AP: 27 Dead in Connecticut School Shooting Include 18 Children


Horrific. Developing story here….

Our thoughts go out to the families affected by this tragedy.



  1. John says


    I wonder if the NRA and the gun lobby will argue that if those children had guns, this never would have happened.

    Let’s hope our politicians will finally say “Enough is enough” and finally do something. Amend the Second Amendment if we have to. But seriously, enough is enough.

  2. says

    my heart aches not just for todays’ tragedy, but for the gallingly reality that this will not end here.

    WHEN are we, as a culture, going to have a collectively HONEST discussion about the gun-violence epidemic, the all-too-easy access to guns, and the gun-culture that continues to shame our supposedly enlightened species?

    the “freedom to carry a gun” is not freedom at all. if you defend your right to carry a gun all you’re doing is defending your right to not be free, and not feel free. freedom is a culture where people no longer feel a need to act upon their “Second amendment rights”

  3. Caliban says

    Jesus. According to the article much of the shooting took place in a kindergarten class.

    So how long will it be before NRA types claim that if kindergartners were allowed to carry concealed weapons this wouldn’t have happened? I’m not making light of it- that sort of statement is made every time there is a shooting. “If we just had MORE guns this wouldn’t have happened!” Every. Damn. Time.

  4. Caliban says

    Jesus. According to the article much of the shooting took place in a kindergarten class.

    So how long will it be before NRA types claim that if kindergartners were allowed to carry concealed weapons this wouldn’t have happened? I’m not making light of it- that sort of statement is made every time there is a shooting. “If we just had MORE guns this wouldn’t have happened!” Every. D*mn. Time.

  5. Yupp says

    Bozeman : Whenever I read about a gaybashing (or alleged gaybashing) there are plenty of posts from gay men advising “Buy a gun and learn how to use it.” So….get ready for a debate, everyone, if you want to go THERE. Lots of different views.

  6. says

    I cannot fathom the shooting of little children…….this is way beyond shocking .
    I grieve for the unbearable pain and losses of their families.

    This is not the first time that US society has been called upon to deal with the absurd Amendment which allows and facilitates such carnage.

  7. Stephen says

    Im gay, out and 42. I used to be anti-gun having been a victim of a crime involving a gun. I now have one and while Im not a NRA member, I’m glad I finally have one. The gun doesn’t make me want to shoot people. I just know that if someone tries to break into my home, hurt me or my family, I’m better prepared.

    Don’t think if guns are instantly just gone, these things won’t happen. Murderers will just get creative.

    Just like abortion, if you intend to do something you will find a means.

  8. Gast says

    I hurt for these children, their parents and family. This senseless loss of innocent life has got to stop. Firearms have to be restricted, we’re paying too high of a price so that some can hunt deer. No more.

  9. jamal49 says

    This is horrible. Perhaps tomorrow we can debate the usual politics but right now, watching the news, I am trying to comprehend that 20 children and 8 adults were murdered in an elementary school. It seems unreal and unbelievable. But, it is real and it has happened. God help the families and the children. God help us all.

  10. says

    I know many of you are gay and without children. As a married gay with a son who is the biggest joy in our lives I just don’t know how any parent of a child who is murdered goes on without losing their minds. I think I would cry myself to death. We love our son so very much that for me it hurts every day to pack his juice and “sammich” and send him off to school. He hates it when I pick him up when school is over and hug hug hug him “No huggies Daddy!” but I can’t resist. He’s coming up on six and I have stopped kissing the hell out of him but even that is hard to do.

  11. Jack M says

    Littlekiwi is right. How can anyone feel free in a country where so many unstable men (notice it’s never women) walk around carrying guns?

    The NRA has no defensible position in this case. Stricter laws MUST be passed.

  12. Mary says

    I read somewhere that “a gun is ineffective without the will to shoot.” Although I don’t own a gun (I come from a family with a history of very bad tempers and it wouldn’t be wise) I think it should be pointed out that we’ve had the second amendment for centuries, but that school shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon. I’d focus more on mental health. It’s hard to see this gunman as anything but deranged. There’s nothing those 18 children could possibly have done to make the gunman angry enough to want to kill them. People who want to commit evil acts will find a way to do them – with our without a gun.

  13. Endo says

    You don’t need guns for mass killings at a school; just look up the Osaka and Akihibara massacres, as well as the school knifings in China. While tighter regulations on who can get a gun are warranted, to blame the issue ENTIRELY on gun control is unproductive and leaves out the more important issue of mental health detection and awareness.

