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  1. mike/ says

    i don’t think the ultimate problem will be the team or the locker room. i believe it will be the neanderthals in the stands. we’ve seen various European teams actually walk off the field because of the slurs & jabs at players. i can understand how players would be more afraid than in other areas. they would be in front of tens of thousands of people and it only takes ONE person to turn a crowd into a mob…

  2. Francis #1 says

    The two interviews Brendon gave make it more clear that a player coming out isn’t quite as on the precipice as we may have thought early yesterday. But we should all be thankful for Brendon Ayanbadejo because he’s catching a lot of heat for us and taking the punches to make things easier for any proverbial out player. He’s a true ally and a hero.

    ESPN polled people on the issue of gay players and 45% said they wouldn’t want their favorite to come out (and a lot of the 55% who said yes were more “who cares” votes than a true vote of acceptance) and 56% said that a player coming out would be selfish. 80% said a player that comes out would have their draft stock hurt. Sports culture is still pretty damn homophobic. We have a lot of work to be done to make things palatable for a gay/bi player to be out and comfortable.

  3. Brian in Texas says

    @mike

    In European stands its not uncommon for fans to deride a player for being black. Throwing bananas and other things from the stands at the player, etc.

    That racial aspect doesn’t happen in American pro sports. So we will see.

  4. Francis #1 says

    Racial aspect can’t be compared to sexuality here. In the NFL, a majority of players are not white, same in NBA. In MLB, 40% of players are non-white. In NHL most players are white but the majority are not American (Canadian or European). So racial/cultural integration is basically normal in major sports, and has been for quite some time.

    That can’t be said for sexuality. The first couple out players are going to stick out like sore thumbs and given sports culture is still unfortunately quite homophobic, these players are almost assuredly going to be verbally abused and potentially physically harassed.

  5. Dastius Krazitauc says

    In this interview, he says not all of these athletes are in the NFL, that they are in other sports as well. Is he talking about “the four”? Because everyone keeps talking about four football players, even the CNN title of this interview.

  6. Duration & Convexity says

    I think hanging out on a gay oriented blog can cloud our perception of how gay friendly the world is, and in this case, the world of sports. Ayanbadejo’s kindness is not reflective of a predominant amount of players. He’s said so himself. Just a few days ago, a seatle hawks football player not only suggested gay athletes should not come out, but went on to say that coming out is self fish, would completely make things awkward in the locker room, and being gay should be left at home. His name is Chris Clemons. Those are his words on his twitter. Another NFL player actually joined him and agreed. The team initially supported him and said too much big deal was being made about it, even though he was basically advocating for segregation of gay athletes.

    The Brendon Ayandajeos are the exception not the rule, otherwise his support, compassion and kindness wouldn’t be viewed as a big deal.

  7. LEE says

    I’ve been lurking various big sports sites and blogs over this NFL story and am mortified at the level of homophobia I’m reading. It’s not even casual homophobia, it’s hundreds of comments on any given sport blog that say they will protest outside the stadium if a player comes out. That they’ll never take their children to that team’s games with an openly gay player. Many comments stating that straight players will be raped by gay athletes.

    I swear the homophobes have got more intense and louder recently

  8. Francis #1 says

    Like I said above, 56% of people agree with Chris Clemons, that a player that comes out would be selfish and doing it for attention. The only places that didn’t agree were the traditional liberal regions, New York, California, Oregon, DC, a couple other Northeast states. So the fact of the matter is, homophobia/apathy is the norm and not acceptance in the sports world and Duration & Convexity is unfortunately right about what he’s saying.

    Homophobes in general have gotten louder recently, but flagrant homophobia in sports is nothing new. We’re just seeing how deep an issue it clearly is now that the issue of gay/bi players is on the forefront. There’s a serious cultural issue and it’s being addressed now, and a lot of work is necessary.

  9. Jake says

    Raped by gay players? What the?! If anyone was in danger of being violated it would be a gay player vs potentially several straight homophobic team mates or crazy fans.

    These people have lost touch with reality. Disturbing.

    So much respect for Brendon, though. And if anyone is still bitching about Anderson’s GLAAD award: this is the kind of stuff he has had on AC360 every week for years now.

  10. Travis says

    One last dying, violent roar before they are silent and realize the world is still here and life goes on.

  11. says

    It’s the same thing, really, that we all felt before we came out – “wouldn’t it be so much easier if everyone else did it, too?”

    of course. alas, some are called to be vanguards and some wait for others to lead. at the end of the day it’s not just about thinking about what’s best for “you” – but realizing and accepting that the only way to ensure that future generations don’t have to go through what you’re going through is to be the one to open the door(s).

    realizing that closet culture can end with YOU.

  12. Ten Fold Five says

    I agree with Lee. Reading comments on sports sites, written by people with their facebook pages attached to their comments, and seeing them literally just go OFF on gay people and many threaten basically the life of these four athletes not only turns my stomach, but makes me ashamed to be of the human race. Seriously, no wonder I prefer the company of my dogs.

