News: Provincetown, John Mayer, Jamaica, Willem Dafoe, Zurich

 roadOfficial boycott launched against Jamaica for persecution of gays.

 road128 prisoners, many of whom were jailed for the "crime" of homosexuality, are set to be executed in Iraq in the near future: "According
to Ali Hili of IRAQI-LGBT, the Iraqi authorities plan to start
executing them in batches of 20 from this week. IRAQI-LGBT urgently
requests that the
UK Government, Human Rights Groups and the United Nations Human Rights
Commission intervene with due speed to prevent this tragic miscarriage
of justice from going ahead."

Johnmayer
 roadJohn Mayer turns fan cruise into Love Boat.

 roadRecession-era spending: Elton John celebrates 62 at Hamburger Hamlet.

 roadRussia's Gay Pride organizers plan activist tie-in to Eurovision Song Contest awards: We believe this is the best way for those who support democratic values
in Europe and who take part in the show to bring support to human
rights campaigners in Russia."

 roadZac Efron attacked by Q-tips.

 roadMore on the growing threat to gays in Uganda: "We’ve gotten word from three separate Ugandan sources that local gays
and lesbians in Uganda are worried about imminent violence, with many
making plans to go into hiding or leave the country."

 roadJon Stewart talks marriage at University of Vermont: “I can understand being against gay marriage — if they decided to make
it mandatory. This isn’t a cultural divide: They’re wrong.”

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  roadProtestors shadow Vermont Governor Jim Douglas in wake of same-sex marriage veto remarks: "Roughly 200 protesters greeted the governor and his wife when they showed up at Green Mountain College for a maple sugaring event Saturday. The crowd watched quietly, sang or chanted while Douglas used a hand-cranked drill to tap a tree in an arboretum decorated with rainbow ribbons."

 roadMadonna determined to adopt again in Malawi

Zurich
 roadZurich, Switzerland has a new lesbian mayor:
"Zurich, Switzerland, has elected its first female and first openly
lesbian mayor, Corine Mauch. A member of the centre-left Social
Democrats, Mauch has been elected with a lead of 11,000 votes over her
opposition following the surprise resignation of previous incumbent
Elmar Ledergerber late last year."

 roadNew York Post says it has seen a video of Vice President Joe Biden's daughter doing cocaine: "The video, which the shooter initially hoped to sell for $2 million
before scaling back his price to $400,000, shows a 20-something woman
with light skin and long brown hair taking a red straw from her mouth,
bending over a desk, inserting the straw into her nostril and snorting
lines of white powder."

 roadMarc Jacobs and Lorenzo Martone show their love in Ipanema.

Whalemania
 roadRight Whale mania grips ProvincetownVideo

 roadL.A. Times on Barney Frank accusations: Does Antonin Scalia hate gays?

 roadGay rights groups want the Royal Family to give the okay for a hypothetical same-sex couple in the Monarchy to be able to engage in a civil partnership: "[Ben Summerskill, chief executive of gay rights group Stonewall] said: ‘I have little doubt that in 21st and 22nd
Century Britain the public will judge the quality of their monarch by
much more than their sexual orientation.’ He said the subject could be debated openly now because, as far as he was aware, there are no gays in the Royal Family."

 roadWillem Dafoe gets "cheeky" for new Lars von Trier film.


Hartnett roadJosh Hartnett rushed to hospital for abdominal pain.

 roadCampaign against homophobic bullying to be launched in Wales: "The new bilingual version of 'The School Report' will be distributed to all secondary schools in Wales. It
found 65% of pupils had experienced bullying because of their
sexuality. The launch takes place at the Stonewall Cymru annual event
in Llandudno. The education minister Jane Hutt said the assembly government was working to develop guidance on anti-gay bullying. 'The
Welsh Assembly Government fully supports the launch of 'The School
Report' which highlights the vital role schools can play in preventing
and responding to homophobic bullying, both within their boundaries but
also in the wider community'"


 roadObamas to pay for White House renovations out of their own pockets: "They 'are not using public funds or accepting donations of goods for
redecorating their private quarters,' says Camille Johnston, director
of communications for the First Lady. Nor is the couple, who reported
$4.2 million in household income in 2007 tax returns, using money from
the White House Historical Association, a privately funded foundation
that paid for a $74,000 set of china shortly before Laura Bush left
town."

