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  1. MARCUS BACHMANN says

    There ain’t nothin’ wrong with it IF it’s a bromance. And if it’s more than a bromance than there’s somethin’ wrong. The vid is homophobic.

  2. Rick says

    Actually, the bromance phenomenon represents the front end of the seminal change that we are seeing in the male culture–a change that will result in the taboo against homosexuality being eradicated, NOT because of “gay” activism, but because men, in general, are realizing that their natural soulmates are other men, not women…..and that varying degrees of sexual expression of those bonds are a natural form of behavior.

    In fact, this sea change in the male culture overall will eventually totally obliterate the “gay” culture of effeminacy and the glorification of women and the feminine that has always been its central feature…..and those who continue to try to promote it will become social outcasts for doing so.

    The elimination of emotional dependence on women will free all men to be themselves at long last….doing away with both the artificial concept of romantic love for women AND the artificial concept of “gay” and its embrace of women…….

    ……and the world will be a much, much better place because of it.

  3. MARCUS BACHMANN says

    I am the Master of satire. The “joke” in this video is that they’re in a bromance and should not be mistaken to be a couple of faggots; a concept Andy apparently finds “hot”.

  4. MARCUS BACHMANN says

    Since you asked.

    It’s the insufferable, overused-before-it-even-achieved-ubiquity buzzword of the moment: “Bromance.” Supposedly—and if so, fittingly—coined within the insecure macho skateboarding subculture of the mid-Nineties, the term is loaded with a defensive irony it vainly pretends to preemptively strike. By linking male friendship with romance the neologism at once mocks the “gayness” of open male affection and the perceived “gayness” of open male affection. It’s the perfect passive-aggressive salvo for the enlightened liberal homophobe.

    I’m surprised more people haven’t called out the rampant idiocy of this word. “Bromance” doesn’t suggest our culture has become more comfortable about male bonding; instead its euphemistic qualities suggest a greater sense of embarrassment and self-consciousness about it.

  5. Jose says

    not homophobic at all… they’re not saying it’s wrong to be gay, they’re just saying it’s ok to do gay things even if you’re not gay (and just in a bromance)… people assume and read into things too much… it’s a funny video, get a sense of humor…

  6. Rick says

    @Marcus Bachmann Man, you are so, so wrong–and I suspect the reason you are is that, because you are so accustomed to the “gay”/”straight” paradigm and specifically to the “gay” culture” that is part of that artificial paradigm, you cannot lift yourself up to 30,000 feet and understand what is happening.

    If you honestly think that “straight” men of the younger generation are not more emotionally available to each other and expressive towards each other than previous generations, then you are just not paying attention.

    That greater emotional freedom will naturally, eventually, lead to the desire, in many cases, to give physical expression to these newfound emotions….and that is what this video addresses in a light-hearted way.

    Is there any need to continue to draw lines, either emotionally or sexually, between men? That is what the whole “boundaries” satire is about in this case–they don’t really resolve the question; they just leave it open…..and that is how change occurs–a transition from the certainty that boundaries should exist and where the line should be drawn…..to a breaking down of all boundaries.

    And that little vignette is a snapshot in time of where things are now….we are in the midst of a process of change, which is why it is often hard for people to get their bearings and really understand what is happening.

    And there will be just as many “gay” men threatened by the change we are witnessing as “straight” men are….because change always undercuts people’s sense of security.

    But the change is occurring, no question about it….and its effects on us all can only be positive.

  7. Rick says

    “it’s ok to do gay things”

    Can somebody define “gay things” for me? I have no idea what you mean by that. Really, I don’t, unless it is reference to the culture of effeminacy I originally referred to…

  8. Paul R says

    So you use the name Marcus Bachmann and make invalid arguments claiming that two clearly gay-friendly guys are homophobic. Is that supposed to be funny, clever, ironic, or something else? Because it just seems damn stupid.

  9. Dan Cobbb says

    Here’s the deal. These guys are really funny and good-looking, and satirical and talented. This skit would be a total winner on SNL.

    RICK makes some great points in his post. While straight people love to cram the “complementariness” of men and women down our throats, the fact is that outside of intercourse for relieving sexual needs, in most male/female relationships there is very little that is complementary. Great comedic careers have been made with stand-up acts that highlight just how lacking in complementariness straight relationships are.

  10. anon says

    We used to call “man dates” “hanging out”. Str8 male interaction is very activity based: movies, TV, music, sports, drinking, gambling, etc. It centers more around like-mindedness than “coupling”, so you go bowling with your bowling buddies and gamble with your gambling buddies, etc. Not necessarily the same groups.

