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Why is Hormone Therapy a Medical Necessity for Chelsea Manning? — VIDEO

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Lauren McNamara (aka Zinnia Jones), an activist and friend and former defense witness for Chelsea Manning explains why hormone therapy is a medical necessity for trans people and why Chelsea ought to be treated in prison:

"We sentence people to incarceration. We do not sentence them to untreated medical conditions. We don't sentence them to untreated gender dysphoria just as we don't sentence them to untreated kidney failure, untreated infections, or anything else of the sort. When the government takes on inmates and incarcerates them, it becomes responsible for their medical care. And this condition from a medical and scientific perspective is no different from any other medical condition that requires treatment. And increasingly from a legal perspective as well. Civilian courts have found in almost all cases that prisons are required to provide hormone therapy and increasingly surgery as well. Not to do so is considered cruel and unusual punishment under the Eighth Amendment."

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  1. Sorry but this is wrong with our country. If you commit a crime or are too lazy to get a job you shouldn't be getting surgeries or buying steak, cookies and ice cream off of the backs of hard working citizens. There have been too many times after paying my sky high rent in nyc I am in line buying pb&j while the person ahead of me is buying a t-bone steak with their food stamp card. God knows I can't afford the $400 a month insurance premium Manning is getting for free now. My guess is he wouldn't have been able to afford it before his jail term.

    Posted by: Michael | Aug 24, 2013 2:12:11 PM


  2. Ms manning is a criminal and certified pathetic creature.

    Posted by: Kevin thor | Aug 24, 2013 2:20:48 PM


  3. Michael 12-15 $ a month for medical treatment (hormone therapy) Is too much for a Prison to pay for necessary treatment, really, so If some-one had HIV and were in prison you would withhold their anti-viral therapy! Really?
    That costs significantly more $8-12 000 per year!

    Posted by: renovato | Aug 24, 2013 2:28:36 PM


  4. This is so ridiculous, if you want to take hormones and "become a woman" then wait till you get out of prison and then do it. This is not a life or death situation. The tax payers who are LAW ABIDING citizens shouldn't have to foot the bill for any joe shmoe who wants to turn into lisa loo especially if they're an inmate.

    Posted by: James | Aug 24, 2013 2:46:52 PM


  5. no one in the military receives hormone therapy. If honorable people aren't getting it, then Manning shouldn't. He shouldn't be given everything he wants because some people view him favorably

    Posted by: Michael | Aug 24, 2013 2:47:49 PM


  6. ffs

    Posted by: James | Aug 24, 2013 2:48:35 PM


  7. "And this condition from a medical and scientific perspective is no different from any other medical condition that requires treatment."

    I totally disagree with this statement. Gender identity issues are not life-threatening in any way. If they were, this person would have not been taken into the military in the first place. Other than suicide, I can't see why he shouldn't have to serve the sentence as a man and simply wait to be a woman when he's released. It will probably happen in 10 years anyway with good behavior. In any event, the military is not going to pay for it, so it's a non-issue.

    Posted by: johnny | Aug 24, 2013 2:52:44 PM


  8. Changing your gender is not a medical necessity. Many trans people choose to not even have any operation at all, and just merely live as the other gender. Manning should not be allowed elective surgery when she is a criminal.

    Posted by: Ryan | Aug 24, 2013 2:56:26 PM


  9. Wow, the comments here are just awful. Gender dysphoria can be life-threatening; if you had all paid attention to the video, you would have heard Lauren say that 41% of transgender people have attempted suicide in the United States.