    Some of you should go read what these bigots (of all backgrounds and ages) are saying. Lots of comments about gays and how we’re known to rape straight people? and many comments about how these four players should be physically attacked so that they can’tlay anymore.

    Homophobia is REAL y’all. Don’t let living in Weho or NYC and having a handful of loving friends fool you.

    These four athletes should have the unwavering support of all of us.

  13. USC Trojans Fan says

    Brendon himself took to twitter last night saying how shocked he is over all the homophobic tweets he’s receiving. He himself was taken a back by the level of homophobia, mostly by Ravens fans, he’s been experiencing and the vocal resistance about an athlete coming out from fans.

    I can’t believe we live in a time where people are INTENSELY passionate against an athlete they don’t even know, being openly gay and not wanting to hide their same sex relationship. I sometimes seriously feel like we’re reliving parts of the civil rights movement in our own small way. There’s so many parellels to be made, not the least of which will be highlighted in the epic baseball film “42”

  14. says

    in a way, it’s rather similar to the way non-military people freaked out over DADT being repealed: they dont’ want to have to “respect” gay people. They dont’ want their prejudices and bigotries to be blown apart.
    people who want to “support the troops”, but not have that also mean that they’re “supporting gays”.
    people who dont’ want to realize that the people they hate are playing the sport they love.

    it makes no intellectual sense whatsoever, which means it’s an uphill battle. rationale and common sense are so bloody hard to impress on people whose daily lives seem to be devoid of either.

  15. greenfuzz says

    Alot of times I agree with you kiwi,but it’s not all roses. Go to some podunk town and live for awhile. Come to the states and maybe move to some burg in GA. or Miss.

  16. Real Talk says

    Magic Johnson’s son got HELL for coming out online. I’m black and it was disappointing to see the black community not support Magic for supporting EJ. On various blogs like Bossip and Madam Noir, people were saying Magic should choose God over his son and it’s like, really now? TMZ asked the irony about it and how our black community was giving EJ and Magic hell and Magic was his totally awesome self saying he thinks we need to work on opening minds in our community. His sons so lucky to have him.

    But it’s like, damn! a former athletes SON can’t come out and get some respect. These sports people gonna be vicious and cruel to an out athlete and it’s NOT right. SMH!

  17. says

    greenfuzz – the same “rules” apply even in Podunk-land. if every gay person, no matter where they lived, applied the mindset of “what can i do to change things” rather than “when is someone else going to change things for me?” it would move faster. the struggle is that people don’t want to be The First(s), for reasons we all understand.

  18. Cyd says

    There isn’t any truth to what Brendon said. He isn’t talking to 4 NFL players, and they aren’t coming out soon. But, it got him on TV…

  19. Garth says

    Get off the stage Anderson. Competing for “Miss Gay America”? You spent too many years in the closet You are good at looking serious while wondering what the guy is packing. According to some players this coming out will put a lot of pressure on these players — but GLAAD will have an orgasm..

  20. Rick says

    Well, if anything good comes of all the homophobic hatred you are seeing in the blogs, it should be that you all finally understand that the REAL issue in play is and has always been masculinity…..not religion, not “morality,” not “choice”, not anything. Just masculinity, plain and simple.

    So the only real solution will be to alter the male culture in such a way as to make homosexuality an accepted form of expression of masculinity.

    Attacking masculinity is and always will be totally futile.

  21. Jake says

    @Garth: Bitter people like you devide and harm the LGBT community more than most homophobes could do. What is wrong with you? When did you come out to the whole world at the risk of harming your career and getting killed in some muslim or African country? What’s your weekdays show where you produce dozens of segments on LGBT rights issues per year for a mainly straight audience that likes and respects you? Oh wait…

  22. Rick says

    And before some troll comes in and asks me to give proof of who I am, it’s not my job as a masculine gay man to be an example of gay male masculinity. It’s up to other gay men to do it. Because there’s no such thing as being the change you want to see, there is only telling everyone else that they’re doing it wrong, while I sit at my computer in anonymity.

    I’m the most masculine man ever and if I ever came out I’d change the way people think about gay people but I don’t have to do it because it’s not about masculine men coming out it’s about effeminate men being scared of masculine men like me who type angry diatribes on the internet.

  23. Rick says

    Oh, sorry. I made a typo in my post. I mean to say attacking effeminacy is futile because from the view I have of the NY streets in the basement of my mother’s house (she’s upstairs, sleeping) all I can see are effeminate men walking around, holding hands and acting like gays. Out enjoying stereotypical things like “brunch”.

    No matter how often I complain about them on the internet, those effeminates don’t seem to be going away, so clearly my attacking effeminacy is not working.

  24. Rick says

    By the way, you should all realize, as well, that virtually the only prominent people in any field who have ever come out either a) had very little, if anything, to lose by doing so, or b) had something to gain by doing so.

    Nobody is going to destroy their own lives or their livelihoods for the sake of making some out-of-touch, out-of-the-social-mainstream gay activists happy (most of whom are only out because they are so socially marginal to begin with that they, themselves, have nothing to lose by doing so). And nobody who is being reasonable should ever expect that of anyone.

