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  1. Dave says

    I have to admit that I have mixed feelings about protesting outside his wedding, however much of a beard his soon-to-be-wife may be.

    We certainly rail against people who protest our marriages. And we rail against the Phelps clans funeral protests.

    Yet he is not just anyone expressing his First Amendment rights. He is the leader of the state, expressing his disdain for a significant portion of Florida – and as a result, possibly further marginalizing the GLBT population – and he ought to be held accountable for that.

    Like I said, mixed feelings.

  2. says

    “We certainly rail against people who protest our marriages.”

    I understand your mixed feelings, Dave, but the difference is we DON’T HAVE marriages to protest. (Except in MA and CT, but at the federal level they still mean squat.) So he may be inconvenienced, but he can still marry (however inappropriately), whereas a gay couple in Florida who’s been together a lot longer than Charlie and his beard heiress receive no recognition whatsoever. Momentary inconvenience vs. long-standing discrimination. Hmmm, who’s got the raw end of the deal?

    And, I agree, that invitation is damn ugly. Maybe he really is straight?

  3. Zeke says

    Protesting at Crist’s wedding is the most ill-conceived, stupidest, most conterproductive act I can possibly imagine.

    It amazes me that so many people put so little real thought into the negative repercussions of their words and actions.

    Use the opportunity to give a press release congratulating the Governor on his marriage and making a thoughtful point about why the joy, happiness and legal protection that this day will afford him and his wife should be available to all Florida citizens.

    If we are to make any progress on this issue, we need EVERYONE who favors marriage equality to be more thoughtful and strategic with their protests.

  4. Brandon says

    Zeke: I have to say I am inclined to agree with you. I don’t know what format the protest will take. I am hoping it will be respectful. I guess I don’t understand why he just cannot be allowed to enjoy his day– closeted or not. How do folks feel when Fred Phelps protests a funeral? Phelps has the right to do that too, but it is still distasteful.

    What about her family and his family? How about their feelings?Now, their wedding day gets “ruined” by protests? And if I were Crist and my wedding was protested, I don’t think that would make me more sympathetic to gay people. It would probably just piss me off and make me more opposed to equality.

    The protest may make the protesters feel good, but I cannot imagine that many people will look upon it favorably. How many women spend their whole lives looking forward to their wedding day? Can you imagine the horror of having protests at your wedding?

    I respect the protesters and what they are trying to do. I just don’t think that this is best way to do it.

  5. says

    It’s certainly debatable whether a protest is a good idea or not, but think about what you’re saying, Brandon.

    “What about her family and his family? How about their feelings?Now, their wedding day gets “ruined” by protests? . . . How many women spend their whole lives looking forward to their wedding day? Can you imagine the horror of having protests at your wedding?”

    First of all, I doubt their wedding will be ruined by a few protesters. Second of all, we can’t imagine the “horror” because we can’t get married! They can. That’s the point! To show heterosexuals that what they take for granted is completely off limits to us. So, instead of being so concerned about their feelings, what about the feelings of the gay couple who’s been together 20 years and is turned away when they go to get their marriage license? What about the gay person who has no inheritance rights, no power of attorney etc. That’s the real horror and ruin here.

    Finally, as I said on another thread, Phelps goes after innocent people who have done him zero harm. We are protesting people who have caused us direct harm. There is NO analogy to be drawn between the two.

  6. Zeke says

    DAVID E, I voluteered FULL TIME for five months for the No on 2 campaign. In the last month I worked 12 to 14 hours a day 7 days a week fighting this discriminatory amendment. I’ve been to EVERY protest and planning session since our November 4th loss. I am a man, married to a man raising a child with my husband. This amendment affected me and my family in a VERY personal way. Up until I dedicated full time to the No on 2 campaign I was volunteering weekly for the Obama campaign. I’m a liberal Democrat and card carrying member of the ACLU.

    How on earth could you make such an uninformed, rude, offensive and hateful comment to me based on my voiced concern that this protest is ill conceived and will be counterproductive?

    I fully support most every aspect of the peaceful protests that have occurred across the country. I participated in a couple of them. Forgive me if I think “crashing” the governor’s wedding is not going to be helpful or productive or if I had the audacity to offer what I thought would be a better, more effective option.

