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  1. TJ says

    Oh, how disrespectful! This will set gay rights back! This will garner poor lil Ricky sympathy!

    Okay, now that I’ve said it, no one else needs to. The rest of us can ponder concepts like karma and justice.

  2. oh says

    Privileges granted by the government, separate classes of people.

    Hmm, that does sound awful American doesn’t it?

    I’ve never understood the whole “privileges” argument, the whole point of the Constitution is equalization of citizens. Everyone, at birth, in the objective eyes of the government, is worth exactly the same. ‘Privilege’ implies a government-sanctioned caste system. The whole idea or in-born privilege is so fiercely un-American, I’m surprised it’s not rebutted as such more often.

  3. Continuum says

    Unlike glitter bombs, I think that holding signs and asking (Ok, well shouting)tough questions gets the point across.

    I’m not sure that this kind of action turns anybody against gay rights.

    Santorum supporters have already made up their minds.

    But, for the other folks, the demonstrators remind them that Rick Santorum has taken some pretty extreme positions.

  4. Artie says

    @ Alan,

    Specific marriage laws are being fought at the state level, which doesn’t involve the president. DOMA is the federal government, which is where the president can make a difference. Obama’s Justice Department is fighting to have DOMA ruled unconstitutional and will probably win a victory this month in the 1st Circuit Court. Santorum wants the Justice Department to *defend* DOMA in court. That’s a big difference between Santorum and Obama.

  5. Michael Bedwell says

    FHow NOT to protest Rick Santorum. The cute guy in the hat and sunglasses ends up out-cute-ing himself. How can anyone his age NOT get that its ALL about how much you can get on the local/national news—and a song, no matter how creative and on-target, ain’t gonna make it. How about just yelling, “BIGOT! BIGOT! BIGOT!” at him which not only would be heard in living rooms across the country but would, in turn, make people who haven’t gotten it yet ask WHY he’s being labeled that way.

  6. Ricco says

    Since when is serving this pathetic nation a privilege? That’s not what they called it during WW’s I and II, or the Korean war and the Vietnam war . . . it was called the draft, therefore an expectation.

    How is it a privilege to die for an unworthy nation, to fight for the rights of straight people to discriminate against gay people, to fight for to rights of straight people to decide at the ballot box whether or not they will allow gays the same rights?

    A privilege . . . really?

    I don’t think so.

    I served this country in the Army, when I was young and stupid, when I thought I’d left the high school mentality behind in high school . . . when I did not know that this country was unworthy of mine and other gay men and women’s service.

    This country is lucky not all gay people are like me, because if the man I am today was representative of who I was as a kid, and of gay people today . . . back when I had been sexually assaulted in my barracks, and assaulted two other times, when I could not satisfactorily explain why I did not have a girlfriend . . . then this country would have been without a large fighting force.

  7. walter says

    does little ricky think it is a privilege to fight and die and get wounded he has strange vision of privilege. i don’t see his kids
    serving so maybe they are not privileged.

  8. uffda says

    Very soon now the protestors will have made mincemeat of this deluded idiot. It’s not going to be pretty. That’s a given.

    But how do we make sure that our case is sypathetically heard by the population at large? I’m not sure, but living your lives in an out but friendly manner has seemed to work for me.

    Thanks for some of your story Ricco, I love hearing personal stories on this website ,they educate and inspire. Thanks to all.

  9. TJ says

    Being sympathetically heard – UFFDA, you have a point. But I also think that there can be room for both being sympathetic and confrontational. For those yet convinced, being sympathetic (or, better, worthy of empathy) would be important. Being someone known, and out, provides a positive example (even though some will stop at, “He’s one of the good ones.”). For those that get it, who understand and are already sympathetic, being confrontational is not only accepted, but expected. As others would fight for their rights/beliefs, so they would understand you doing the same.

  10. jason says

    No self-respecting gay protester would refer to gay people as “the gays”. I suspect he was either a paid plant or an Occupy protester attempting to appropriate the gay rights cause for political reasons.