    Posted by: DayvG | Aug 24, 2013 3:02:14 PM


  10. thankfully, more intelligent people understand exactly what Zinnia is talking about, and how right she is.

    the fact that gender-identity is indeed a massive part of who you are and the issues related to it are indeed vital to your wellbeing, is lost on those who, even in 2013, refuse to do what responsible adults are supposed to do and educate themselves on the issues related to being transgendered.

    these comments reek of the pathetic gay males who don't know transpeople, have not spoken with transpeople, and haven't the integrity to put themselves in the shoes of another.

    http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2011/03/support-for-trans-community.html

    learn something.

    in places where facts and study trump uneducated opinions, these issues are being understood. Ontario gets it.

    as for the gay men who choose to continue to refuse to learn anything about what transgendered people go through - y'all deserve every ounce of the anti-gay discrimination and prejudice you're going to continue receiving in life.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Aug 24, 2013 3:03:50 PM


  11. As long as a third party pays for it such as Chelsea's supporters then I am all for it.

    Posted by: Matt Munson | Aug 24, 2013 3:08:46 PM


  12. Wow, DAYVG. That's an incredible statement. That's right up there with the guy who kills his parents and asks the judge for leniency because he's an orphan.
    If Manning had already begun hormone treatment, then maintaining it would be necessary for her health. But she hasn't. She never felt the need to do so in all the years she was free (before she betrayed her country). Too late now. If surgery were actually a medical necessity for trans people, then they all would do it, though many choose not to.

    Posted by: Ryan | Aug 24, 2013 3:10:23 PM


  13. This is an interesting case of transgendered activists wanting to have it both ways (heh). Here, this person is making the case that transgenderism and "gender dysphoria" are MEDICAL DISORDERS requiring treatment by doctors, and are calling the withholding of such treatment a violation of medical rights. Gender dysphoria, incidentally, was formerly known as "gender identity disorder" before activists recently succeeded in pressuring the APA to change the name to 'normalize and reduce the medicalization of the condition".

    Many other trans activists however, particularly of the ultraleftist feminist variety, claim that transgenderism and "genderfluidity" are not medical conditions at all and that the medicalization of the condition only exists because we live in a "patriarchial, hegemonic cissexist, opressive-genderbinary, transphobic, (blah blah blah blah, etc.)". Well, which is it then?

    This and many other issues continue to convince me that trans activism has very little in common with the expansion of gay rights, and their (myriad) issues, both ex- and internal) are frankly not of direct concern to me as a gay man. I don't necessarily disagree with the particular rights they're pushing for, but they have virtually nothing to do with me or rights for my fellow gay men.

    Posted by: Blake | Aug 24, 2013 3:13:50 PM


  14. Mmm... Not sure I can co-sign on taxpayer tits.

    Posted by: whitneyisadude | Aug 24, 2013 3:14:54 PM


  15. Ryan apparently lives in a world where transgendered people are free to live without discrimination on a daily basis that affects work, livelihood, personal safety, and apparently it's also a world where gender-reassignment surgeries are so affordable that they can all pay for them.

    what world do you live in , Ryan? clearly it can't be the "healthcare for profit" united states of america.

    plz share.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Aug 24, 2013 3:17:32 PM


  16. anti-trans gay men are pathetic cowards.

    and in what alternate dimension, Ryan, are transgendered people able to afford the cost of gender-reassignment surgeries?

    do you live in a world where transgendered people are not discriminated against in life, in work, in society, and are all able to rake in the money needed for surgery in Healthcare For Profit America?

    trust any story about our Trans brothers and sisters to inspire pathetic comments from the most useless and cowardly males in our community.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Aug 24, 2013 3:20:56 PM


  17. As much as I believe manning should be in jail, I do believe its the responsibility of the those incarcerating manning to pay for ANY medical condition.

    Posted by: Name: | Aug 24, 2013 3:28:38 PM


  18. Well post this is good example why the Trans people shouldn't depend on the gays to deal with their movement. Its something completely different and we don't have the issues and don't really get them.

    Isnt he still a "woman" without hormones and elaborate surgeries.

    Maybe I am a bit too cynical but could the timing of the revelation be a ploy to get moved to a woman's prison. Not saying he isn't Trans but it could have come up anytime before the actual sentencing

    Posted by: Homo Genius | Aug 24, 2013 3:34:39 PM


  19. Dear Chelsea/Bradley: Just go away already. You have already done enough damage to the gay community and the country. We will be just fine without you in the news on a daily basis.