Comments

  1. Leto says

    The execution of humans because they are homosexuals is not acceptable. This is more important than Marriage Rights or anything else. This is what we should be protesting. Our government could stop this. The next right-wing idiot who says gays aren’t being persecuted needs to be beat over the head with this. When US troops liberated the German death camps, the jews and gypsies were freed, but the ones with pink triangles were sent to German prisons to serve out their terms. Remember that right-wing Christians might want to take your rights, but right-wing Muslims want to take your LIFE!

  2. kyle michel sullivan says

    I find it depraved that this site actually linked to another site that is whining about Zach Efron having wax in his ears while at the same time and in the same grouping it linked to a site dealing with life or death matters about gay men and women in Iraq. Some sense of propriety you’ve got.

  3. Zack says

    I agree with Kyle. It’s incredibly disappointing that the Iraqi executions would be given such small attention on this blog.

    The state department as a contact page available here for those interested in speaking out: http://contact-us.state.gov/cgi-bin/state.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?p_sid=X_87Q5uj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD0xMTEsMTExJnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**

  4. jimmyboy says

    If memory serves me right, we did send in a bunch of pat robertson U grads and Jerry Falwell Liberty u grads to staff the gov in Iraq as well as a ton of xtian missionary BS.

    Not like Sadam would have been kinder, but the whole “crusade” sure didn’t improve anything there.

    SAD!

    ———————-

    best wishes and hoepfully speedy fleeing for Uganda gays.

    Sad

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    the supposed lawyer with the the supposed cocain tape per Huffpo has now retracted the allegations = Not Biden’s daughter

  5. anon says

    Nice gesture, but I’m not sure that the White House can accept legally private donations for restoration as its budget falls under the national park service.

  6. nic says

    i confess. when i scanned the headlines here, i misread ‘iraqi’ as ‘irani’, and i thought, well, it’s iran! what can we do?

    but goddamit! this is iraq! is this what billions upon billions (and much sooner than later, trillions) of US $$ will have gone toward, while problems within our own borders have gone wanting? aside from israel, this is the only mid-east country that we have some control over. of course, we suffer israel like the favored, spoiled child who throws tantrums while we look the other way. the US should not, however, accept the obscenity that may soon happen in iraq.

    obama and hillary need to hear that message.

  7. paul c says

    What credibility does the US have on the issue of gay rights in Iraq when we don’t have them here?

    Even without the moral high ground, there’s no doubt that our government could force the Iraqis to stop these killings. At least for the time being.

    Unfortunately once we’re out of there the Iranians will be running the show. It’s been inevitable since the day Hussein was wrongly deposed, so let’s wrap it up and get the fuck out of there already.

  8. paul c says

    @Kyle and Zack –

    If you aren’t satisfied with the amount of attention given to a subject on this or any other blog, you have the capability to go out and get the message out there yourself.

    Start your own blog or post about it all over the internet. Don’t put the burden on someone else who is already doing something other than bitching.

  9. TANK says

    Yes, we “suffer” israel. ha ha ha ha, the obscenity is that that is even brought up in the same breath as the cancer that these theocracies represent.

  10. Bill Perdue says

    This is nothing new. The US has been arming and training [Sunni police and Shiite militia to pit them against each other. These thugs, in addition to targeting each others communities for ethnic cleansing both found time to hunt down, humiliate, torture and murder GLBT folks. One young man, 14 years old, was hacked to pieces for being effeminate. (Not all that different from the murder of King a little over a year ago.)

    When Obama took office he inherited the mantle of war criminal from Bush who got it from Clinton, the ever so heroic mass murderer of half a million Iraqi children. Watch the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf83udJfbMs ONLY if you have a strong stomach – it’s horrific.

    That’s why it’s unlikely that Obama will do anything meaningful to end this problem. The terrible inter communal strife in Iraq is just what the US government and military want because it divides Iraq while Texaco/Chevron and others establish hegemony over it’s petrochemical industries.

    What Obama should do is order an immediate airlift to safety and asylum for everyone threatened with persecution, jail, torture and death and he should do the same for threatened GLBT folk in Jamaica, Uganda, Afghanistan, Poland and Nigeria. But he won’t, not in a millions years. Nor will he take even basic steps like ordering order Hillary Clinton to broadcast that US embassies and consulates everywhere in the world have an open arms policy towards granting asylum and protection for GLBT folks in danger of violence.

