostitution is illegal in America. Straight courtship is nothing but legal prostitution. Just look at your local “ladies night”.

  4. Paul R says

    Jason, you’re an idiot who apparently has no female friends. Your notion of female sexuality and its “PC” aspects seems to assume a “Lie back and think of England” mentality. I know many women with sex drives that would cripple many a gay man, and it’s not because they’re seeking approval.

    Similarly, Jake, lots of women are more than happy to have sex with men they don’t care about and want nothing from than a good fuck. Some manipulate, but they probably suck in bed anyway.

  5. mstrozfckslv@yahoo.com says

    Fry didnt go far enough

    women don’t just use sex…… they use pregnancy to get a ltr, marriage, the man to stay, to get presents = jewels etc

  6. Sam says

    Surprising stupidity from the mouth of otherwise pretty intelligent Mr. Fry.

    Unfortunately, not a surprise at all to find all kind of misogynist, heterophobic comments in here.

    Boy, the smell of hypocrisy is overwhelming.

  7. Mana says

    I think Stephen got a bum rap, but that doesn’t excuse the misogyny that appears in the commentary of supporters.

    Yes, there IS an element of supply/demand in women’s sexuality today. Straight men want it, women have it. But this presents its own problems for us, so I thank commenters NOT to present all women as manipulative ice queens, thank you very much.

    Go back in history, though, and it’s women who are subject to lustful desires which it is up to men to resist with the power of their logical male brains. Our sexual attitudes are far more influenced by culture than by who has how many sperm and ovum to spread about the gene pool, which is fairly irrelevant to gay men & lesbians anyway.

    It’s about as fair to say that women have less sex drive than men than it is to say that men can’t commit like women – because after all, what does a lesbian bring on her second date? A moving van.

    There are differences between male and female sexuality, and Stephen Fry shouldn’t be strung up on a rack for making that observation. But I think the differences are cultural more than physiological, and like most groups, there’s more variation within the population than between the two different populations. You’ll get men who don’t want sex outside a relationship as much as you get women who just want a one-night stand.

    It’s when we act as though cultural perceptions of population trends reflect objective truth that we run into trouble. Among other things.

  8. Charles says

    I was surprised when I read he had made that comment, that doesn’t sound like him.

    Jake and Jason: You obviously don’t know any girls, so shut up… Yes girls want sex, and they also want sex with no strings attached, sometimes. The difference between men and women? Women (unless they’re really, really, ugly) can get laid whenever they want to, therefore are never desperate. Straight men on the other hand, don’t take care of themselves, look like shit, behave like punks, then go to clubs and wonder why they can’t get laid. And therefore are desperate.

  9. CM says

    Wow, I expect misogyny from ehrenstein but not the rest of you. Read Sex at Dawn if you want to understand how the power imbalance started and how men and women actually work. Or at the bloody least, Dan Savage.

  10. Tom Stoppard says

    Anyone who makes stereotyping, generalising and spiteful comments about women as a group (or men as a group) for that matter is a cretin and not worth listening to. I’m always amazed at how people come here, read the stories, soak up the politics, and keep not getting a fundamental point. Sad.

    I don’t know if Fry was misquoted or not, but if you’re in the media eye and make money from it, you have to accept that stuff like this can happen.

  11. Thomasina says

    First of all, “all women” don’t think the same way about anything.
    Second, I’ve heard the public sex cliché get trotted out a lot as “proof” that women don’t like sex, but there’s never any acknowledgment with it that men are *always* safer in public any time, anywhere, regardless of their purpose for being there, than women are. As unwise and potentially dangerous as “cottaging” is for men, it would be that much more unsafe for women, and only a woman with a death wish or a mental illness wouldn’t at least take that into consideration before seeking public sex.
    Third, as a straight woman, I am very glad that Jason isn’t in my dating pool, since that means I will run into at least one fewer man who has no idea in hell how a woman’s genitals work. I mean, “Women have a hole, not an erection”? Really? Women have just as much erectile tissue as men do–only most of it is internal. Your juvenile, misogynistic ignorance is showing here.

  12. TANK says

    OH yeah, because there are a minority of women out there with sex drives that clearly outmatch your average male…and many were the victims of childhood sexual abuse (of course, there are people who are just hypersexual, and who aren’t damaged goods…responding to some kind of abuse or substance problem), we should automatically call his humorous opinion wrong…

    There is a big difference between female and male sexuality…and no, straight men, on average, don’t have the sex that gay men have in terms of quantity and variety…and the reason is that they are denied.

  13. TANK says

    Oh, and sex at dawn is a neat little piece of EVO POP PSYCH. Evo pop psych is to be taken very, very lightly, as I don’t really consider it, overall, a legitimate science (there are some evolutionary psychologists who do some good work, and who are scientists…just not most of ’em! ;))…just a bunch of neat just so stories which are not subject to any test. This isn’t to deny that the expression/repression of female sexuality is highly cultural, and likely didn’t exist in the pleistocene…so it is largely not a product of evolution. But, there are differences between male and female sexuality that clearly are…and less interest in sex might be one of them.

