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Boy Scouts: A Leaker Spoiled What Was to Be a Private Discussion of Gay Ban, and All Hell Broke Loose

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The recent reconsideration by the Boy Scouts of its ban on gay scouts and leaders was meant to be a private discussion behind closed doors, but those plans were foiled because someone inside the organization leaked the plans to the media, the NYT reports:

BsaInstead, the exact opposite of quiet deliberation broke loose with a fury on Jan. 28, when word of the proposed change was confirmed in a statement from Boy Scouts headquarters, followed by further reverberations this week when the Boy Scouts said the decision would be deferred until the annual national meeting in May. Groups on both sides said on Friday that the three-month window to marshal their forces and tactics in influencing opinion inside and outside scouting would be exploited with gusto. Without the leak, and the expectations about sudden change that arose as a result, there would not have been a window at all.

“We are amazingly sorry with the fact that this got out and got ahead of us,” said Tico A. Perez, scouting’s national commissioner, at a town hall meeting on Tuesday with about 250 staff members and volunteers with the Boy Scouts of America, including the executive board. A recording of Mr. Perez’s comments, made by someone at the meeting, was obtained by The Times.

The source of the leak has not been identified, but its effect has been evident, the Times reports. "External organizations" have "seized the moment" and the issue has become one of national focus.

The BSA announced this week that they have postponed their vote on the gay ban until May, giving those external organizations much more time to debate this issue in the public sphere.

Conservative commentator Horace Cooper of the National Center for Public Policy Research joined Thom Hartmann on the RT show 'The Big Picture' to argue that the Scouts shouldn't have to let gays in.

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  1. Kind of ironic, when you consider that the founder of the Boy Scouts is usually thought to have been gay.

    Posted by: Ernst Rhoem's Ghost | Feb 9, 2013 10:07:06 AM


  2. Interesting language they're using now. The Gays start standing up for themselves and demand equality and we're now labelled "bullies."

    Posted by: Gigi | Feb 9, 2013 10:24:23 AM


  3. Interesting language they're using now. The Gays start standing up for themselves and demand equality and we're now labelled "bullies."

    Posted by: Gigi | Feb 9, 2013 10:25:17 AM


  4. Interesting language they're using now. The Gays start standing up for themselves and demand equality and we're now labelled "bullies."

    Posted by: Gigi | Feb 9, 2013 10:25:19 AM


  5. So, they weren't prepared. No merit badge for Public Relations, guys.

    Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen | Feb 9, 2013 10:25:39 AM


  6. It's already been established by the SCOTUS that the BSA is allowed to discriminate, so what's the problem?

    Obviously, they understand that even if they are 'right' they've gotten it wrong & will soon be another untouchable relic of discrimination.

    And besides, we can't ever know for certain if the leak was an accident or a calculated trial balloon.

    Posted by: Pete N SFO | Feb 9, 2013 10:46:46 AM


  7. Never forget the profound influence the LDS have on the BSA. Keep that in mind if you think they are going to acquiesce; there are many articles written about this.

    Posted by: Nick | Feb 9, 2013 10:52:55 AM


  8. So "the gays" ar the new bullies.

    It's OK for the Popish church to call us inherently disordered, OK not to recognise our marriages which we had in the Netherlands, OK to impose DADT for years, OK to discriminate against us in the workplace, OK to instill fear in NFL players so that they are afraid to come out, ...........but we are the bullies ?

    This clown is a disgrace to his community and his history.
    He has learned nothing; he is just another social climbing wanna-be.

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Feb 9, 2013 11:03:40 AM


  9. the medical, psychiatric and social science communities and even the military have shown this to be a non-issue - so what the devil is wrong with the BSA?

    To borrow a phrase, I'd say they're inherently disordered.

    Posted by: DannyEastVillage | Feb 9, 2013 12:12:47 PM


  10. First of all, commentors, more than one party to a disagreement can be a bully. Have gays been bullied? Yes. Do gays bully? Yes. Bully doesn't mean "espouse a position different than mine."

    Second, the obvious middle step here is to allow gay scouts, but not gay scout master (etc.). Why can no one see this?

    Posted by: Reasonability | Feb 9, 2013 12:30:02 PM


  11. Well, sorry about that private discussion and all hell breaking loose. But that's sorta the only way oppression ends.

    *ahem*

    "The corporations have money, power and influence. Our sole weapon is public outrage. Outrage blocked the Yuccan Dam, ousted Nixon, and in part, terminated the monstrosities in Vietnam. But outrage is unwieldy to manufacture and handle. First, you need scrutiny; second, widespread awareness; only when this reaches a critical mass does public outrage explode into being. Any stage may be sabotaged. The corporations can fight scrutiny buy burying truth in committees, dullness, misinformation, or by intimidating the scrutinizers. They extinguish awareness by dumbing down education, owning TV stations, paying 'guest-fees' to leader writers, or just buying the media up. The media is where democracies conduct their civil wars."

