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The Ladies of 'The View' Debate the Chick-fil-A Backlash: VIDEO

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A heated discussion on The View yesterday over what ways are appropriate to go after Chick-fil-A over its anti-gay marriage donations and statements from COO Dan Cathy supporting "Biblical" marriage.

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EmanuelIn related news, Salon's Glenn Greenwald, who is gay, takes on Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel over the issue:

It’s always easy to get people to condemn threats to free speech when the speech being threatened is speech that they like. It’s much more difficult to induce support for free speech rights when the speech being punished is speech they find repellent. But having Mayors and other officials punish businesses for the political and social views of their executives — regardless of what those views are — is as pure a violation of the First Amendment’s guarantee of free speech as it gets, and beyond that, is genuinely dangerous.

If you support what Emanuel is doing here, then you should be equally supportive of a Mayor in Texas or a Governor in Idaho who blocks businesses from opening if they are run by those who support same-sex marriage — or who oppose American wars, or who support reproductive rights, or who favor single-payer health care, or which donates to LGBT groups and Planned Parenthood, on the ground that such views are offensive to Christian or conservative residents. You can’t cheer when political officials punish the expression of views you dislike and then expect to be taken seriously when you wrap yourself in the banner of free speech in order to protest state punishment of views you like and share. Free speech rights means that government officials are barred from creating lists of approved and disapproved political ideas and then using the power of the state to enforce those preferences.

MeninoBoston Mayor Thomas Menino, whose letter to the company telling it to "back out" of Boston went viral earlier this week, is clarifying his stance:

“Originally, I said I would do every­thing I can to stop them.’ And that was mostly using the bully pulpit of being mayor of the city and getting public support. But I didn’t say I would not allow them to go for permits or anything like that. I just said we would do everything we can, bully pulpit-wise.”

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  1. Donations to anti-gay causes are not "speech," Mr. Greenwald. They are actions. In any case, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.

    Posted by: Butch | Jul 27, 2012 10:44:27 AM


  2. I can't view the video but I wonder if any of these learned ladies queried CFA's support of "biblical marriage", given that it's full of incest, polygamy, blood tributes and subjugation of women.

    Posted by: MikeW | Jul 27, 2012 10:46:36 AM


  3. I don't think preventing Chik-Fil-A from expanding or people petitioning to close existing stores will help. Speak with your dollars. They will see profits decrease as a result of their actions from both lgbt and straight people. As profits decrease, they won't need to open new stores and existing ones may close.

    Posted by: TyN | Jul 27, 2012 10:48:58 AM


  4. I can't view the video either...but I'd bet my car Sherri Sheperd (the biggest bigot on television) is standing strongly with Chik Fil A.

    Posted by: Scot Johansen | Jul 27, 2012 10:49:51 AM


  5. @ Scott

    Sherri Sheperd went on an anti gay campaign virtually every day leading up to Prop 8. She made so many hurtful comments toward marriage equality, planting seeds of doubt to viewers, pushing scare tactics and ultimately being partially responsible perhaps for instelling fear in people. I will never forget or forgive her actions of pure hate during that time. Especially for someone who was in the same breath so vocal about Obama getting elected and it being the time for black people to attain equality

    Posted by: Jaime | Jul 27, 2012 10:52:24 AM


  6. Can't stand these women, minus Joy and occasionally Whoopi. The rest are truly vile.

    Posted by: Mark | Jul 27, 2012 10:52:52 AM



  7. Vince Quackenbush is a FIRST AMENDMENT ABSOLUTIST. This means he believes in say hat he thinks. It does not mean that one is immune from the effects of that "speech". Boycotts of persons and corporations which offend anyone are merely another form of Free Speech!

    Posted by: vince quackenbush | Jul 27, 2012 10:53:34 AM


  8. The problem is, there's not enough gay people in this country to really leave a dent in Chik Fil A's pockets. In a few weeks, all will be forgotten about this scandel, and Chik Fil A will continue donating MILLIONS to stripping us of our equality. That is what is most frustrating here. And what needs to end.