  14. says

    There are people in here who still want to program us with their pseudo-feminist crap.

    The fact of the matter is that Fry made an OBVIOUS observation. There is a a difference when you insult (a la Paladino or McCance) but this is not it. His observation is objective and simple to understand, that is if you actually HANG OUT WITH STRAIGHT people like I do.

    Its not about being “misogynistic” but to merely point out the obvious, it might not be POPULAR to say it but sometimes the truth does hurt. Most straight women know what they are doing, and they know how to get what they want from men, and men fall for it. I’ve even seen my female friends punch holes in condoms so they can get pregnant by their boyfriends and demand marriage from them etc…

    You guys need to lightened up, this is a cultural issue, yes, but it does no good to try to shut people up.

  15. kim says

    wow. as a woman, i’m disheartened by what i’ve read in these comments. isn’t it bad enough that, in a world where people will speak up against the slaughter of others as a result of ethnic friction — think darfur, or bosnia — most people look the other way when laws are passed to further those who would treat women as nothing more than slaves (see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1321504/UAEs-highest-court-rules-men-beat-wives-long-leave-marks.html), but i always thought gay men, at least, would understand how it feels to be treated as “less than.” now it seems that, in many cases, gay men not only think we’re ‘less than,” we’re also despicable. this actually made me cry.

  16. Bernadette says

    I can’t believe what I’m reading here. The stupidity is overwhelming!

    Apart from what Mana, Thomasina, Charles, CM and other reasonable and intelligent people on here already said,

    men are denied sex by women more often than they are denied by other men because women have to consider certain things before having sex with a man. It’s totally different to fuck an asshole than a vagina. I never heard that a guy shat out a baby and I guess that rape or gang rape while cruising behind bushes or in public toilets (or wherever some gay gentlemen choose to hang out to have sex with other men) is a great rarity.
    I can’t even count the times when I went out being horny as f**k but had to go home alone because, guess what, I didn’t want to suck on week old dick cheese or having to think about how to get rid of that guy when I could already read the word ‘stalker’ on his forehead. Also, I want to know that what gets inside of my vagina is clean and disease-free since the organs in that area are much more likely to be badly affected by a dirty dick or a dirty tongue/mouth than an asshole is.

    It seems as some of the gay men commenting here want to assure themselves and make straight men believe that their sexuality is superior since according to them straight guys would never miss out on sex anymore when having sex with guys and that women are only a pain in the ass.

    As if badmouthing women would make straight men reconsider their sexuality and become gay.
    ‘Oh, look, the grass is so much greener over here, darling! And you can use my hole anytime you want. You don’t even have to pay for it!’

    Dream on!

    Oh @Pepa: Congratulations for befriending such people. You know how to pick ’em!

  17. Rasheeda says

    @Kim: I feel your pain but I’m not surprised by the comments. Some gay men are misogynists. I think they’re just jealous that we get to sleep with straight men. Real straight men. Not that Craigslist fake wedding ring shit!

  18. Bernadette says

    @Kim: I can tell you, as a woman, you get to read things here that almost make you reconsider fighting for gay rights and tell people who use homophobic slurs to shut their pie holes or else. Why fight for gay rights if there are people who think like some of the ones above?
    Some people just don’t learn.
    Can you imagine if some day gay men are equal to straight men and they team up to make life even more a living hell for women than it already is?

  19. TANK says

    “It seems as some of the gay men commenting here want to assure themselves and make straight men believe that their sexuality is superior since according to them straight guys would never miss out on sex anymore when having sex with guys and that women are only a pain in the ass.”

    That’s fuckin’ bullshit. I consider gay men that find straight men hot (have a straight fetish) all fucked up and self loathing. I am not sexually attracted to straight men…in fact, I have enough straight male friends that the prospect is making me gag…you can have ’em, ladies…good people (many heterosexual men)…but no…nooooooohahahooooooo.

    However, there are innate biological differences between men and women that are the product of biological evolution (as are all of our cognitive capacities and abilities), and this does, in fact, carry over to sexuality. This does not justify sexism, of course.

  20. RJ says

    Wow! Can’t believe the number of humour-impaired folks posting here who love to think the worst of others. Those of you vilifying Stephen Fry, are you honestly that gullible to believe the media’s spin on such subjects? Fry’s a humorist – I have no doubt his tongue was firmly in cheek when he was making those seemingly sweeping generalizations.

    It’s been well-documented in various studies that men think a lot more about sex than women. A LOT MORE. I don’t think it’s a shocker to say men have more sexual activity, either solo or with others, than women. The concept of women “faking it” is also a frequent staple in comedy with the most famous example being the Seinfeld episode in which Jerry is shocked at how often Elaine faked orgasms during the time they were dating.