    These easy humanitarian steps will never be taken. The US wants instability in the region. That’s why there are over a million dead in Iraq. That’s why the US finances zionist ethnic cleansing in Palestine and why the murder of civilians is increasing in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The dreadful truth is that dead GLBT folks are just ‘collateral damage’ to Obama and the Pentagon.

    Our bothers and sisters in South Asia and Europe will no doubt launch a campaign to save them and we should support it to our utmost.

  11. Chitown Kev says

    I’ve commented on another blog about Iraq and Jamaica, so I won’t go into here but:

    Isn’t Prince Edward supposed to be the closet queen who married the Princess Di look-alike?

  12. jimmyboyo says

    hmmmmmmmmmm

    I wouldn’t utilize the word “suffer” vis a vis Israel.

    Israel is not perfect, that is true, what country is?

    But “suffer”?!

    The right wingers have too much political power at the moment (with the oldsters dieing off the more left leaning youngsters will come into power though many of the young best and brightest leave Israel for europe or America = brain drain issues in Israel)

    hmmmmmmmm

    In no way would I equate the complicated issues of/with Israel with the issues surrounding Iran, Iranian controlled Iraq, Saudi arabia, etc. I think the Saudis are far more dangerous in the long term than the iranians but that would take up more space and time than this format would allow to discuss.

    Israel was a bulwark in the cold war. We got to place a ton of nukes really close to the source of our black crack. Oil wells = oil is america’s crack/ heroine/ drug of choice. It sucks but if not for Israel and having our nukes in the area, the oil wells probably would have been gobbled up by russia and or china by now.

    Does Israel still need the sums we give in aid and loans? Probably not since its economy is closer to self sufficient compared to when they needed help and we needed a spot to place a ton of nukes to protect our drug of choice = black gold/ oil. I would totally overhaul / redo our aid for EVERY country we toss money at.

    Should Israel have gone into Gaza with top notch assassination teams with the goal of only taking out Hamas leadership while utilizing the carrot with the general populace with food and medical supplies??

    Yeah, but I don’t rule the world so how I would personally handle a situation as compared to how the “RIGHT- leaning” (remember that because right leaning govs generally like the quick heavy handed vs longer and more complicated solutions) is moot.

    Thankfully the theocrats do not rule in Israel. Though many of them do publicly state that the secularists need to step aside since the rebirth of Israel and let the theocrats rule. Thankfully even the most right leaning secularist isn’t that crazy as to let theocrats rule Israel.

    Issues? Yeah and very complicated ones at that but the word “suffer”?!

    Anyway; a prime example of the difference

    Iran, Iraq, Saudi arabian govts wanting to execute and do execute gays where as in Irseal there are no executions of gays.

    Yeah the orthodox cause shit trouble with throwing stones, a stabbing here and there, even a beating of a gay Israeli but the better comparison is between them and our own brand of religious homophobe crazy people in the USA and their violent homophobe actions. No comparison what so ever between homophobia in Israel and what the arab countries do. Though there is a huge comparison between homophobia in Israel and Homophobia in America.

  13. nic says

    Mayer announced that he would be wearing constrictive female apparel (girl shorts, it seems) as a response to the Borat thong of the past trip. i like John; he is very gay friendly. and yes, ROB, the D-LISTED assault was disgusting. what makes it possible for a little bug like Michael K, to tear down productive people with the crazed rationalization that he is making valid, yet hateful, humorous (so he thinks) observations? his pathetic pirahnas feed off whatever dessicated bones he feeds them. soon, he will have to defend himself in an adult venue. what may happen to her when his schtick is all played out? i am am sick of it. he is much worse than pee hilton.

  14. nic says

    going back to the term “suffer”. we either suffer (tolerate) fools glady or no. do you, TANK, debate the point that we let israel rightists roll around the floor of palestinian lands, cushioned by american money by fits and starts, while we hold the palastinians accountable for every misdeed, like a red-headed child @k-mart? we slap the arab semites upside the head, while we let the euro-jews, the askanazi jews, have free reign over sovereign territories. where is the justice?

    i am not an arab loyalist, i am a mexican. so forgive me if i empathize with people who have been displaced. after WW2, the imperialistic whites decided to apportion a huge parcel of land for jews, never mind, that the parcel of land had been worked for hundreds of years by the real indigenous people, arab semites. but the imperialists accepted the myth of the diaspora, and their you have it.