    I wish more gay people were actively involved in the LGBT community and organizations to make change. But too many just go on with their lives without devoting much to the movement. So Chik Fil A, as a result, will continue thriving and conating eventually many more millions to people who truly want to destroy us. Think about that.

    Posted by: CarmelCadet | Jul 27, 2012 10:56:09 AM


  9. I think we need to see this for what it is. Has the mayor of Chicago, Boston or anywhere else halted the companys expansion in their city? No.

    When the CEO of the #10 fast food franchise in America says they have and will continue to use their profits to circumvent the rights of millions of Americans it is viewed as an attack. These mayors felt they themselves and their consitutents where being attacked by a multi-million dollar corporation and attacked back.

    People are acting like they're already guilty of something when in reality all they've done is represent their constituents. Chick fil-a has actually acting upon what it's saying... there's an enormous difference.

    Posted by: NewEnglandMan22 | Jul 27, 2012 11:01:54 AM


  10. This will not be forgotten, Carmelcadet. Absolutely not. Dan Cathy has said and done too much for that to happen. Lines have been crossed. With that being said, there are too many apathetic gays and straights who *say* they are for equality, but sit on their butts and do nothing in cases like this. Way too much apathy. With that being said, the backlash here has been stern and I think highlights that this apathy is starting to dissipate and people are getting serious.

    Mr. Greenwald is clueless, just like Antoine Dobson. No-one is taking away free speech. I am BEYOND sick and tired of people acting as if it's totally OK to be anti-gay, or that being anti-gay is legitimate and on the same plane as having a natural gay orientation. It is not, it never will be, and no-one has to support the choice to be a bigot.

    Posted by: Francis | Jul 27, 2012 11:02:13 AM


  11. It looks like that you, liberal fascists, overplayed your hand. When the Boston Globe editorial and Salon condemn the fascist tactics of your allies it's time to give up.

    Posted by: AG | Jul 27, 2012 11:09:19 AM


  12. Greenwald obviously doesn't support equal rights for all human beings. What the mayors and othgers against Chick-Filled-With-Hate are doing is stopping discrimination. Any organization that encourages discrimination of treating certain citizens of America as second class or worse. All those businesses should be stopped.

    Posted by: Bobby | Jul 27, 2012 11:11:08 AM


  13. So by that apparently self-hating gay guy's logic, corporate presidents should also be allowed to spew racist, sexist, ageist, and whatever other types of hateful comments and not suffer consequences because that's simply free speech.

    Pathetic.

    For the record, Chicago has just one Chik-Fil-A. Boston has none. It's a mainly Southern chain because its food is gross.

    Posted by: Paul R | Jul 27, 2012 11:25:09 AM


  14. I can't stand to watch the View clip, but Glenn Greenwald is being a bit hysterical. He's also implying that a company using their fortune take away civil rights is the functional equivalent of a company that supports the expansion of civil rights that will harm no one. Chick-Fil-A was causing direct harm with their millions, and the mayors and citizens of equality-supportive locales have the right and responsibility to say that Chick-Fil-A values are not our values and strongly suggest that they go elsewhere. Use their bully pulpit, as Mayor Menino put it. (And, personally, I'd welcome some anti-equality mayor trying to justify stopping a pro-equality business and then be shamed for his stance by those outside his bigot bubble.)

    Now, whether politicians can, in reality, block a discrimination-promoting business from permits because of their anti-gay actions is a different matter, and some politicians may have to step back (as the Boston mayor is doing) and investigate the legal and constitutional boundaries. But that's what the permitting process is for, and Chick-Fil-A may be able to steamroll their way into neighborhoods full of people they believe are unworthy of basic human rights. Then it becomes a public relations dilemma question for them, also part of the process.

    What this exchange of free speech is doing is exposing CFA's extreme bigotry to the light, and it will play out as it plays out. And if CFA ends up opening in any of these places you can bet their non-discrimination policies will be investigated.