    Posted by: PeteP | Aug 24, 2013 3:36:45 PM


  20. I like how nobody actually is able to refute her logic.
    1. Transitioning, when prescribed by an attending physician/psychologist, is the only effective treatment for gender dysphoria, as recognized by the APA, the AMA, the WPATH, and other major medical organizations.
    2. Under the 8th amendment, as affirmed by the Supreme Court, the prison system is required to provide medically necessary treatment to prisoners.
    3. Just because one sector of society still has discrimination is not a reason to be a proponent of discrimination in another venue. Just because our crappy healthcare system is still biased against trans people doesn't mean we must pursue bias against trans people in prison.

    Honestly, this is completely aside from Chelsea Manning herself. Whether you support her or not, being in favor of denying medically necessary treatment to prisoners is wrong and indefensible.

    Posted by: TheDrDonna | Aug 24, 2013 4:06:17 PM


  21. Blah, blah blah, "law abiding citizens" shouldn't be paying for the medical care of people in prison, blah, blah, blah...

    Well, dickwads, if we didn't lead the world in percentage of population in prison, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we ?

    I have to laugh, we live in a country rife with political and socio-economic corruption that's so efficiently concealed and made palatable by a complacent and compliant media that most of us don't even see the sheer idiocy in our own outrage.

    Look, the prison-industrial-union complex of losers that have an interest in putting as many people in prison for as long as possible just THRIVES on this kind of stuff, so take it up with them, and stop coming off as delusional pseudo-patriotic retards, MMM KAYE ?

    Posted by: Duke | Aug 24, 2013 4:20:57 PM


  22. And Little Kiwi apparently lives in a world where no trans people openly say they have no desire for gender reassignment surgery. Maybe you should try talking to a trans person every once in a while. I know a couple that have never had any surgery, entirely by choice.

    Posted by: Ryan | Aug 24, 2013 4:22:36 PM


  23. I love how nobody is outraged that we lead the world in percentage of citizenry in our prisons, or that the entire prison-industrial-union system has an aggressive political interest to put as many people IN prison as possible, corrupting the process every step of the way, and militarizing the entire nation, and how our complacent media helps make the whole thing palatable.

    Yeah, you have to PAY for medical treatment of people in prison. Who knew ? I guess we should just put people in there and let them die. But that wouldn't make a LOT of greasy, otherwise unemployable people a living off the backs of everyone else, now would it ?

    The hypocrisy and idiocy is palpable here, as usual.

    If you don't want to pay for people's medical care in prison, STOP PUTTING SO MANY PEOPLE IN PRISON !

    Manning isn't a threat to anybody, his life is thoroughly trashed now, and it serves no purpose to keep him in prison. But hey, if you're going to keep him in prison and support the bogus charges, you should stfu about how much it costs, and just EAT ME.

    Posted by: Duke | Aug 24, 2013 4:28:10 PM


  24. While I am sympathetic to Manning's arguments, we are talking about someone's emotional state. Will Manning be happy or miserable, not will Manning live or die?

    He has lived this many years as a man, with no active medical care to change that. He should maintain his current status until his release. After that, it's her business to do as she wishes.

    Posted by: gr8guya | Aug 24, 2013 4:34:16 PM


  25. More lies from trans activists. Trans activists are amoral. They will say anything to get what they want and what they want is almost always to have someone else pay for their many mental and emotional issues.

    Sex change surgery is a necessity, but somehow Manning was able to go for years without even mentioning it. Most transsexuals never get this surgery and those who do may get it in their 30s, 40s, or 50s. Somehow all these people are able to get along without it or are able to get along for decades without it. Manning can serve "her" time and get the surgery at her own expense in 35 years.

    Posted by: TomNYC | Aug 24, 2013 4:36:53 PM


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