    JIMMYBOYO,

    i thought you were through with myths and falsehoods. wtf?

  15. TANK says

    “going back to the term “suffer”. we either suffer (tolerate) fools glady or no.”

    And israelis are fools? Last time I checked the two state solution was killed because of the palestinian leadership. At least Israeli is at the negotiating table.

    “do you, TANK, debate the point that we let israel rightists roll around the floor of palestinian lands, cushioned by american money by fits and starts, while we hold the palastinians accountable for every misdeed, like a red-headed child @k-mart?”

    This is militant anti israeli posturing. As to the point [I’m making] that israel has made life difficult for palestinians, of course they have, but by far most of the time, it has been in response to palestinian terrorism. People living under the constant threat of domestic terrorism tend to react differently than our removed vantage point, and perhaps it would improve your understanding of the incentive for overreacting to understand the nature of islamic terrorism and current theories on how to disrupt it. And besides, the palestinian leadership has made it abundantly clear that if given the chance, they would not make suitable allies in the region for a western nation like the united states. Male homosexuality is illegal in Palestine, for example. I do think that the aggressive actions that the israeli army has taken in restricting travel for palestinians has made their lives very difficult and in some cases is undeniably wrong, but I will not sympathize with a people that have more in common with Iran than the countries which respect a secular authority of law, and which do not discriminate against gay men to the extent that their very existence is illegal based upon the teachings of a war cult.

    “we slap the arab semites upside the head, while we let the euro-jews, the askanazi jews, have free reign over sovereign territories.”

    When they commit acts of terrorism in Israel, what is an acceptable response?

    “where is the justice?”

    Indeed, where is it? Hamas?

    “i am not an arab loyalist, i am a mexican. so forgive me if i empathize with people who have been displaced.”

    So are you of the mind that Israelis have no claim to their homeland? I am of the same mind with respect to anyone that region given its history of passing from one empire’s hands to another with no fixed government. It would improve your understanding to realize that palestinians were basically a part of the ottoman empire, for example.

    “after WW2, the imperialistic whites decided to apportion a huge parcel of land for jews, never mind, that the parcel of land had been worked for hundreds of years by the real indigenous people, arab semites.”

    And jews. You forget that immigration started in the nineteenth century, and that jews had lived there for a long time. The arabs, as they always seem to, were intolerant of jews living in the region before the “imperialist west” partitioned the land officially, and were killing them for what they believed was an incursion on islamic territory (not palestinian) by jewish people, who they universally despise because they’re jews.

    “but the imperialists accepted the myth of the diaspora, and their you have it.”

    As I said, this is militant anti israeli sentiment coming from poorly reasoned arguments propounded by people who don’t care about the reality of the situation, but more with their own intolerant agenda. They will always lose, however, because israel is going nowhere, and it’s not an irrational state like most of its muslim neighbors. This is hopeful.

  16. TANK says

    And the radical jewish orthodoxy in israel is laughed at by the majority of israelis. They have no real power. I can’t say the same for radical islam in many of its neighbors.

  17. TANK says

    Interesting that your empathy for displaced people doesn’t extend to Jews (including those founding families of the Israeli state), who have been persecuted and displaced for thousands of years. If ever an historical precedent for “displaced people” existed, it’s the jews…c’mon, the term could reasonably be argued to come into meaning because of their treatment and displacement.

  18. nic says

    well yeah, TANK. of course, i would be much more sympathetic, were i to buy into the scattered-tribes-of israel b.s. propagated in the old testament and set free on the world like a pandora’s box of toxic fumes of guilt.

    i am not a holocaust denier. i have nothing against jews in the near present tense. they have suffered more in the past century than perhaps any ethnic group. but, the native-americans were all but annihilated, the blacks were ripped from their continent, and the mexicans had the rug swept out from under them in the last and previous centuries, too. that does not excuse a waning imperial europe, aided and abetted, by the usa of the mistake of summarily plunking down a new “state” in the midst of existing populations.

    look at the face of the euro-jews in israel and compare that to the face of the palestinians. which doesn’t belong there? to extend that idea, why not rip everything from california to texas and give it back to mexico? in fact, why not take the europeans out of the americas and return the whole of the continent to the peoples who have lived here for thousands of years. we arm the israelis to the teeth and they attack surrounding states with impunity. might makes right?

    the establishment of a jewish state in that region was a huge mistake. little wonder that the middle east will continue to be an agitated hornet’s nest. little wonder that they hate us so much that they would even consider crashing planes into buildings.

    btw, i do read a history book, now and again, but never an ‘istory book. and i’ll be damned if i ever start taking seriously a person who argues on behalf of an ‘istoric precedent. the “h” is not silent, dammit! when you go out of town, do you stay at an ‘otel?

