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Rachel Maddow Lays Out Why Chuck Hagel's Positions on Rape, Abortion, and Gays are Important: VIDEO


Rachel Maddow took a thorough look at Chuck Hagel's positions on rape, abortion, gays, and illuminates why all these issues are very important in considering Hagel's nomination.


HagelIn related news, Talking Points Memo looks further into Hagel's "aggressively gay" remarks about ambassador Jim Hormel and notes that they related to a Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence (a nun drag activist group) performance Hormel was seen watching and he expanded upon the remarks:

“It is very clear on this tape that he’s laughing and enjoying the antics of an anti-Catholic gay group in this gay parade,” Hagel told the paper in the 1998 interview. “I think it’s wise for the president not to go forward with this nomination.”

TPM adds:

Hagel told the paper at the time that being gay shouldn’t disqualify a candidate from being an ambassador, but that Hormel’s conduct would diminish his effectiveness.

Hormel “very aggressively told the world of his gayness and the funding and all the things he’s been involved in,” Hagel was quoted as saying. “I think you do go beyond common sense there, and reason and a certain amount of decorum.”

“If you send an ambassador abroad with a cloud of controversy hanging over him,” he said, “then I think it’s unfair to our country, it’s unfair to the host country and it’s unfair to the ambassador because the effectiveness of that individual is going to be seriously curtailed. That’s just a fact of life. And I believe Hormel’s situation is one of those.”

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  1. Thank you for this link! What an informative, concise explanation.

    Posted by: Book | Jan 9, 2013 10:08:55 AM

  2. Our servicemen and women, straight and gay, have been dying in the thousands the past ten years on pointless military actions. The most important consideration for the Secretary of Defense should be whether he or she has the right outlook on matters of war and peace. According to all sources, Hagel is a man who will resist putting our troops in harm's way unless it is absolutely necessary and in the best interests of the nation. I think peace-loving citizens should support the nomination - and trust that the Administration's support of gay rights and abortion access will not be undermined by the appointment.

    Posted by: Colin | Jan 9, 2013 10:30:42 AM

  3. There are so many developers working on this segment but this is one of the best innovative idea ever.

    Posted by: | Jan 9, 2013 10:48:41 AM

  4. While I largely agree with Colin, Rachel as usual explains more in eight minutes than the rest of the pundits do in a week.

    Posted by: melvin | Jan 9, 2013 10:56:18 AM

  5. I sort of wonder why Obama puts people like this up in the first place. Even Republicans don't like this guy.

    Posted by: SoSeriouslyY | Jan 9, 2013 11:52:25 AM

  6. In addition to grilling Hagel about what steps he will take to ensure that gay men and women are treated respectfully within the military, he should also be asked what steps he will take to rectify the military's horrific record in dealing with rape and sexual assaults in its ranks. This is the subject of an excellent if very upsetting and infuriating 2012 documentary film "The Invisible War," which I recommend (and which is on the short list for an Academy Award nomination). The military has done far worse than not taken complaints seriously -- they have treated anyone who complains with suspicion at best and threats of violence at worse.

    Posted by: MichaelJ | Jan 9, 2013 12:29:22 PM

  7. Rachael is simply a goddess, period. I may be a gay guy, but she is a goddess. Wow.

    Posted by: Geoff | Jan 9, 2013 12:57:07 PM

  8. Rachel really is the best out there at breaking things down and explaining them clearly and concisely.

    I hadn't really bothered to look deeper into the Hagel controversy. I wasn't even sure there really WAS a controversy, since on the surface it seemed to be just another example of the GOP being "The Party Of NO," opposing something merely because Obama is for it. Thanks to Rachel's segment, now I see why it's important, why the "Left" may have have very good reasons for opposing Hagel's nomination.

    It also gives me a more nuanced view of the Log Cabin Republican's opposition to Hagel, though I still think they need to disclose the source of their funding for their anti-Hagel ads. I seriously doubt that whoever is funding them opposes Hagel for any of the reasons Rachel Maddow discusses in the segment, they're just using the LCR as a cover for their own agenda.

    Posted by: Caliban | Jan 9, 2013 1:49:48 PM

  9. Yeah, I totally agree with Chuck Hagel. Nobody with a "cloud of controversy" around their heads should serve in government. Bye bye, Chuckie!

    Posted by: Glenn I | Jan 9, 2013 2:25:13 PM

  10. @ SoSeriouslyY

    Republicans don't like this guy "in spite of" him hating on gays but mainly because he has a sensible take on Israel. Two separate issues.

    BTW, important quotes from the same source:
    "Steve Clemons, a well-respected and openly gay foreign policy hand in Washington who has known Hagel for years, writes that the former Republican senator “is pro-gay, pro-LGBT, pro-ending ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’” Glenn Greenwald, also a proponent of gay rights, argues that Hagel’s “primitive and ugly views on gay issues back in 1998” put him within the mainstream at the time and that his views, like the views of many other Americans, may have evolved since then."

    I myself would say that Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are indeed are not NOT good ambassadors of the GLBT community and actually said so to their faces when they accosted me last time! Say what you want but some of us happen to be Catholics (And there are lots of Catholics who are dis-assoiciated with the Vatican)! Deal with it!

    Posted by: iban4yesu | Jan 9, 2013 4:04:33 PM

  11. The solution to both these problems (sexual assault and abortion) is so easy! Just segregate straight males in military units so that they have no access to fertile females. All the rest, females, gay and straight, and the gay males can be put in together. Problems solved!

    Posted by: am i right or ..... | Jan 9, 2013 5:43:48 PM

  12. Is this really the best man the US can find for this job ? The guy is a liar and a loser. He is 100% untrustworthy. WHY is he being forced on us ?

    Posted by: Icebloo | Jan 9, 2013 6:05:11 PM

  13. @Iban4yesu - regardless of your opinion about the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence (which is, by the way, a charity organization that does much good in the communities in which it operates), the Sisters were not being nominated to be an ambassador.

    The fact that Hagel argued that someone's attendance at an event at which the Sisters performed was reason enough to deny him a position as ambassador is one of the most absurd and discriminatory reasons against a confirmation vote that I can imagine. I suspect it would be pretty difficult to staff the embassies if we decided no one could be confirmed if there seemed to have enjoyed some sort of "inappropriate" entertainment in the past. Who decides what's inappropriate? Do we include books read? Porn watched? What if the nominee engaged in "sexy dancing?" The entire line of inquiry is ridiculous.

    Finally, as for the Catholic thing - don't kid yourself. Roman Catholicism is not a religion that allows a lot of personal choice in matters of doctrine. You can SAY you are a Catholic who is "dis-assoiciated" from the Vatican but, as you might recall from your European history classes (or Canon Law), rejecting the primacy of the Vatican doesn't make you some sort of quasi-Catholic, it makes you a heretical Protestant. Further, most Protestant denomination don't even have female religious orders of nuns. So maybe you can so you can stop harassing the Sisters, okay?

    Posted by: Buster | Jan 9, 2013 7:28:49 PM

  14. there is none smarter on tv and she has a way of making the whole world of politics fun and less dry and she gives a history lessen on the top and other stories..if you have not had the chance...check her out..she is the best!!!!!!

    Posted by: tom | Jan 9, 2013 8:43:27 PM

  15. Clinton stuck by Hormel. Since he couldn't get him through the Senate, he made a recess appointment.

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  18. Why does the US eveon allow anti-gay parades????????????? This should not exist - it definitely doesn't happen in Canada

    Posted by: Canadian Inventions | Apr 10, 2013 8:46:50 PM

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