    So yeah, I think Fry was trying to inject some humour into his interview and the media deliberately misrepresented his comments as some clnical authoritative pronouncement.

    @KIM… comparing the insensitive comments of posters like Jason et all to Darfur and true misogyny is a bit much, don’t you think? As Jon Stewart said over the weekend, “if we amplify everything, we hear nothing”.

  21. Denise says

    Jason – “Think fake orgasms, and you get the point of womanhood.”

    Jesus Christ, am I happy you’re not an option for women. But I do feel sorry for the men you’ll meet.

  22. Sal says

    Gay men and misogyny. What else is new?

    Fry was celibate for 16 years, and now he’s an expert on female sexuality. lulz!

    Faggots are always doing themselves a disservice by running their fucking mouths about shit that have no clue about.

    Fry is a fucking pussy. He closes his account because of criticism. He can dish it out, but he sure can’t take it. Not surprised, since this guy has a mental illness. Perhaps he forgot to take his meds.

    And to the loser who screams about being “PC”, and how feminists are evil, hon, you’re only doing the Right wing’s bidding. I’m sure you refer to them as feminazis as well. Feminists have a radical agenda, just as radical as faggots’. Go back to listening to Rush Limbaugh!

  23. Jayadev Yoga says

    Many women seem despicable, as do many men. A few women seem saintly, as do a few men. Most of us fall somewhere in between, committing our share of despicable and saintly acts among the necessary routine behaviors that get us through this life. Stephen Fry has just learned the lesson that Tweets often don’t convey vital nuance, even among the fiendishly clever. If you don’t know who Stephen Fry is, you owe it to yourself to see his movie about Oscar Wilde.

  24. says

    Did no one read his entire statement after-the-fact???

    “So some f*cking paper misquotes a humorous interview I gave, which itself misquoted me and now I’m the Antichrist. I give up.”

    People are jumping to conclusions without all the facts. Lest we forget Shirley Sherrod and how FOX News took the story and ran with it, resulting in her being forced to resign from her position as Georgia State Director of Rural Development for the United States Department of Agriculture after blogger Andrew Breitbart posted video excerpts of Sherrod’s address at a March 2010 NAACP event to his website. You can’t believe everything you see or read!!!

    I am giving Stephen Fry the benefit of the doubt.

  25. Jessica says

    Errr, as a chick who likes straight men and is dating a student with a small income (I also like it dutch – chivalry is nice, but I often feel bad if there’s too much of it and I absolutely hate being paid for knowing his income…it makes me feel horrible), I call bullshit on Fry’s (as well as some commenters’) statements. I still love him though. I hope he was misquoted.

    I love this site, but some of you guys here are so negative about everything. Even about the good stories! Like the YouTube video of the guy signing to his boyfriend – people here even managed to see the negative in that sweet, beautiful love story. Straight females are some of your guys’ biggest allies – I know I for one participated in a No on 8 rally in West Hollywood with some of my friends. Not because I benefit from supporting gay marriage – I’m not gay, but because I care about you and your rights. Maybe we should all stick up for each other? Yeah? Sound good?

  26. ednonymous says

    The truth hurts but is nonetheless the truth. I pity the people who deny the reality which is life.
    Many of the comments decrying Fry’s observations deserve pity… from naughtylola who surely needs an anatomy lesson on her own body to paulr who has been utterly hoodwinked by his female “friends”.

  27. Jake says

    For those of you bitching that I said women don’t want sex, read my comment again. I never said they didn’t and my comment wasn’t misogynist. I said that they’ve done a good job of convincing straight men that they don’t want sex as much as the men do and men have fallen all over themselves trying to beg, borrow, steal and pay for it. My comment, if anything, was misandrist since I was calling MEN, not women, fools.

  28. Manda says

    You idiots would shame the gay men I am proud to know and call my friends. I don’t pretend to be an expert on gay sex, how about you don’t pretend to be an expert on straight sex?

    How do you, as gay men, know one fuckall bit about what straight women think or feel, how often they masturbate and to what, how often they want to get laid, how often they think about sex?

    You trot out old, ignorant comedy standards as if they are scientific fact. You act like straight men are poor slobs ruled by their undisciplined penis.

    Please. I mean, really. Please. If sex wasn’t pleasurable and desired by women, we never would have managed to procreate. You fucking idiots.

  29. Ro says

    Wow. I guess this post goes to show how many mysogynistic gay men are actually out there (no, I know it’s not all of you).

    You’d think that as an oppressed sect of people, gay men would have a little more empathy for misunderstandings about others. I guess not. I suppose that if I’m a fool for being a feminist, while I’m at it thinking that all women dislike sex and use it strictly for bartering, I might as well assume that most gay men probably have STDs, right? From all that crazy unprotected sex they love to have. I don’t need to worry about straight people because I would have to deduce that they aren’t getting as much of it.