  14. Stephen says

    Days like this make people wake up from living in their Disney movie. A gun doesn’t cause the problem, so what is it? Fear? Hate? I don’t know, but I do know that it doesn’t come down to a piece of machinery. To think that is like blaming McDonald’s for you being fat.

    LK – it’s great that you can feel like a real man while wearing a red bra and panties. That’s your thing, good for you. I’m not judging, just stop being a troll. None of this discussing is about your masculinity.

  15. Caliban says

    Given that, for the time being at least, the ship has sailed on limitations to gun ownership in the US and the NRA owns many of our elected officials outright, I don’t blame any gay person who owns a gun for self-protection.

    Chances are that even this event will not spark meaningful debate because politicians are too afraid to touch it- gun “rights” are the 3rd rail of politics.

    But the Right continues to promote laws that extend where guns can legally be taken, into BARS for god’s sake(!) and campuses, based on some heroic action-movie fantasy. If they could they’d legalize the private ownership of bazookas. Only for hunting *wink wink*.

    The truth is that guns only have one real purpose, to kill others from a distance, and when someone is carrying a gun in public you are ONLY as safe as that person is sane. And there is plenty of evidence that gun ownership and sanity don’t always align. All you really know about someone who swaggers into the local Starbucks with a gun on their hip is they’re already a bit “hinky” about guns, value brandishing them above the comfort of others, and you can’t know their real intent until they start using it.

  16. Caliban says

    “to carry a gun, and defend your doing so, merely shows that you live in fear.”

    Little Kiwi, sometimes fear is a reasonable response if you legitimately feel you could be in danger.

  17. says

    @ YUPP :
    No , it doesn’t happen in Europe.

    And more importantly no country in Europe allows a right in its citizens to carry arms.

    Let’s try an experiment and repeal the Amendment for ten/twenty years and collect in all the guns and we will see if the number of massacres decline.
    Killing Congress women
    Killing cinema goers
    killing High School kids
    now killing the Little Ones…

    Has the NRA no decency ? It should dissolve itself.

  18. Petes says

    Actually, this does happen in Europe. Some wacko went and killed a bunch of school children in Scotland 20 years ago when it was much easier to get a handgun. The response, however, was to tighten up controls on handguns in the UK even more, and it hasn’t happened again. In the US, this is an annual occurrence.

  19. Joey says

    Jesus H. A room full of 4 & 5 year olds..
    Those poor families. My heart goes out to them. May they someday be able to go on with their lives after such a senseless and tragic loss.

  20. jjose712 says

    I will never understand american’s obsession with guns. Maybe it’s my european point of view but i find that disturbing and scary.
    It’s sad that a book like We need to talk about Kevin, it’s like every day news, and it will be for a long time, because a lot of people seems unable to see what’s wrong in this whole mess

  21. Yupp says

    2011, 77 teenagers murdered in Norway. You all forget that. Look up the worst spree killings (sometimes the criminologists call them Rampage Killings). Of the top ten (victim-wise) only two cases were in the U.S. So don’t turn this into a fashionably anti-American hate-fest. And to turn this into a gun-debate is trashy too.

  22. EchtKultig says

    “And to turn this into a gun-debate is trashy too.”

    So turning anything into a discussion is trashy? Should we not have discussed terrorism after 9/11?

  23. Yupp says

    And if you are going to talk about the general rate of gun violence in the U.S., you’re going to have to get into the race factor, and the p.c. Towleroadies never want to go there so ……we better just stick to the Crazed Spree Killer (where the worst incidents have been in Australia, Norway, and South Korea).

  24. EchtKultig says

    As a mature adult, I will admit I went a little too far. I had only read the 2nd page of comments and assumed that was your only contribution.
    The fact is though, this sort of thing is much more common in the US, and overall rate of gun violence is much higher here than in other first world countries. I actually do not want the degree of gun control that some Americans progressives want. It is the 3rd rail of American politics. I’m probably “moderate to slightly conservative” on the issue and don’t have the visceral horror than many Western Europeans do at the mere thought of individuals owning guns. But there are steps we could take to reduce the chances of things like this happening. Since this isn’t a firearms rights forum I don’t see the point in taking my time to enumerate them. I’ll email my congress person. If other people have ideas, do share them.

    So yes, to say it’s _not_ a time to discuss gun control did seem like trolling to me. You’re not the president. It’s different when someone in that position is addressing the entire nation. This is a discussion forum that covers US politics.