    In any case, I don’t see what the point of these anti-Santorum protests is. Santorum is clearly enjoying them. It’s helping him to build credentials with the Right Wing crowd.

  11. billmiller says

    Sadly look at the republicant party, what it is doung in DC and who is and has been running for and gaining office?? Most of them are uneducated, pseudo-christian mopes. They are certain that they are right, and the rest of us are wrong. We must all work for a major back lash against the republicant party these next few election cycles. All of you young people out there need to consider running for office. I did myself twice in Indiana state campaigns. We must all be involved!

  12. Michaelandfred says

    These protests are superb, in all their incarnations. The “average” Americans, the ones in the middle who support marriage equality OR civil unions, the ones who supported DADT repeal by over 80+% and agree with non discrimination in the workplace and housing and in general that we should have equality, need to hear exactly how extreme Santorum, and some of the other candidates, are. The extreme far right doesn’t matter because they agree with him and we will never change their minds, but there are millions of middle of the road, independent, or even moderate Republican voters who have never heard of Santorum, or barely, and for whom these extreme ideas will sound totally nuts and be a complete turn off. On equality, on a woman’s right to choose, on contraception, on the idea that having babies will lift you out of poverty…. and the media is talking about these protests every night.

    Keep it up folks.

  13. jason says

    MichaelandFred,

    Keep in mind that Obama does not support gay marriage either. I’d love to see you protesting at one of his speeches. Pigs might fly, eh?

    On a woman’s right to choose, would you support a woman’s right to abort a baby with a gay gene?

    I truly don’t think you’ve thought about these issues. Think before you speak.

  14. Acronym Jim says

    During Santorum’s “victory” speech after the Iowa caucuses, he invoked his Italian immigrant grandfather. I wondered whether Santorum was an Americanized version of Santorini (in which case, he would have ample reason to want to go back to the original). It turns out there is an interesting etymology to his name that he may ironically/arrogantly apply to himself:

    SANTORI, SANTORIO, SANTORELLI, SANTORIELLI, SANTORINI, SANTORUM: From the medieval first name Santoro, derived from the Latin word Sanctus = Saint, the genitive plural form is “Sanctorum”, used also to indicate the All Saints feast. Possibly connected to someone acting as a saint, or who has connection with religious things (a sacristan).

    For this despicable and petty man, the meaning behind his surname couldn’t be further from the truth.

  15. says

    “Keep in mind that Obama does not support gay marriage either.”

    Jason, as usual you’re on another planet, just like your alter-ego, Alan, above you, and your other alter-ego, Rick.

    Obama has been protested on any number of issues, but on lgbt rights he is not at all comparable to raging bigots like Santorum. Unlike Santorum, Obama opposes DOMA (and his DOJ has stopped defending it), opposes interfering in states that have passed equality, is not pushing to invalidate ALL legal marriages of same-sex couples, is not calling for the reinstatement of DADT, does not compare us to dogs and polygamists . . . need I go on?

    For you to accuse another poster of not thinking is hilarious.

    And, yes, a women should have the right to choose what to do with her own body. The “gay gene” argument is a red herring, the only dish you serve, honey.

  16. says

    As for the heckling of Santorum: I don’t always love the style of individual hecklers, but I’m proud of NH citizens for rolling out the unwelcome mat at Frothy’s every stop in the state. His extremist views may fly among the evangelical bigots of IA, but they won’t fly where sane people live and religious zealots are scarce, and NH is showing him that sweater vests and a milquetoast aura can’t disguise what a nasty little troll Rick is. The best part is that he’s a thin-skinned moron incapable of articulating the simplest of arguments to support his bigotry–he’s no doubt counting the hours till he can exit New England. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out, sweetie. Sadly for us who love watching you squirm, your days are numbered.

  17. ChrisMe says

    Wait a minute!! The WaPo reports that the group appeared to be “a combination of gay rights activists, Ron Paul supporters and Occupy Wall Street protesters.”