    And I, for one, am an example to the contrary. Not that I think saying so would make any difference in the minds of people like “Jason” and “TANK.”

  30. says

    Wow, you point out the TRUTH and people get all upset about it. Yet NO ONE has been able to disprove Fry. These anti-male, penis hating so called “feminists” hate it when we point out their ANATOMY. We are not trying to change the law here, or pass a constitutional amendment to prove our point. All we have to do is point out the obvious.

    Women have a way to deceive and manipulate men and at the same time want to control them. They are also attracted to “assholes” who beat them, hate them, and treat them like shit, but in the end will stick by them “hoping” to get the upper hand, while treating “nice guys” as their new gay best friend (instead of a potential husband).

    To all the straight men on this board: Treat women like shit, they love it. The more of an asshole you are to them, the more they are attracted to you and you will definitely get pussy.

    This is based ON OBSERVATIONS, not an OPINION. I find all this to be silly but it is the UGLY TRUTH. Live with it. So don’t blame it on me, I don’t make up the STRAIGHT rules, straights do.

  31. TANK says

    I wasn’t aware I was on the side of DE or jason, ya fucktards. Are you running for a HS election with antics like that? This isn’t a braw burning moment, ladies and gentlemen…I think you’re all quite hysterical and pathetic, to be honest– minimizing actual sexism, which given the surrounding explanation this isn’t…idle hands, huh? Makes ya look shabby to overreact like this, and to a much lesser extent, defend the blank slate…which you simply can’t anymore. It’s the left’s intelligent design/creationism.

  32. TANK says

    “How do you, as gay men, know one fuckall bit about what straight women think or feel, how often they masturbate and to what, how often they want to get laid, how often they think about sex?”

    Well, considering we’re oppressed by heterosexuals (there’d be no homophobia without heterosexuals perpetuating it), the oppressed group learns about the oppressor group as a matter of survival…just like many black people know more about white people than white people know about themselves. Not to suggest that this is “accurate”…and that women use sex or any of that angry drunk heterosexual dude speak.

  33. Derek Pearce says

    Whoah, everybody in here needs a good Fuck To Restore Sanity! I had always assumed that “sperm is cheap, ova are finite” so that men naturally wanted sex more than women. I still kind of think that way– for sure, men THINK about sex A LOT more often than women.
    But Bernadette’s post about the basic physical and health risks that women are more exposed to even if they do “want it as much” was an eye opener and has me reconsidering. I never looked at it that way before.

  34. K says

    Tank, as a straight, black woman, with gay friends and relatives, I can tell you, black people don’t have some mystical insight into white people just because of oppression and racism. I personally get to know about other cultures and races by befriending people of those cultures and races, you ass.

    Additionally, I’m pretty damn sure that gay men, like straight men, do NOT know much about women’s sexuality and preferences. Have you ever SEEN straight porn? Men have no fuckin clue. Men that do know, straight or gay, tend to have healthy friendships and/or relationships with women.

    Finally, to the misogynistic gay men out there, YOU no longer have the right to complain about inequality. Become better human beings. However, I would never allow the rantings of assholes prevent me for campaigning for what is right.

  35. says

    I was once quoted in a sports section with something I never said, however I liked the quote so much… that I started using it! One can not plagiarize something attributed to them… but in today’s world, it does pay to think before putting your name on somethings. I noticed the other day that I had a new follower on my blog… and it’s an anti-gay site… in that case, I’ll gladly put my name OUT-there because that is who I have in mind when I let the gay in me speak… or should I say shOUT!

  36. RJ says

    @MANDA, way to generalize everything and add to the idiot discourse that’s already so prevalent here.

    >>How do you, as gay men, know one fuckall bit about what straight women think or feel, how often they masturbate and to what, how often they want to get laid, how often they think about sex?>You trot out old, ignorant comedy standards as if they are scientific fact. You act like straight men are poor slobs ruled by their undisciplined penis.<<

    You know why it’s called comedy and NOT scientific fact? Because it’s COMEDY, not science. And if folks find it funny – that includes both women and men – they’ll laugh.

  37. RJ says

    “How do you, as gay men, know one fuckall bit about what straight women think or feel, how often they masturbate and to what, how often they want to get laid, how often they think about sex?”

    @MANDA, it’s called “studies” where women get asked questions about their sexual habits and they, like, answer questions about their sexual habits. Ever heard of the concept?

  38. says

    Interesting discussion. Here’s my two cents (and I should warn you that I’m another fan of Sex at Dawn): If females are indeed the choosier, more sexually reserved gender by nature, why would men throughout history have gone to such great lengths–from ostracism to beheadings–to control the female libido?

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