  19. Jimmyboyo says

    hmmmmmm

    you know, over at DKOS they generally deal with I/P threads by posting kitty cat pics and or post recipes.

    I/P threads generally lead to fights between people who on many other issues are very similar.

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Nic

    Yeah, there is a lot of religious myth tied up in the nation building of modern Israel.

    But

    The secularists built Israel, not the religious. One could argue the secularists did the work while the religious sat back. The religious moved in after the fact and like leaches they suck off of the hard work of secularist Jews (religious do this everywhere/ always whether Jew, muslim, xtian)

    You must remember, at the time the Jewish people were realling from the devestation of the Holocaust (my own Jewish branch of the family tree had fled germany WW1 pre holocaust and bred with gentiles making non jew though with jewish genes in the family tree = me) the need for safe ground was huge and regrettably the 1 place that was the safest place for Jews ever in history = america was turning back Jews at the broders. If America had instead opened its borders then modern Israel might never had been born because there wouldn’t have been a need for it.

    Yeah, putting democracy in an area that is more used to foreign empires rulling from afar wasn’t brilliant = Egypt ruled it once, Babylon, alexander the great’s short lived empire ruled it, with the split Egypt again under Greek Ptolemy dynasty, the Romans = who ended up sacking Jerusalem and scattering the Jews from out of judea to all corners of the Roman world = diaspora = mostly because rome wanted to solidify its control over the trade routes that went through the area linking europe with africa and the west with asia minor and even asia itself (silk and spices) , pythians, crusading crazy xtian europe, the ottomans, colonial britan

    Hell, foreign empires have controlled the area from afar longer than Jews and palestinians combined have ever controlled the area. democracy in such an area? Not brilliant, but oh well it was done and can’t be undone

    One could make a strong argument that America is more in line with the zionist ideal of a safe haven for Jews where Jews can not only find refuge but also prosper. Many Jews today leave Israel for America due to feeling safer in America than they ever do in Israel and due to more opportunities to improve one’s lot.

    BUT

    What is done is done. Israel is there and it can’t be undone nor should it be even if it could.

    Though I personally don’t believe in any borders / separate nations anywhere on earth.

    I personally would prefer no separate nation states what so ever.

    1 world, 1 people, 1 government

    But reality is that Israel is there and the situation is very complicated.

    Most likely this whole thing is mute since Palestinians breed much more quickly than Israelis. The reasons are many. The biggest being education level and religious. The more educated a populace the less they reproduce children. religion in that the majority in Israel are thankfully secular where as palestinians are religious and islam like orthedox Judaism and fundie xtianity does not support birth control. Orthedox Jews are such a small (too vocal) group that even with not using birth control they can never match their religious counterparts amongst arabs in popping out huge numbers of babies

    Israel is also suffering from a vast brain drain and youth drain in Israel. Up to the early 90’s Israel saw more people emigrating to israel than leaving. The reverse has occured with more leaving Israel than emigrate. 1- tired of the violence in the region 2- more economic and education opportunities in Europe and america

    This will eventually all add up to Israel drowning under a flood of arab peoples who are less educated and far too religious let alone a different religion.

    I think it is inevitable that a few more decades from now that Israel will give up with the majority leaving for america and the area being controlled by some foreign non Jewish gov as it has more times in history than not.

    I would prefer that before such occurred that the world would unite in 1 world gov with no separate nation states anywhere, but it is more likely rainbows and unicorns will shoot out of my ass first.

    I would prefer a more left leaning gov in Israel because lefties tend to try to find workable solutions to complicated problems
    as vs righties who like to just shoot shit up. Almost got it with the last election but netenyahooooooooooooooooooo nutty bug will be in charge though thankfully he is going to be ham strung by having to make a ton of compromises with the mods and lefties to form a coalition gov.

