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  1. Rick says

    Pathetic and beneath decency.

    Ed Koch was of a generation where being “out” was suicidal for anyone with any serious political ambitions. Judging from that photo, the people protesting are of a generation that never has experienced the pressures and fears that older generations did.

    And needless to say, you would never see these same people protesting at the Clinton Presidential Library on the anniversary of Clinton’s signing of the Defense of Marriage Act or “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. No, that might harm the image of their political “diva” Hillary, who gets a pass despite having shared her husband’s anti-gay history because she is a heterosexual woman, unlike Ed Koch, who being a gay man himself, gets lambasted even in death for simply not acting as swiftly as he might have on a public health issue.

    As I said, pathetic beyond words.

  2. Mike says

    NEVER thought that I would say this but for once I ALMOST agree with our resident troll Rick. If we do not show FORGIVENESS to the memory of the late Ed Koch, who was gay at an unbelievably unpopular time then we become as bad or worse then his accusers.

    Certainly this must have been a horrible time and we can not allow ourselves the privilege of seeing history out of context now. We become less then human if we do so . . .

  3. tinkerbelle says

    I agree with Rick. This is also not a troll-like comment, as it is logical and intelligent.

    You had to be there at that time to understand.

  4. jamal49 says

    Slow? Inadequate? That’s b.s. More of that embittered crank, Larry Kramer’s, propaganda. The Koch administration did no better or no worse than anyone else in that time. Probably better than most. It infuriates me that Kramer gets a free pass on this nonsense. Ed Koch’s administration helped people with AIDs get as much public assistance as was possible at that time. I know because I had many a friend who got rent subsidies and food subsidies from NYC. No one knew what the hell was going on at that time. This is a personal vendetta by Kramer that is completely unfounded and out of line. ACT UP is out of line on this one. They should be directing their vitriol where it really needs to be instead of hounding the memory of a man who was a friend the the gay community long before it was fashionable. I can’t believe Kramer and ACT UP are still pushing this sh*t.

  5. 24play says

    Thank you, Jamal, for recognizing that this protest had nothing to do with Koch being a pathetic closet case.

    Unfortunately, you’re dead wrong on Koch’s record on AIDS. His administration’s response to HIV/AIDS truly was slow and horrifically inadequate. Some people would like to believe that, in your words, “The Koch administration did no better or no worse than anyone else in that time,” but it’s simply not true. In 1984 San Francisco under Dianne Feinstein spent $4.3 mil on AIDS. NYC under closet case Ed Koch spent $24,500.

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/172620/ed-koch-and-cost-closet

    The course of the epidemic in NYC could have been very different if Koch had stepped up and shown leadership on the issue. But he refused.

  6. jjose712 says

    Rick: They are not protesting Koch’s not coming out, they are protesting honoring a man whose actions during AIDS epidemic were queationable (if you are generous and not say something worse).

    And if my memory didn’t fail, Koch himself was not satisfied with his behaviour during that days

    Being a stupid troll is ok, trying to fool everyone talking about something that has nothing to do with the protest is not ok

  7. Troy says

    The blame game on AIDS continues to this very day: who’s fight was tougher, who took more ‘bullets’ and so on but none of this could account for the lives lost or the real emotional cost.

    Ed’s closeted boyfriend gang will eventually do a tell all book on it, turn it into a movie and we’ll all blink as life goes on: but hey, wasn’t that plaque outside Eddies place kinda weird and tacky? I’m just sayin..

  8. Furn says

    @Rick.

    I wasn’t around then, but any disease which kill thousands DESERVES A RESPONSE FROM THE GOVERNMENT AS IT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE.

    Back in the 1980s, it seems like no one gave a sh*t at first because only gay men were afflicted.

    Sorry, Roach, I mean Koch, does not deserve to be honored in any way except what he FAILED TO DO AS MAYOR.

  9. QJ201 says

    BS on defending Koch. While he did nothing like most others is not a defense…particularly when you compare the city government response in San Francisco. I remember people with AIDS in the mid 80s moving to SF simply because there were better services compared to what you could get in NYC.

