1. says

    for far too many gay men, blaming “blacks” is the only thing they can do to distract themselves from the reality that their own white families haven’t done a damned thing to promote LGBT Equality.

  2. gaylib says

    gee, kiwi, how much is NOM paying you to continue their objective of driving a wedge between the gay and black communities? What a tool. Please stuff a sock in it and crawl back under your rock.

  3. Mike B. says

    @littlekiwi I don’t think that distracts from the issue at all. You can’t pretend that nom’s tactics–and any success they’ve had–is not only an indictment of the process of direct democracy, but also speaks volumes about the need for a turn-around in a *particular* group of Americans. Your comment is a misdirect and fails to address the issue properly, much like your comments in the previous post consisted almost entirely of ad hominem attacks.

  4. says

    dear “gaylib” – unlike you i don’t hide under a rock or post from a place of anonymity.

    i’m driving no wedge between blacks and gays – insecure gay men who blame blacks for anti-gay prejudice are.

    hating black people won’t make your bigoted families respect you any more. wise up.

  5. Mike B. says

    I should add by “turn-around” I mean that we, the LGBT community, should be making particular efforts in outreach/education towards the black community in America. The difficulty lies in a culture soaked in homophobia, from both cultural and religious leaders. I cannot suggest a strategy, but I do think it’s important to try and bridge our current divide. Out gay men and women are, in particular, important role models.

  6. Mike B. says

    @littlekiwi – look up ad hominem. you’re just copy pasting at this point, not adding to the conversation, and a hypocrite. you’re projecting racism and hatred, and you don’t even know your fellow posters are black or not… have you noticed that you’re blindly blaming non-blacks? we’re tired of your racist, ridiculous posts.

  7. says

    Mike B, good luck convincing the racist gay men to do that.

    rather than reach out, they’d much prefer anonymously blaming the black community in online forums.

    there is indeed a particular segment of america that needs to turn it around – and that’s actually the gay white male population.

    that the “black blamers” can never put a face to their rants only proves me right. i’ve been involved in activism and advocacy for more than a decade, proudly standing alongside our brothers and sisters of colour.

    prove me wrong boys. stand up to be counted and be visible.

  8. says

    you’re tired of my “racist” posts?

    here’s something to consider – none of you have ever proven me wrong.

    of course i can tell who’s black or not – i’ve been around long enough to recognize “things insecure gay white men say” when i see/hear them.

    i’m not blindly-blaming non-blacks – i’m pointing out a reality – the guys who complain about “black homophobia” aren’t doing s**t in their own lives to give a face and name to LGBT Equality.

    click my name and see my stuff.

  9. Rick says

    @ENDO Why would it make my head explode? Mr. Bond essentially agrees with me that NOM does NOT have the ability to manipulate blacks in any way and they are therefore not in any way responsible for black homophobia and hostility to gay rights.

    “The idea that these people are just pawned that can be played with — that black people who oppose gay marriage, that black people who support just can be moved around like pieces on a chess board. It’s scary.”

    And then there is this:

    “NOM’s underhanded attempts to divide will not succeed if Black Americans remember their own history of discrimination. Pitting bigotry’s victims against other victims is reprehensible; the defenders of justice must stand together.”

    Yes, this has been the mantra of the Left for decades now. But there is one gigantic fly in the ointment. And that is that, unlike Mr. Bond, the vast majority of blacks have demonstrated time and again that they either do NOT remember their history of discrimination or that they remember it but do not see it as a reason to empathize with or be sympathetic towards gay people.

    In fact, Bond’s statements pull the rug right out from under those of you who are trying to use “religion” or “income” or “education” as excuses for the hypocrisy of blacks who only care about civil rights when it comes to their own self-interest and not when it comes to the interests of other minorities.

    Following his logic, blacks who are hostile to gay rights should be called out for the hypocritical, unprincipled people that they are…..which is exactly what I and a few others have done.

  10. ophu says

    …I think it’s safe to assume that if you see someone on this comment thread preaching hate, they’re working for NOM. Whether they’re actually on the payroll or not, whether they want to or not, whether they even REALIZE it… or not… they’re doing NOM’s dirty work for them. And that’s bad for everyone. :(

  11. Brim says

    It is really interesting to read this article (Julian Bond on NOM) and the article about North Carolina back-to-back. It’s great to see a leading face of NAACP weigh in on this and how “the black vote” gets exploited. Great stuff, Towleroad. And the comment sections are interesting too.

  12. Bob says

    WOW! littleweewee has outdone itself.
    Saying that Blacks are typicially prejudiced against Gays is just realistic.

    Bothering to reply to littleweewee is spending effort that ought to go towards equality

  13. ophu says

    @Bob: Railing against the black community is spending effort that ought to go towards reaching out to it. If you don’t want hate, don’t preach REALISTIC–talk about love. Instead of making a fist, extend a hand. Hate is what NOM wants. Hate divides. Hate alienates. Most of our allies are straight. There are and awful lot of straight people in the black community. Sure, some of them are gay, but they’re mostly straight, and they can be our allies or our enemies. If you want to make allies out of them, then do whatever you can to counter NOM’s rhetoric. Don’t do NOM’s dirty work for them. If you hand them ammunition, you think they won’t use it? IF YOU USE THE ANIMUS TOWARDS US OF A SEGMENT OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO DEMONIZE THE WHOLE RACE–don’t you think that will only create more animus?

    I could’ve sworn most of this was self-explanatory already… 😐

  14. Tarc says

    If he thinks that’s cynical, he’d be bllown away at the plans of the conservative and religius leaders in the US. This is clumsy child’s play compared to the truly heinous plans they make. I think it’s deserving of international war crimes investigation.

  15. Bob says

    @OPHU — I am not railing against Blacks. I have spent over 50 years around them. I have engaged in a number of discussion with Black men and women on HuffPo in the last year. The replies I get are typically “Gays are prejudiced against Blacks, are outrageous to say their marriage is Civil Rights, LBGT organizations do not fight for Black rights, so we won’t fight for you”
    and more than anything “we do not like your sin”
    In other words, NO rational discussion with dozens of Black folks, so I think reaching out to them AT THIS TIME is stupid, it’s better to reach to people who are more willing to see our value.

    Just because we emphathize with the plight of Black people does NOT mean that they empathize with us They seem to take it as arrogant of us to place that expectation,and they are RIGHT.

  16. ophu says

    @Bob: Bob, i don’t know who you are or where you’ve been, but if you read from the script that NOM has written you are doing us a disservice, you’re doing the black community a disservice, and you’re doing America a disservice. Please, put your own animus to the side for the time being and don’t give up on the black community because some of our strongest allies have come from there, Julian Bond and Coretta Scott King among them. It serves no good to rail against the black community, them or us. And yes, you are railing against the black community.

  17. Chitown Kev says

    Such a silly discussion.

    To an extent,though, Little Kiwi is right.

    Easier for white gay folks to blame blacks than “their own kind.”

    Easier for black gays to point the finger at white gay racism (however justified) and not look at their own families.

    It’s always easier to point the finger. That’s a very human trait.

  18. MooseintheOC says

    Robert George, founder of NOM, just was appointed to the US Commission for International Religious Freedom. NOM’s talking points, arguments and strategies come from this man, who calls for the arrest and imprisonment and promoting bigotry of LGBT people. If you believe NOM’s tactics are reprehensible, please take the time to fill out this petition on the White House’s webpage condemning the appointment of Robert George. Pass the word along and post where you it is appropriate.!/petition/condemn-appointment-bigot-robert-george-us-commission-international-religious-freedom/TFPJSmSh?

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