    Anyway; Israel is there, the issues are very complicated with guilty and innocent on all sides, and I/P subjects generally turn reasonable people who agree on many things into people yelling at each other.

  20. nic says

    JIMMYBOYO,

    this is why i love you. you have a different slant on things. you don’t need to be pedantic and verbose. you are not telling me anything i don’t know.

    still, aren’t you begging the question? in logical fallacy, that means that unless all parties agree to a premise, nothing can ever be agreed. you want to hang on to the old testament idea of the forced diaspora? fine. but i will have none of it. i accept that isreal is there like a pus-filled sore ready to be lanced, but i don’t have to like it.

    the old testament is to reason as rush limbaugh is to introspection.

  21. Jimmyboyo says

    Nic

    On the ot diaspora = no. On roman records of what the romans openly admit to doing in the area= yes.

    The romans openly admited to sacking jerusalem , killing enslaving and scattering many jews in the area so the romans could solidify an iron grip on the trade routes that went through the area.

    Trade routes that were the life’s blood of the empire especially with the empire’s graineries filled with the surplus of annually refreshed with rich black silt along the nile delta grain fields in egypt. Egypt was the bread basket of the empire

    The bread of the empire was ever in danger of nubians and kushites moving up into egypt from the south while the trade routes through Judea were ever in danger of Pythia in the west taking them and thus starving the empire.

    The roman final solution was the wrong way of solidifying their control over being able to get to and staff egypt barracks quickly while also preventing pythia from stopping grain shipments over land (by sea was dangerous and the amounts were always smaller than what could be transported over land)but it is what they did and openly admitted to. It happened. no need to read ot stuff about it. Roman records are quite detailed about why, when, and how the diaspora came about

    “a pus-filled sore ready to be lanced”

    No no no

    I would say ALL borders and separate nation states are pus filled sores on the earth and seperate a united humanity. no single nation state is such. All are. but my wishes for a united gov, humanity, earth are day dreams of a poet and like I said it is more likely unicorns and rainbows will fly out of my ass first.

    At the time there was a need for a Jewish home land because america f’d up in closing off its borders to refugee Jews from europe.

    as a pragmatist I said and say that i don’t think Israel will survive in the long run because logically the numbers are against her. the numbers at how quickly less educated and more religious arabs are outbreeding jews in the area.

    heck the Israeli arabs and Israeli xtians are outbreeding the Jews of Israel.

    Logically i think decades from now the majority of Jews in Israel will flee the area to america which has generally been the safestt homeland throughout history for Jews and no amount of millitary might will prevent it. History is full of militarily superior nations disappearing under the weight of so-called barbarian breeding numbers.

    Israel at the time was needed and it was a good idea with many improvements of socialism coming directly from the kibbutz movment. The kibbutz movment which allowed many experiments to refine socialism.

    But in the end the breeding numbers of non Jews in the area are just against Israel no matter how many weapons she might have or get, and america’s intrest in the area will wane as we move away from oil and only religous xtians caring because they want armegedon and jesus returning thus they need Jews in Israel for their armegedon death wish.

    The land flowing with milk and honey for Jews would appear to me to be america where jews have found the greatest safety and best economic, educational, and social opportunities then they ever had anywhere. Heck that pretty much goes for all groups of people in america.

    Anyway; I/P issues are very complex and not easily solved.

    In no way would I compare Israel, though right leaning, to arab nations in the region.

    whatever

    Away with religions, away with borders, away with all separate nation states. If we ever want to move off into space with colonies then we need to get our shit together and unite here on earth. I dread the idea of seperate nation colonies in the future warring against each other on the face of mars etc due to foolish seperatness down here on earth.

  22. TANK says

    “well yeah, TANK. of course, i would be much more sympathetic, were i to buy into the scattered-tribes-of israel b.s. propagated in the old testament and set free on the world like a pandora’s box of toxic fumes of guilt.”

    So are you denying that Jews inhabited the region first? (I don’t use that as a justification for displacement, just that displacement is simply not that cut and dry). This your contention? If so, proof…for this historical…hocus pocus.

    “i am not a holocaust denier.”

    Well, that’s good…where the fuck did that come from? If you were, we’d never speak again, and I’d hope you would die miserably from cancer.