    I thought Ron Paul was anti-gay?! 😉

  18. NY2.0 says

    People such as Alan and Jason who state Obama is on the same level as Rick Santorum are simpletons and quite frankly have a beef with the president that goes beyond just gay rights.

    And yes Jason a woman does and should always have a right to do what she wants with her body! Ugh, gay conservatives are such hypocrites.

    Back on topic, Rick Santorum’s group of supporters is an aging and dying breed of individuals. They are the far right that will never change their views when it comes to gay rights. Their views are becoming increasingly irrelevant by the minute.

  19. George M says

    Jason you can keep singing that, once again I’ll point out
    Obama won’t stop you from marrying nor will he take yours from you Unlike your man.
    And YES pro choice is free to abort a child gay or str8

  20. TJ says

    Most people who are pro-choice are also okay with guidelines and restrictions (e.g., first trimester, later only when he life of the mother is threatened). No one I have ever known who has had an abortion has done it cavalierly or capriciously. The reality of abortion is that it ends a potential life. But it also can save a life, that of the woman already here, already viable, with hopes and dreams and potential.

    I think people are open to restriction because people can be reasonable beings, in the same way that granting marriage equality isn’t going to lead to people marrying her toddler, their terrier, or their toaster.

  21. jason says

    Ernie,

    Nobody cares about you.

    On the issue of abortion, no, a woman does not have a right to do “whatever she wants to do with her body”. As a gay man, I oppose a woman’s right to mutilate and destroy another life that is within her for reasons of vanity or inconvenience.

    Before long, these women will be aborting gay babies and having selective abortions in the case of twins where one has the gay gene.

    As a gay man, I would have no hesitation in imprisoning women who do this.

  22. NY2.0 says

    @Jason, just a polite memo. You have no right telling a woman what to do with her body and you never will. No one cares what you think!

    Your logic is no different from right- wingers that stand from a distance being judgmental towards gays. It’s your personal opinion that will never have any influence on what any woman decides to do. Deal with it!

  23. says

    I know, Jason, nobody cares about me. That’s why I’m close to my family and have been in a relationship for over 20 years.

    You’re pro-life, good for you. I’m pro-choice. You can be pro-life from a principled place, or you can be pro-life from a crazy place, the place we’ve leaped ahead into when a gay gene is not only known and easily identified but women are aborting fetuses left and right to get rid of their future gay children. The holes in that argument are so numerous it’s hard to know where to plug the leaks, but we could start with this: anti-choice and anti-gay often go hand in hand, as do pro-choice and pro-gay (see, both have to do with freedom over one’s body, the issues are related, imagine that!), so the wicked ladies most apt to abort their babies in your sci-fi scenario are the ladies most apt to oppose abortion!

    Now you can thank me for giving you a stellar plot for a best-selling fantasy novel, one you might work on in prison when you start taking the law into your own hands. I expect royalties, dude.

  24. josh says

    The liberals that are pro-choice are also pro-gay. Why would they abort gay babies?

    It will be hypocritical ‘pro-life’ conservative women that abort their gay babies, if anyone does it.

    Of course no one will be aborting gay babies due to a gay gene because there is no gay gene. Being gay is biological, but it is due to a complex interaction of multiple genes, hormones, and brain development. It is a developmental process that has epigenetic causes where the pre-natal environment changes the expressions of genes during fetal development.

    There will be a very long time before there will be any test that could determine the orientation of a fetus.

    The idea that people will be aborting gay babies is a psychotic Ann Coulter meme that has no basis in reality anyways.

  25. truelite says

    Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA 2009)

    “One half of the victims…often linked their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences.”

    “The age at the time of the molestation ranged from 4 to 16 with a mean age of 10.”

  26. truelite says

    “There is no support in the scientific research for the conclusion that homosexuality is biologically determined.”