  25. EchtKultig says

    Alright then, saying Towleroad is PC is trolling. Thanks, you’ve made your nature clear. What does that even mean? That most people here are not racists, so it must be “PC”? Can you cite one example of a comment being deleted because it involved race?

    What does race have to do with this? Black people like to kill their victims a few at a time, and Asians and whites like spree shooting apparently? I’m pretty sure that doesn’t make any race seem superior.

  26. Yupp says

    Uh…Ech, if you don’t know this blog is p.c. (Andrew Belonsky refuses to even MENTION any case of gaybashing in NYC if the culprit is not Caucasian) and that race will not be an uncomfortable factor in an honest discussion of the U.S. firearms murder rate, then….nothing more to say..

  27. wkm1965 says

    although this is a very sad event, i have a different view in this tragedy. americans flock to theaters and spend millions to watch movies about crazed killers stalking and killing innocent people. from psycho, halloween, friday the 13th, saw and hostil. when it happens in real life we are appalled and ask how can this happen. it wasnt the first and wont be the last. one more thing. humans have been killing each other with stones, arrows, swords and poison, so dont blame guns.

  28. Bill says

    @jjose712: The American obsession with guns is really an obsession on the part of a small fraction of the population. The National Rifle Association runs a number of programs, many innocuous (e.g., safety training, shooting ranges, etc.) which gives it a fairly substantial member base, all paying dues. The problem is the NRA’s political activity. If a senator or congressperson introduces gun-control legislation, the NRA will punish him by spending a lot of money for his opponent. Since the NRA has a national donor base and senators and congresspersons are to a significant extent dependent on local contributors, the NRA has a credible threat. Our politicians are afraid to do anything because of the risk of losing the next election by being outspent.

    The way to fix it is to get meaningful campaign finance reform, something the Supreme Court has made difficult to do by pretending that political action committees have free-speech rights to spend as much money as they like on an election.

  29. jjose712 says

    Last summer in spain a 22 young guy wanted to kill a lot of people on his university. He was stopped before he can even try. First he tried to buy a gun, he couldn’t, and that attempt to buy a gun make him suspicious (in spain there’s psicological test you must past before buying a gun). The he tried to buy explosives on internet, and he was catch by the police when he did it.

    People say the number of deaths in one attack are higher in other countries and that can be true, but the truth is that this happen in the USA a number of times a lot higher than in any other contry, and the total number of death people on this type of attacks is a lot higher in the USA than in any other country.

    And yes, with a better gun control most of this attacks could be prevented, because you only need to have a gun by your side in a moment of rage to cause a tragedy. I know most of this killers are psycopaths, but i’m pretty sure that a lot of deaths in different circunstances (like accidents) could be prevented with a better control, and this mass murderers will get a lot harder to buy their arsenals

  30. ratbastard says

    Lil’ Canadian:



    CT has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country already.

    My question is why are these types of incidents much more common today than when I was a kid 20-odd years ago? Ask someone who grew up 30,40,50 years ago and they just shake their heads. These things were basically unheard of, VERY rare. Even in my time my schools weren’t ‘locked down’, there were no security cameras, no armed guards, no metal detectors, and nothing ever happened. And my schools were in big, urban areas. We also didn’t have a lot of kids all hopped up on ‘medications’, most came from reasonably stable homes and had a mom and dad, and the society was far less obsessed with being ‘hard’ [we can thank mass marketing, rap for that] than kids and many adults are today.

    When the basic family unit becomes broken, society will suffer, and it will especially suffer an increase in violence. The state is no substitute for a loving, stable family unit. One of the reasons there has developed such a bad problem with violence in the ‘black community’ is because the dysfunction and broken family units among African Americans is of an epidemic proportion compared to any other demographic. The reasons for this complete breakdown are many and it’s a complicated issue. But what we’re now seeing is the rest of society is starting to mimic and even catch up with the long standing [half century] breakdown of the black family unit in our society. And no, I’m not being ‘Racist’ and am certainly not blaming black people for anything here. My point should be pretty obvious to any intelligent and honest [not disingenuous] person.

  31. ratbastard says


    It was PROGRESSIVES not so-called conservatives who are mainly responsible for so many seriously mentally ill walking our streets, driving our roads, etc. Mental health laws were radically altered back in the 60s and especially 70s due to ‘progressive’ demands to allow mentally ill people their rights to do basically as they please.

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