    -an interview conducted by Luisa Rey, Spyglass Magaine.
    David Mitchell's CLOUD ATLAS

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Feb 9, 2013 12:42:47 PM


  12. So pettiness is getting in the way of the BSA doing the RIGHT thing?! Again, I have to re-iterate. F*CK the BSA and their immature, hateful and bigotted F*CK*NG attitudes. The scouts would be MUCH better off without being taught to hate and discriminate against their fellow compatriate.

    Posted by: Tothepoint | Feb 9, 2013 1:44:44 PM


  13. @Reasonability. Your reasoning still espouses discrimination. Now you would be teaching scouts it is ok to respect everyone but adult LGBTs. So a gay scout will know they are respected as young people, they will NOT be respected as adults. Further, bullying would not exist if everyone respected everyone, no matter the reason.

    Posted by: Tothepoint | Feb 9, 2013 1:59:02 PM


  14. They weren't ready for the backlash. They underestimated us. Now it's time for the BSA to do the right thing and fully eliminate this horrific ban.

    Posted by: Francis | Feb 9, 2013 2:18:04 PM


  15. @ Reasonability (AND @ TothePoint): your argument doesn't just continue discrimination, but also implicitly gives place to the argument that gay=pedophile. Thanks but no thanks.

    Posted by: DannyEastVillage | Feb 9, 2013 3:40:13 PM


  16. @Reasonability
    Your compromise doesn't work. One of the cases that has brought this controversy to prominence was the lesbian mom who was fired as a den mother.


    You tell a little boy "You're OK, but your mom isn't." Damned if I would.

    Posted by: Rich | Feb 9, 2013 3:42:59 PM


  17. methinks "reasonability" is only allowed by his family and friends to be "gay, but not a sexually active gay"

    *chump*

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Feb 9, 2013 3:54:44 PM


  18. The BSA guy in the interview should have shown up in drag - as Marie Antoinette on steroids. What he was basically saying, is "They can't buy bread? Let them eat cake," followed by "quick, corner the market on cake," sotto voce.

    Posted by: Bill | Feb 9, 2013 5:13:40 PM


  19. How much is NOM paying this uncle tom? NOM really knows how to use black people and this is proof. Black people were not allowed to be Boy Scouts not that long ago until the laws were changed, notice how this NOM drone avoids that when asked? This is plainly a black anti-gay Christian working for the hate group, National Organization for Marriage.

    Posted by: Uncle | Feb 9, 2013 5:25:42 PM


  20. I see Reasonability's point about allowing gays as scouts but not as scout leaders. Until recently I would have said that this policy at least allows for some progress. And I'd still rather see this happen than seen the no-gays-allowed-ata-all policy that the BSA has now. But there IS something a bit off about saying that scouts can join but not lead. It reeks of a second-class citizenship status. And people working for equality don't want to validate that kind of thinking.

    I think that a better policy would be - if an inclusive BSA is still some time in the future - to let individual chapters of the scouts decide for themselves whether or not to let in gay members. This allows for some leeway - those who can't accept equality still have some choice in the matter. I have no doubt that in time all scout chapters will accept gays.

    Posted by: Mary | Feb 9, 2013 6:12:38 PM


  21. The BSA was a chief client of the PR agency I worked at in the early 90s. Our client contact was gay (yet a former Eagle Scout) and only the agency team knew. (Alas, I was gay, too, but young and in denial, anyway....). Am still surprised the client contact never wrote a book or revealed it in a big way. Prior to the BSA he worked for a women's haircare product, so you'd think they'd have more of a clue,

    Posted by: CantSay | Feb 9, 2013 9:15:49 PM


  22. wait a moment here ... RT stands for Russian Times ?? Yet the English speaking version based here in America is progressive and pro gay . Where as Russia, is one of the MOST homophobic nations on Earth

    Posted by: MarkBoston | Feb 9, 2013 10:31:09 PM


  23. I'm always amused that an African American rails about LGBT rights - especially someone as historically and legally ignorant as Cooper. I am floored that he didn't know BSA used to deny membership on race!

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Feb 9, 2013 11:28:34 PM


  24. Take all the time you need. Our opponents will use it to piss away more money paying themselves exorbitant salaries and further make a$$es of themselves and their bigoted allies.

    Posted by: Buckie | Feb 10, 2013 1:45:27 AM


  25. There's a lot of money riding on this. Lot's and lot's of public and private funding to pay the salaries and retirement portfolios of the boys at the top is what's at stake. The ONLY reason the BSA leadership will ever change is their never-ending greed for gold.

    Posted by: Bill Michael | Feb 10, 2013 7:52:05 AM


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