    “i have nothing against jews in the near present tense. they have suffered more in the past century than perhaps any ethnic group. but, the native-americans were all but annihilated, the blacks were ripped from their continent, and the mexicans had the rug swept out from under them in the
    last and previous centuries, too.”

    Right, and now I suppose we’ll play the who’s a bigger historically oppressed minority game that those who propound these arguments enjoy doing. A crude game that they think they can win…and that will somehow make their points have more legitimacy. Well, get out the tape measure, because Jews have literally been oppressed for THOUSANDS (not just a century or three) but THOUSANDS of years. The holocaust wasn’t the first genocide…

    “that does not excuse a waning imperial europe, aided and abetted, by the usa of the mistake of summarily plunking down a new “state” in the midst of existing populations.”

    No, you’re right, it doesn’t. What does is the energy monopoly in the region, and the fact that the people who run it–or the people who would run it otherwise– are very unstable, often religious lunatics.

    Further, if you recall, what does settle the dispute is world war I and II. This started during world war I, and it wasn’t a mere imperialist incursion into the region, but the failure of the ottoman empire; unless you suggest that they sould have won… I know a few armenians who’d spit on you for that. Ha ha

    “look at the face of the euro-jews in israel and compare that to the face of the palestinians. which doesn’t belong there?”

    The euro jews? Have you ever seen a sephardic jew? THis is disgusting. Based on that little metric, get the FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY, NIC! Look around. It’s mostly white and has been historically. GET THE FUCK OUT, MEXICAN! That’s basically what you’re saying.

    “to extend that idea, why not rip everything from california to texas and give it back to mexico?”

    Wow, your ignorance knows no bounds. Because mexico lost a war, right? LOL! That territory was in western hands when the ottoman empire disbanded ,to do with as the west wanted.

    “in fact, why not take the europeans out of the americas and return the whole of the continent to the peoples who have lived here for thousands of years.”

    Why would we do that? Further, jews did live in the region for thousands of years…

    “we arm the israelis to the teeth and they attack surrounding states with impunity. might makes right?”

    And they damn well need to be armed surrounded by hostile states that want to invade them and kill every last israeli.

    “the establishment of a jewish state in that region was a huge mistake.”

    So was allowing any mexican into the united states. Carlos Mencia is their biggest cultural contribution! (this is how you sound like to me). No, it’s only mistake if you’ve already made up your mind that the only people who belong in the region are Islamic extremists. I think it’s been quite beneficial, actually to have israel there, and westernize and develop large parts of the land, and build a flourishing economy.

    “little wonder that the middle east will continue to be an agitated hornet’s nest.”

    That assumes that it wouldn’t be anyway. That assumes that the united states didn’t inflict itself upon Iran, and that anti american sentiments wouldn’t be as high as they are right now without israel…oh they’d be there, rube. They’d be there. You haven’t the slightest idea of what you’re talking about.

    “little wonder that they hate us so much that they would even consider crashing planes into buildings.”

    We deserved it! Right? Fuck you, nic.

    “btw, i do read a history book, now and again, but never an ‘istory book. and i’ll be damned if i ever start taking seriously a person who argues on behalf of an ‘istoric precedent. the “h” is not silent, dammit! when you go out of town, do you stay at an ‘otel?”

    OH fuck you you antisemitic sack of shit. I suggest you read a history book, you illiterate, radical pig.

  23. TANK says

    Is that the best ya got, nic? Well I’ll do you one better. At the end of the Clinton presidency, Arafat walked away from the negotiating table at the camp david peace accords in 2000, pissing away one of the best solutions to ending bloodshed in the region (Bill Clinton said so himself). The violence that ensued could have been avoided, and the families of the fallen have him to blame for their loss on both sides. Why? Arafat then called for a dramatic surge in suicide bombings by palestinians; particularly young girls who should sacrifice themselves for Islam.

    Misunderstood, beleagured freedom fighters huh, Nic? Once again, fuck you. Terrorists. You and your kind don’t give a fuck about people’s lives, and feel obliged to call everyone who disagrees with you unjust, a bigot, or worse. You have no credibility.

    And I said nothing about your functional literacy. I assume it’s intact.

  24. JT says

    All this talk is cheap. Because if any openly gay man in the U.S. HAD to be sent to a Middle East country for a year right now, you know damn well he’d choose Israel (unless he’s suicidal).

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