Comments

  1. Mmike1969 says

    Use of baseball bats and socks with soap bars in them is quite appropriate in this situation. Screw these bigots and start sending them all to either the hospitals or have them met their gods.

  2. petensfo says

    Any T-Road readers with some cultural context for this vitriolic hatred for gay people in these nations?

    Why are they so worked up? Is seems so disproportionate.

  3. Brian1 says

    @petensfo,

    I just wrote a long answer about the role of geography but it was too long so I deleted it. Instead, the quick and more persuasive answer is the role of Communism and subsequently religion in the ex-Soviet bloc. The church (both catholic and orthodox) was outlawed in the region, and became champions of democratic reform. So while the church in the west was quickly becoming irrelevant, in the East it became something heroic. Then when the communists were toppled, the churches had a blank slate. So they were able to build their local churches in an idealised fashion, getting their followers to believe all the stuff that most people laugh at in the west. It’s important to note that in all of eastern europe/russia there are still lots of people who are atheists, and almost overwhelmingly don’t care about gay issues. But the violent thugs who attend these pride rallies are usually religious nationalists, who imbibe the gay hate theology in its entirety.

  4. Aldebaran says

    @petensfo @brian1

    Brian1, you’re definitely right about the role of religion in promoting homophobia in many of these countries. In Latvia all the major denominations (Lutheran & Catholic among the Latvians, Orthodox among the Russians) are very homophobic. Lithuania is overwhelmingly Catholic and so the church’s official anti-gay views are taken seriously.

    However, I would also add that the Soviet culture that middle-aged and older people grew up in was one where homosexuality was considered a crime and/or mental illness. This kind of experience growing up contributes to some people of this age group in post-Soviet countries reacting so negatively towards gay people and gay rights issues (or at least this is the case in the Baltic States, with which I have personal experience).

  5. Kev C says

    Communism was very macho and homophobic, as is the christianity that replaced it. But poverty and education also plays a role, as violently homophobic people and countries are invariably poor and uneducated.

  6. R. Piragis says

    Ar Katalikų Bažnyčia moko lietuvius būti Neapykantos žūties? Ar tai į gėjų, pavyzdžiui, link žydų pasipiktinimą pasipiktinimas? Ar lietuviai pasislėpti kryžiaus, o geriamojo, neištikimybę ir daug kitų pažeidimų įsakymų? Amerikos lietuviai nori žinoti tiesą!

    Sveikas

  7. R. Piragis says

    Ne verta nerimauti, pasaulis nežino, ką lygūs sambūvio. Tai tarsi šuo vejasi savo uodegą. Lyderiai mieliau žudyti, luošinti ir sunaikinti prieš numatant jos ateities kartoms ateitį. Žmogžudystės slepiasi už religinių priežasčių ir politinę galią. 100, 000 sirai miręs ir kokiu tikslu? 1/4 milijonai žydų Lietuvoje per Antrąjį pasaulinį karą …. dėl kokiu tikslu?

    Aš embarassed būti Lietuvos. Ir dar už tai, kad katalikų!

  8. Kev C says

    @Kiwi, the problem is that the affluent can also be homophobic, but are less likely to use violence. The Mormons are an example of affluent homophobes who use government to discriminate. But without government power and money, the Mormons would revert to being violent thugs whose obsessive hatred of gays is greater than their love of Jesus. The difference between Utah and Uganda is money.

  9. Saturnalia says

    Actually, none of you are right. As I wrote about montenegro affair, homosexual activists are seen as an extended hand of west, European union. They get money form it and sprout its propaganda, while creating conflicts, insulting traditional culture of both Baltic and Balkan countries, and promoting isues which are not in accord with said values. Also, I see you blame the church, but it is not a case here, as most of the young ones, high scholers are not religious but are against homosexual marriages and adoption.

    Basically, you in the west, especially in America heve no idea what is going on in eastern europe and it has nothing with cold war and whatnot ( macho culture, hah ) but with eureopean unions politics of exploatating countries of said regions, dictating them what to do, which is aginst pwoples wishes. They do not jsut protest homosexuals but all kinds of events that are seen as an extension of eu politics.

  10. R. Piragis says

    Claiming that just because one does not inhabit a former Eastern block country does not render one correct. Basic human rights are ignored. Russian values versus EU politic aside, Lithuanians are carrying the doctrine of the Catholic Church that has a history 600 years old. Lithuania appears to stand on its own without EU money.
    Saturnalia check the statistics and use spell check. Voila.

  11. R. Piragis says

    Incidentally, Kev C, Lithuanians would not be as ignorant if Stalin hadn’t sent most of it intelligent educators and teachers to Siberia. Three of my aunts and uncles were deported (eventually died there or soon after), a couple fled to Australia. Communism was drummed into the students heads….as capitalism is drummed into the heads of the West. Teachers that fled the country had taken lesser positions because their degrees were minimized or thought lesser of. Lets just say Russia did more harm than good in the Baltic States.

    Estonia is still stuck with many Russian
    ex-pats. riebalų mišrūnai!!!

Leave A Reply