    (A. Byrd, PhD said, Clinical Professor of Medicine, University of Utah School of Medicine)

    Peter Dimrock (MSW) said: “Many men who were sexually abused (especially those abused by other men), are confused about their sexual/affectional preference.”

    (Male Survivor website)

    W.C. Holmes, MD said:
    “Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual…”

  27. truelite says

    Being supportive of the basic civil rights of gays and lesbians does not require a belief in the false notion that people are born gay.

    They are not. Homosexuality is caused by emotional trauma – from childhood neglect, abuse, or any number of other traumatic causes.

    If we love someone, we want to see them healed from the trauma, not married.

    In the Netherlands where gay marriage has been accepted for quite awhile now, has seen no decrease in gay suicide – in fact, some studies show an increase.

    If you do not promote healing and choose to ignore it for your own selfish reasons, their blood is on your hands.

  28. truelite says

    Gay activist and scientist Simon LeVay said: “It’s important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain.” “Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality”.

  29. truelite says

    “I was involved in the homosexual world as a blatant attempt to obtain the affection from other men that I did not receive from my own father.” – Jerry Arterburn, Ex-gay author, AIDS victim.

    “In homosexual men there appears to be a disconnect between them and their fathers as well as an overconnect with them and their mothers…there is the perception of the father being distant, uninvolved…” – Journal of the American

    Medical Association (JAMA) 2009

  30. truelite says

    Lesbian activist Camille Paglia said: “Homosexuality is not ‘normal.’ On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm…Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction…No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous…”

    Lesbian activist and biologist Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling, referring to the “born gay” argument, said: “It provides a legal argument that is, at the moment actually having some sway in court. For me, it’s a very shaky place. It’s bad science and bad politics.”

  31. letmebme says

    Author and AIDS victim Jerry Arterburn said: “I was involved in the homosexual world as a blatant attempt to obtain the affection from other men that I did not receive from my own father.” Due to his sensitive nature, he was more deeply affected than most boys when his own father rejected him early in life. Without a loving father figure, he yearned for affection from other boys by the age of six. His yearning became sexualized at puberty. He said being abused or severely neglected in childhood was “too common a thread to ignore” in the gay community and his female mannerisms were due to his mother, his only role model. He was NOT born gay. But he was saved and transformed, just as the Bible promises all of us, whether gay or straight, as we submit to Christ by repentance and faith.

  32. TJ says

    GEORGE M – you weren’t kidding re: trolls! I remember the opinion of an instructor (also a brilliant neuropsychology researcher) in grad school about JAMA. She stated that JAMA would place in one of the lower tiers, journal-wise, with regard to standards and scientific rigor. But anyway. Posting snippets and opinions and annecdotes, clearly cherry-picked from biased resources, isn’t quite the same thing as providing evidence. But what can one expect from someone with the moniker TRUELITE – the whole truth? Nah. Just enough flavor to make it seem like the real thing, but no real substance.

  33. says

    Let’s give TRUELITE and LETMEBME a round of applause: They have mastered the difficult art of cutting and pasting irrelevant information into blog comment spaces. Well done! I’m sure if you work really hard you’ll also master the ALL CAPS key to make your irrelevant information seem REALLY IMPORTANT.

    Your underside of your bridge is calling you back, guys. Thanks for visiting.

  34. TJ says

    All tongue in check snarking about JAMA aside, would it surprise anyone that I could find no article on JAMA in 2009 that discusses these findings? But if you google homosexual victimization JAMA 2009 you will eventually come across something posted on the web, no author specified, that contains many of these “facts” as well as claims from such paragons of research and ethics (there I go again with the snark) as Nicolosi (sp?). How to lie with statistics – not a new concept.

  35. Mary says

    No, George. I don’t know these new trolls. But hey, Ernie has never said to me “thanks for visiting” so I guess I’m still welcome on Towleroad. At least I try to be polite and respectful. I mean, if you’re going to “visit”, at least try to give trolls a good name,right?

    Ernie, I liked your comment about the underside of their bridge. Funny!

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