  7. says

    Hey Zeke! Any room in your “closet” for me? I think protesting this schmoes wedding is no better than that Phelps nut job at military funerals or gay pride celebrations.

    This is just playing into the right wings hands. Let them have their day. They have to live with it if it’s fake. It will play out as it plays out. If we do this then we can’t be upset when “christians” stand outside of churches and protest our marriages in places where we can get married.

    Does no one understand PR?

  8. says

    Well, I certainly wouldn’t go to it, but if the beard manufacturer wants to marry him what the hell?

    I’ll tell you this, though, if there are protesters at his wedding, betcha about 70% of them are protesting him not being as available for sex as he has been in the past.

    I betcha the bus station tricks alone make up half that crowd. Might be an interesting protest. Might be the wedding of the year!

    Thank you, I’m here all week.

    Well, not here, click my name under here, I’m there all week.

  9. says

    I’m in San Diego and won’t be traveling to Florida to attend this soiree. My outside opinion is that the word protest has many meanings. We can be very creative whenever we put our minds to it, and wedding protests need to be created. Weddings like this one of course, and those where one of the partners is committing “adultery” according to the KJV bible, which limits divorce to 1-2 reasons and says you can’t get re-married.

    Anyway, using their own nonsense against them, and using unusual and creative forms of protest, we really should be doing this. Only takes one person to show up. The more the merrier!

  10. says

    “This is just playing into the right wings hands. Let them have their day. They have to live with it if it’s fake. It will play out as it plays out. If we do this then we can’t be upset when “christians” stand outside of churches and protest our marriages in places where we can get married.”

    Derek, people aren’t protesting Crist’s wedding because he may be gay, they’re protesting because he supported Amendment 2 and because he, as a real or fake heterosexual, can get married and we can’t. How is pointing out this blatant discrimination through peaceful protest in any way similar to what Phelps is doing?

    Phelps protests people who have caused him no harm; Crist and all supporters of anti-gay props cause us real harm. Why can’t you understand the difference? If, once we have marriage rights, Christians want to protest our weddings, that’s their right. But, since they already have the right to marry and are not being deprived of any civil rights by gay people, what is their motive for protesting aside from pure bigotry? They are not remotely equivalent.

    Like I said, the wisdom of protesting Crist’s wedding is debatable. But those who choose to participate are there for legitimate reasons and are in no way comparable to right wingnuts.

  11. says

    First, don’t confuse me with the ZEKE who posts here often, I’m not him. I’m R. Zeke Fread the Director of Pride Tampa Bay, Proud member of Impact-Florida, as well a many other GLBT organizations. I’ve taken some heat from ZEKE’s opinionated, ill-informed, insulting and misspelled posts from people who know me. And wanted to clear this up once and for all.

    It’s extremely disappointing to read posts, such as ZEKE’s, condemning Impact-Florida’s demonstration and candlelight vigil as, “the most ill-conceived, stupidest, most conterproductive (misspelled) act I can possibly imagine.” It’s offensive to see those who are always quick to criticize the actions of members of our community, with-out full knowledge what’s actually being planned. Being an armchair quarter backs is easier than being personally involved or offering constructive feedback or suggestions, I guess.

    I was pleased to assist in organizing and attended the demo/vigil. Our goal was to remain silent, peaceful and respectful, as we did. We were in no way disruptive to the Governor, Carole or their Guests. In fact the Governor himself, acknowledged us by waving to us. The voices heard in the background during new broadcasts, were not ours, but, those of another group of protestors and homophobe Larry Keller, who choose to use megaphones to express themselves. Our signs were of ones of congratulations and to ask when can we marry, not one of our signs had any hateful or disrespectful comments. During the demo/vigil, we broke our silence on only three occasions, first to sing “We’re All Gods Children to drown our Keller’s incisive homophobic hate-filled ranting, to cheer the Governor and Carol Crist when the exited the church for a photo-op and greet the couple upon arriving the reception. Other than that, we remained silent, peaceful, respectful and not disruptive. I can think of a better manner to embrace ones right of freedom of speech and get your message across the we did, period.

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