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First PPP Post-Election Poll Reveals Republican Bitterness, 5 Point Increase in Democratic Identification

PPP's first post-election poll is out:

Debate49% of GOP voters nationally say they think that ACORN stole the election for President Obama. We found that 52% of Republicans thought that ACORN stole the 2008 election for Obama, so this is a modest decline, but perhaps smaller than might have been expected given that ACORN doesn't exist anymore.

Some GOP voters are so unhappy with the outcome that they no longer care to be a part of the United States. 25% of Republicans say they would like their state to secede from the union compared to 56% who want to stay and 19% who aren't sure.

One reason that such a high percentage of Republicans are holding what could be seen as extreme views is that their numbers are declining. Our final poll before the election, which hit the final outcome almost on the head, found 39% of voters identifying themselves as Democrats and 37% as Republicans. Since the election we've seen a 5 point increase in Democratic identification to 44%, and a 5 point decrease in Republican identification to 32%.

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  1. Republican voters are increasingly an isolated bunch. We deserve a viable second choice.

    Posted by: Gast | Dec 4, 2012 6:04:33 PM


  2. Republicans and their ignorant nonsense are the reason why ACORN no longer exists, so how is it possible that ACORN "stole" the election for Obama?

    Posted by: Zee | Dec 4, 2012 6:04:35 PM


  3. If they put half as much effort into charitable work or doing something to better the world, just think how much good could get done! But no, they will never get over the fact we have a black president (and a Democrat too!) and will just try to tear the country down from the inside to get their own way. They need to get over it!

    Posted by: BETTY | Dec 4, 2012 6:21:25 PM


  4. 25% want to secede? Didn't we play around with that idea, oh about 150 years ago? 600,000 deade? Some guy from a new political party named Lincoln?

    On the other hand, wtf? Think what the country could be like without Texas and South Carolina.

    Posted by: melvin | Dec 4, 2012 6:30:42 PM


  5. The idea of succession was already answered during the Civil War. It was bad for the nation. People that are pushing succession should be dealt with via the Patriot Act, after all it is a law of this country. "disappear" these people that would harm our nation.

    Posted by: Nigel | Dec 4, 2012 6:56:36 PM


  6. Seriously, what drugs are these "republicans" taking? They live in some strange fantasy world that isn't pretty, ethereal or wonderous...it's just fear, paranoia, and anger all the time. Democrats had good reason to want to leave the country in 2000 when Bush was elected because he had a history of failure and stupidity and it was bourne out. Obama, on the other hand, has done nothing but improve our country after the dimbulb that was there before. Seriously, can't we re-institute these mentally challenged people (thanks Ronnie Reagan).

    Posted by: woodroad34 | Dec 4, 2012 7:08:01 PM


  7. @ Melvin

    I do--or rather don't think about them at all....in fact what is a "texas" or a "southern carolina" or even an 'arizona'?

    Posted by: woodroad34 | Dec 4, 2012 7:17:24 PM


  8. @melvin: while the idea of leaving the union was rejected 150 years ago or so, some of us think that, aside from ending slavery and granting civil rights to blacks, not letting them leave was a mistake. Sometimes it is fun to joke about how much better off we'd be if the conservatives were in a different country: maybe we could name the country Indocilistan (from the Latin word indocilis (unteachable, untaught, ignorant, rude, artless] and the ending "stan", indicating a country but actually of Persian origin meaning "place of".

    Posted by: Bill | Dec 4, 2012 7:36:04 PM


  9. Believe it or not there was a time, mabye 40 years ago when the GOP was dominated by intelligent WASP conservatives. Today the GOP is in the hands of wing nut "birthers", creationists, global warming deniers, zenophobes, homophobes and just plain morons.

    Posted by: andrew | Dec 4, 2012 7:59:16 PM


  10. My parents became conservative republicans while they were generally losing touch with reality... There was no other explanation for them, and maybe that also applies to the ten members of GOProud! :)

    Posted by: TonyJazz | Dec 4, 2012 8:25:31 PM


  11. I'm less concerned about the 25% that want to secede than the 19% who aren't sure.

    The first is akin to Democrats saying that they'd like to move to Canada after Bush was elected, or my thought process when I hear some jackass talking about secession... imagine the fun we could have without so-and-so in office? Fun stuff.

    But then there are those 19%... WTF! You're not sure whether you want to tear your country apart?! You are considering the possibility of turning traitor and destroying your county... this is something that you have to think about for a bit?! Those are the bastards we should be worried about. That 19% is considering whether they stil want to be Americans at all. That's sad and pathetic.

    Posted by: Steven H | Dec 4, 2012 11:32:52 PM


  12. You know those local TV news teasers that are like, "Are you using something in your kitchen that can KILL you?! Tune in at 11 and find out!" Then if you watch later it's some completely overblown BS.

    Old people eat that sh*t up. They actually LIKE having things to worry about! Almost as much as they like things to be angry and/or offended about.

