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Archbishop Of Finland Apologizes For 'Cruel Treatment' Of Gays

Kari Mäkinen

The Archbishop of Finland’s Evangelical Lutheran Church has apologized for the cruel treatment of gay people and other sexual minorities, reports YLE Uutiset.

Speaking at the public forum SuomiAreena, Kari Mäkinen said:

“When I think of the outside pressure and treatment that we have been guilty of displaying towards sexual minorities as a church and as a society for decades and how it still continues, I think it’s time for an apology.”

Mäkinen said he hoped his apology would encourage others to follow suit.

In June, Finland’s Parliament rejected a measure that would have legalized “gender-neutral marriage”, making it possible for same-sex couples to marry.

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  1. too little, too late.

    as history shows again and again, religion is not the place to go for morality.


    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

    Steven Weinberg, Nobel Prize Physics

    Posted by: candide | Jul 15, 2014 11:08:18 AM


  2. I don't trust these apologia from church leaders: is it really more than some PR attempt to show how churches deserve to run our lives through the stamp of government in the form of "religious exemptions" that allow/encourage them to commit indiscriminate harms on women and lgbts.

    No thanks.

    Posted by: Just_a_guy | Jul 15, 2014 11:13:40 AM


  3. Perhaps you liberals can finally move away your anti-religion stance and embrace the higher power.

    Posted by: Rick | Jul 15, 2014 11:23:30 AM


  4. The Finnish parliament actually didn't reject the marriage bill. The legal affairs committee did. However, because this was brought on by a citizens initiative, it will still be voted on by the full parliament this fall.

    Posted by: Stefan | Jul 15, 2014 11:24:49 AM


  5. lol. there's no credible evidence whatsoever for anything supernatural, much less for the psychopathic totalitarian god of the bible.


    "faith is believing what you know ain't so." mark twain

    Posted by: candide | Jul 15, 2014 11:35:22 AM


  6. Wait, Rick is a Jesus freak?

    I knew he was vegetarian, but Jesus loving too? What a damn sissy.

    Posted by: crispy | Jul 15, 2014 11:43:12 AM


  7. @Candide, I disagree in this case.
    There is debate (fight) in the Lutherian Church in Finland between liberals and conservatives. Mäkinen is liberal and I am happy he said what he said.

    Posted by: Matt27 | Jul 15, 2014 11:43:47 AM


  8. Crispy, don't be jealous of my moral convictions.

    Posted by: Rick | Jul 15, 2014 11:51:02 AM


  9. A sure sign of the end of religion, if they're apologizing.

    Posted by: james street james | Jul 15, 2014 12:04:06 PM


  10. CRISPY. "The higher power" does not necessarily have anything to do with Jesus or any worldly religion as such.

    CANDIDE - thanks for that Weinberg quote, sums it up nicely.

    Posted by: UFFDA | Jul 15, 2014 12:04:38 PM


  11. so which close relative of his just came out as gay?

    Posted by: Dan Mc. | Jul 15, 2014 12:07:02 PM


  12. UFFDA, it stands to reason that comments in a post about Lutherans would pertain to Christianity. Try to keep up.

    Posted by: crispy | Jul 15, 2014 12:15:09 PM


  13. Mäkinen is a good man and a friend of mine. I am grateful what he has said and I support him!!!

    Posted by: Mark | Jul 15, 2014 12:57:59 PM


  14. Beat u to it, Francis...

    Posted by: r | Jul 15, 2014 2:07:17 PM


  15. "When I think of the outside pressure and treatment that we have been guilty of displaying towards sexual minorities as a church and as a society for decades and how it still continues, I think it’s time for an apology.”

    It could be time for a change in attitude but an apology is a good start.

    Posted by: Hey Darlin' | Jul 15, 2014 3:01:59 PM


  16. When will religions stop apologizing, and start disbanding?

    It's a failed concept.

    Posted by: Randy | Jul 15, 2014 3:47:54 PM


  17. From Christopher Hitchins, on topic of Jesus:
    “I think it’s Thomas Paine who asks, ‘which is more likely, that the laws of nature are suspended, or that a Jewish girl should tell a fib?’

    Posted by: simon | Jul 15, 2014 8:25:24 PM


  18. Sweden practiced eugenics up through the 1970's based on Fascist principles, not religious ones, so not all moral failings are religious. The main problem with religions is that they don't evolve fast enough to keep up with the facts. If it takes 300 years to acknowledge that Galileo was on the right track, you're doing it wrong. It's really, the "moral authority" aspect of religion that makes them so conservative. "moral humility" would be a better option.

    Posted by: anon | Jul 15, 2014 9:27:09 PM


  19. A liberal should be proud to be a called a liberal because they are in the company of great thinkers like Weinberg, Paine. All the other side has are people like Rick, Perry ,Palin, Carson who happens to have a skin color Rick doesn't approve.

    Posted by: simon | Jul 16, 2014 8:29:08 AM


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