  10. unruly says

    Why is Ed Koch’ residence being declared a historic landmark in the first place? Put up a plaque saying he lived there but making it a historic landmark is over the top — every f’ing place in NYC could become a landmark on those terms.

  11. Gri says

    @Unruly

    Old hoes who havent had sex since the 70s (Kock’s beards) are on the landmark comittee. They like to make spectacle. Yentes, what else is new.

  12. Mike Ryan says

    Good for Act Up. Let’s hope they keep it coming and I would be pleased as punch if they disrupted Clinton on the anniversary of signing DOMA into law. There is nothing that riles me more than gay people who promote “forgiveness” for the wrongs of society. They do it with Russia, India, the gay haters and you know their whines, “We should turn the other cheek and forgive these people…” My response is bullpucky – we should NEVER let them forget what they have done to us. Think about the millions of gay people who have been maimed, tortured, lobotomized, beaten, hanged, murdered, lost their jobs, their homes, their families – you cannot forgive for those kinds of ongoing continuing losses.

  13. Troy says

    If it weren’t so pitiful this would’ve been a good Saturday night live sketch: they even rolled out ole troll Dinkins to seal the deal. Oh fabulous it was back then to be gossiped about as to being suspected gay and all the creeping around, nobody gave a da mn about AIDS back then all they cared about was partying their ass off and getting laid and now that the party’s over time to pay up. Koch is an icky awkward martyr to look up to and his era was one big boiling mess.

  14. anon says

    Koch was pretty nasty. He had goons kick his lover out of the city when he ran for Mayor and also fired several gay aides when the epidemic hit. What gets Kramer’s goat, though, was 1) the closing of the bathhouses and 2) the failure to provide free housing to aids patients. The latter was a longtime Kramer wishlist item since HIV+ people were kicked out of their apartments out of fear of it spreading. However, Koch did not live out his years unremarked upon. Before he died just about all his secrets were revealed.

  15. says

    “Why is Ed Koch’ residence being declared a historic landmark in the first place?”

    It should be a historic landmark because it’s Larry Kramer’s place of residence too.

    For those of you who weren’t around Ed Koch was not only a closet case.

    WHEN HIE LOVER SEROCONVERTED HE HAD HIM SENT OUT OF THE STATE TO DIE ALONE!

    I haven’t the slightest doubt “Rick” approves.

  16. Mort says

    Ed Koch lived for an awfully long time into an era when he would have lost nothing except a decades-long facade of hypocrisy by admitting who he really was. But instead he would attend Democratic Party events and play footsie under-the-table with startled young men.

    No one can convince me that his inaction during the early years of the AIDS crisis was anything but self-protective cowardice.

    As for declaring his last residence a landmark, if it involved anything more than putting up a fake bronze plaque noting that the old reprobate spent a couple of years there, the entire New York City Landmarks Commission should be politely requested to resign.

  17. JackFknTwist says

    Does St. Vincent’s Hospital exist any more ?
    Is there a bronze plaque there commemorating those who were wrapped in body bags – their bodies never shown the respect and dignity due ?
    Is such a place not a more historic landmark that the house where the Mayor lived for a few years ?
    Is such a place not a more significant historical landmark ?

  18. ratbastard says

    Here’s the hard truth:

    AIDs should have from the start (especially in the early years) been treated as the major public health hazard it was. The type of measures used to combat communicable diseases prior to the advent of antibiotics should have been taken, including isolating (humanly) those infected and capable of further infecting others. Bath houses, peep shows, sex clubs,etc. should have been shut down. Major efforts should have been aimed at educated the public about the deadly dangers of AIDs, similar to previous measures aimed at educated the public about the dangers of syphilis in the pure antibiotic generations. Finally, a major push involving intravenous drug addicts should have occurred, more effective treatment, forced if necessary. None of the above occurred, primarily because community advocates fought such measures.