    Posted by: Ernie | Jul 27, 2012 11:27:34 AM


  15. Lol look at ignorant Sherri Sheperd jumping up and down her seat to defend Chik Fil A. How Hollywood keeps supporting such a well known homophobe is beyond me. I wouldn't work with her on a project if they paid millions

    Posted by: JOJo | Jul 27, 2012 11:29:54 AM


  16. How come Sherry is so quick to always come to the defense of stories related to black people being mistreated, an yet by all accounts the most anti gay on the show?
    She said her pastor could be sued if Prop 8 passed, which was a misleading lie. She said she's throw her son out on the streets if he wore womens clothes. She was in favor of the 'don't say gay' bill here in Tennessee and she doesn't believe gays should donate blood.

    Posted by: TennesseeTrunes | Jul 27, 2012 11:32:51 AM


  17. Seriously, has Sherri Sheperd EVER taken a pro gay stance on this show? I've been watching this show for years, and I can't stand Elizabeth but she has on numerous occasions defended the gay person in a story. Not once has Sherri ever sided with us. Even in bullying cases of gay teens, Sherri would comment "but do we truly know they were bullied for being gay?"
    I do believe she's more dangerous than she's called out for. Heck, she's hardly called out by out community.

    Posted by: Jared | Jul 27, 2012 11:36:01 AM


  18. I remember watching an episode and the topic was about dont ask dont tell. All the ladies, including Elizabeth Hasselback and Barbara Walters argued that if you have the courage to fight for our country, you have to right to freely be yourself. I couldn't believe my ears when Sherri chimed in and said something along the lines of men and women dont share the sam bathroom stall because of attraction, and dont ask dont tell serves a purpose to protect straight people's comfort levels. Just awful. I don't understand why she's on the panel. I dont find her amusing. Or insightful

    Posted by: Art Smith | Jul 27, 2012 11:39:49 AM


  19. Why does everyone always give Elisabeth a hard time but nobody ever talks about what a homophobic bytch Sherri is? At least Elisabeth supports gay marriage. It's Sherri on that show that's the anti-gay one. The fat wh0re is VERY anti-gay.

    Posted by: Ugly Sherri | Jul 27, 2012 11:43:15 AM


  20. The women on the View represent the variety of perspectives shared by their audience. Dig it.

    Posted by: Vince | Jul 27, 2012 11:53:38 AM


  21. Because it's politically incorrect for gay groups to go after homophobic black women, especially if they are a democrat. You'll never see it happen. You'll almost never see an organization like GlAAD go after a known homophobic black female. I find it ridiculous, but our need for political correctness is why homophobia exists in the capacity it does.

    Posted by: SlyEggrolla | Jul 27, 2012 12:03:46 PM


  22. Because it's politically incorrect for gay groups to go after homophobic black women, especially if they are a democrat. You'll never see it happen. You'll almost never see an organization like GlAAD go after a known homophobic black female. I find it ridiculous, but our need for political correctness is why homophobia exists in the capacity it does.

    Posted by: SlyEggrolla | Jul 27, 2012 12:03:48 PM


  23. I've always found Sheri the most offensive on the panel. I actually stopped watching the show because of her. She is truly the most homophobic person on television and yes, it's true, she literally has nothing good to say about gay people. I remember her fawning over Carrie Prejean and saying what a brave women that homophobe was for saying she doesnt believe gays should have hospital visitation rights!

    Posted by: Terrel | Jul 27, 2012 12:08:36 PM


  24. I have a hard time taking Greenwald's hysterical criticism to heart.

    This is a man who fled the US and went to Brazil over gay rights and pledged to stay there until gay marriage was legal in the US.

    This is an old white guy who met a Brazillian male prostitute half his age on the beach and then they "fell in love".

    And he is going to speak down to us for taking a little peaceful civil action against a company that has spent millions donating to anti-gay groups.

    Really?

    Posted by: Apparatus | Jul 27, 2012 12:14:44 PM


  25. The ladies were correct. We do have freedom of speech in this country. Although there are consequences of that speech if you are a business and if you are donating to groups that hurt people. When the light of day is shown on these actions the public can make their own decisions on whether to patronize the business. The Chic Filet people have their head so far up the ass of the Evangelicals that they have forgotten why their corporation exists in the first place which is to make a profit.

    Posted by: Rob | Jul 27, 2012 12:26:55 PM


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