    And that's where all the wedge issues and Fox News comes in. Not to mention Right Wing radio and websites. It's like a paranoid fantasy land where EVERYBODY is out to get you. The President is a foreign born Muslim Communist who wants to take away your GUNS! Psst. And he's black! The gays are gonna destroy marriage! And they're nothing but baby-killers! And Christianity is in danger! Republicans are the ONLY people in this country who have jobs and everybody else are freeloaders who want to take your stuff!

    The more irrational and paranoid they get, the more irrational GOP voters become. It's a closed loop and objective reality need not apply.

    Posted by: Caliban | Dec 4, 2012 11:40:07 PM


  13. Caliban nailed it. The Republican Party thrives on fear and ignorance.

    Posted by: Mikemike | Dec 5, 2012 1:24:30 AM


  14. So they don't get their way and want to leave. Talk about sore losers! And worse, not only was there a 5% increase in Democrat identification, but a 5% DECREASE in Republican identification. That's it folks; game over. Republicans are dead, and the final nail in the coffin will be 2014. It'll be sad to see them go, but it's not quite nearly as sad as seeing them hanging around.

    Posted by: Matt | Dec 5, 2012 1:26:28 AM


  15. Yes! Capital idea! Lets be a one party state! Better still, lets become a totalitarian dictatorship!! That's it! That's the ticket!!

    Posted by: ratbastard | Dec 5, 2012 6:53:53 AM


  16. Yes! Capital idea! Lets be a one party state! Better still, lets become a totalitarian dictatorship!! That's it! That's the ticket!!

    Posted by: ratbastard | Dec 5, 2012 6:53:54 AM


  17. Yup...the Republicans suck a** [and they do], but the Democrats are pure as the driven snow...LOL

    So many child-like posters on TR, along with the MEGA trolls and shills.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Dec 5, 2012 6:56:22 AM


  18. I can't imagine in the Republican party of my youth that 1% of the republicans would have thought that a no longer existing organization like ACORN stole an election, let alone 49%. Nixon's Southern Strategy sure has led to the downfall of the once GOP.

    Posted by: andrew | Dec 5, 2012 10:13:58 AM


  19. Ratbastard, did you watch the Rachel Maddow clip that was posted right after the election where she talked about how, in a two-party system such as ours, BOTH parties are supposed to offer rational plans and solutions to problems that can be debated and voted on? Her point, and I believe it to be true, is that the Republican party is for the most part no longer rational so they're not holding up their end of the bargain.

    And it's their own fault. Starting in 1980, the Republican party saw that their actual fiscal policies were not going to get them elected because they didn't benefit the majority of voters- they'd have to vote against their own interests. So the decided to exploit "wedge issues," Guns, Gays, and God basically, but also abortion and race/class resentment, but the resentment going DOWN to the lower classes, not up to the wealthy who were making out like bandits. (Remember "welfare Queens"?) They could get people to vote against their own financial interests if they could convince them that "the family" was under threat, Christianity was under threat, their 2nd Amendment right to guns was under threat. Keep them scared and you can tell them what to do.

    The problem is that it worked too well. Instead of the old-style, often Ivy League educated "conservatives" staying in power while their dupes kept voting them in, the dupes noticed that once they were in office the Rockefeller Republicans weren't following through on their rhetoric. They weren't limiting abortion or "putting prayer back into schools" or any of the stuff they used to get elected.

    So the dupes started electing their own to public office, from school boards & Congress to the Presidency. People who believe the Earth is 6,000 years old +/-. People who believe the US is a "Christian Nation," and creationism should be taught in public schools. Nixon would be too liberal for them. H*ll, REAGAN would be too liberal for them!

    In short, ideologues who are not rational, dealing with reality as it objectively exists. And now they've taken over the GOP. Are the Democrats sainted angels, pure as the driven snow? Not only no but f*ck no! As all politicians tend to be they're often greedy, slimy, and craven. But at least most of the time they're dealing with observable reality and not some paranoid fantasy land or ecstatic religious vision. The GOP as it stands is filled with kooks and their is no reasoning with kooks.

    Posted by: Caliban | Dec 5, 2012 10:30:43 AM


  20. it's interesting...when you ask a democrat what their issues with the GOP are they can, more often than not, list the specifics of policy and campaign tactics that offend them.

    when you ask a republican what their issue with the democrats is, it becomes obvious that they just hate them "because they're democrats", and then they have to SEARCH for reasons to hate them, none of which have anything to do with the specifics of policy, and everything to do with whatever buzz-term a Fox News Racist used last night on the boob tube.

    i don't understand "party allegiance" - doesnt' it make more sense to vote for whomever is running on POLICIES that you care most about? i don't get this culture of "well i don't like their policies anymore, but i'm a ________ so i'm gonna vote _______ anyway."


    your party won't change to be the way you want them to be if you keep voting for them even as they work against what you feel they should represent.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Dec 5, 2012 11:16:51 AM


  21. The Republicans/conservatives were very big on appropriate respect for POTUS, regardless of who he was - until Obama. The R/c were very big on appropriate respect for the elective process, until Obama. The R/c were very big on appropriate respect for the nation as a whole, until Obama. How can *anyone* seriously be a R/c these days?

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Dec 5, 2012 12:13:21 PM


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