  11. Lance says

    Please. They are making fun of homophobia and of macho posturing (whether of the straight or gay variety), in hiphop and elsewhere. I’m well out of their age group, and even I can tell that.
    It’s funny. They’re cute. And that’s a nice peek at the goateed one’s cheeks. End of story.

  12. D.R.H. says

    Rick can’t figure out that his hatred of effeminate gay men is the manifestation of his own internalized homophobia and thus he alludes to a fantasy land future where “macho” men are more in touch their emotions and thus able to (fingers crossed) fall in love with one another while keeping their non-effeminate, manly-man butchness intact.
    Grow a pair, you p*ssy.

  13. Paul R says

    I love that there’s another Chip on here. It’s my real name, but I gave it up 20 years ago at the insistence of my first boss. I still look like a child, and the combo made it too hard for me to attend meetings and charge a fortune.

    But more to the point, I too hate rap. It makes me feel old and seems less like poetry and more like bigotry. Again, it makes me feel old.

  14. ludovico says

    Astute analysis Rick; MB–you’re all wet; D.R.H. is right–it satirizes homophobia, so lighten up people! It’s funny, the boys are cute–what’s not to like?!

  15. Tom in long beach says

    So much of what is perceived to be acting gay is pure modern social construct. Social norms that are artificial and rooted in homophobia…

    this was good satire of that.

  16. Jon says

    That’s weird, I don’t normally agree with Rick but I do this time (if it’s the same Rick that I keep reading). Though I certainly don’t hate effeminate gay men or think they should change their mannerisms or anything, as another reader suggested. But to me the ‘bromance’ phenomenon seems to be a response to the labeling of male friendships as ‘gay’ with a negative connotation.

    For example, I remember about ten years ago in my late teens I went to a mall with a straight, male friend of mine. We were looking for jeans in a particular store, and the sales woman started making subtle insinuations that we were a gay couple simply because we were shopping together. Normally I would just say “Hey, we aren’t together” and would forget about it. But she started lisping and stuff, saying my friend had a sore ass (the insinuation was that I was F***ing him) and one of her friends that didn’t work at the store was laughing at us. There was, in the culture, this assumption that two males hanging out in public is kind of gay. I think the idea of ‘bromance’ combats that.

    Also, someone wanted scholarly studies about some comments that Rick made. I would suggest people interested in this topic read feminist author Gayle Rubin’s critique of Marxism as a place to start. Her idea is essentially that beneath the proletariat/bourgeoisie distinction, the gender hierarchy is foundational. All sorts of interesting implications arise from that observation. Also, the book ‘Love, Sex, Intimacy and Friendship Between Men, 1550-1800′ contains an article on homoplatonic relationships (the history of the bromance, if you will). Both works are widely read in feminist/queer/liberal arts circles.

  17. Rob says

    Great video and I see a warmth behind the satire. It makes me root for them being together, somehow.

    I think we’re all fighting for status, just like we were in high school. It saddens me that men with more masculine mannerisms occupy higher status in the world, even in gay culture, than our more effeminate peers. It’s reminds me of how light-skinned blacks were seen as “less black” years ago, and occupied a higher status in the black community. To insinuate that “less gay” is better is to say that gay is bad. It would be nice if we’d quit saying that. It seems to be right on point for them- “What’s wrong with it?” is a fun, punchy lyric and it asks a great question.

  18. Paul in Charleston says

    “the “gay” culture of effeminacy and the glorification of women and the feminine that has always been its central feature…” Very telling phrase here that leads me to believe that our Rick is somewhat of a misogynist. So, his intense dislike of what he perceives as “feminine” males makes complete sense to me now. His disdain, contempt for and dislike of the feminine is of course doubled for those (males )he believes are betraying the masculine ideal.
    The Bromantic Movement is all about males throwing away the out-dated, harmful and limiting John Wayne hyper masculine ideal. The movement is challenging what we perceive as “masculine’ and what we perceive as “feminine”, what we perceive as “gay” and what we perceive as “straight”. The lines are blurring! And in a few generations only dinosaurs are going to be clutching the old ideals in a death grip.

  19. Rick says

    @Rob and Paul in Charleston Both of your comments demonstrate that you completely DON’T get the point of the video. And the reason you don’t get it is that, like so many “gay” men, you EQUATE homosexuality and effeminacy, just as the homophobic society around you has taught you to.

    This video absolutely does NOT endorse effeminacy–the masculine tone of the rapping clearly points to just the opposite. What it says is that masculinity and masculine values are compatible with loving another man and even having sex with another man….and are an extension of it, in direct opposition to what both the cultural norm of this society and that of “gay” culture suggest.

    The line between masculine and effeminate is not blurring at all–and it is both sad that you cannot see it and sad that you want to continue endorsing effeminacy, which is nothing but a product of gay oppression.

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