  25. John says

    This guy should have a very secure position in corporate America now that he has retired from the NFL just from the intelligent confidence he radiates on TV. He would be an asset to any cause, company or team. Lucky for us we have him. As a straight, biracial man he could have enormous potential influence in winning over allies to our cause. May I also say, he sure is handsome;)

  26. Rick says

    I just don’t understand why my constant posts ever day about how much I hate effeminate gay men has not stopped those gay men from being effeminate. Whether it’s some teenager who gets bullied at school, or some “fabulous gay diva man”, none of them seem to be intimidated by my hatred toward them. Even when I wish that effeminate kids get beaten up and bullied, it always seems there are gay people and straight people who support that fem kid anyway, so if you liberals who worship effeminacy would simply join me in hating on effeminate men maybe my dreams will finally come true.

  27. Jones says

    garth and rick = same poster.

    Anyone notice the string of negative comments always seem to follow rick back to back? Gee, I wonder if it’s him using one of his MANY screenames on here

  28. Rick says

    By the way, does anyone recommend a brand of adult diapers? I have a serious problem with my pooper.

  29. Klien says

    Rick: get off the wheel chair already and go garden or soemthing. You old fart. NO ONE hear actually reads your tirades dumb@$$

  30. Rick says

    If you liberals did what I did, and anonymously told effeminate men that they’re ruining things for the rest of us, then maybe they’d go away and let us masculine gay men come out.

  31. Rick says

    @Jones You may not have been around long enough to realize that Little Kiwi frequently posts under my name as am impostor. The only two comments in this thread that are by me, the real Rick, are the one beginning “Well, if anything…” and the one beginning “By the way, you should all realize….”

    The others are by Little Kiwi posting under my name. Most intelligent people can tell the difference.

  32. Garth says

    Rick: It is a strange blend this masculine and feminine gay battle. I agree with Rick that it should not be a masculine gays job to come out just to prove that masculine gays exist — making it easier for the “brunch” crowd.

  33. Rick says

    Of course, I’d put a face to who I am to prove that this is the real Rick typing right now, but as I said earlier it’s not up to masculine like myself to come out and be visible as gay men, it’s up to masculine gay men like myself to tell effeminate men that they’re effeminate from the anonymity of my computer.

    And for some reason, not matter how many times I type it those effeminate men dont’ seem to be going anywhere. I tell them every day that they’re the reason men like me can’t come out and they’re so selfish that they continue eating brunch and holding their boyfriends’ hands in public while truly masculine gay men like myself are left sitting by our computers realizing that life has passed us by.

    So, no. I will not be giving any shred of proof that I am what I say I am because my job is merely to use the internet to tell effeminate gay men that it’s their fault that my balls never dropped.

  34. HP says

    Rick: I like Jason better. Garth just doesn’t suit you. It doesn’t have the same ring Jason or David Hearne have. just my opinion though, seeing how next week you’ll be Tank or Tori anyway.

  35. Rick says

    Garth, the effeminate brunch crowd already has it easy. They’re the ones who are out. It’s masculine gay men like yourself and I who are put at a disadvantage. And yes, we don’t need to come out. The real solution is for those effeminate gay men to hear our words and realize that for us to come out it will require all of them to go back in the closet and STAY THERE. I wonder when that will happen. When happy, out, proud gay effeminate men will finally care about our anonymous postings online and go back into hiding so that we can come out and do masculine things together as masculine gay men.

    We don’t need to come out as gay men. Those effeminate types need to do what we do and start hiding every day.

  36. Oienstien says

    God I love that the fem part of gay culture will never go anywhere, and that fem gays will ALWAYS be part of the gay community. I freakin love it. If for nothing else, because “str8 acting” Rick types have to go 6 feet under in their masculinity and die knowing their war against fem gays went nowhere, because fem gays will always AND I MEAN ALWAYS be part of our community.

    Stress does cause an early grave, so keep digging Rick :)

  37. Rick says

    You’re partly right, Oienstien. I was talking to a bunch of butch manly gay men recently and I tossed out one of my standard “I just hate those effeminate types!” comments and those men lambasted me for being a “self-hating homosexual.” See? Effeminates are even making naturally-masculine gay men feel like they need to defend effeminate gay men! Can you believe it!? They DEFENDED effeminate queens! I was so upset I went back home and masturbated to images of my mother just to wash the shame away.

  38. says

    I think other posters made a good point: the world is A LOT more homophobic than people think, especially if they live in more liberal areas. It’s disgusting that there are threats against openly gay American Football players. Perhaps it’s time to switch to rugby–that sport seems to be more open, anyway.

  39. Garth says

    Garth is Garth, not Rick. But some of you are “so sure”. Proves how “wrong” your responses are. Gay marriage is going to make gay life boring, and being gay boring. Hope you’re all happy. So many comment come backs deal with death. That’s one topic you guys seem to be experts on. If someone doesn’t agree — bring them death.

  40. Face 4 says

    Rick is having another Michelle Shocked break down folks. LOL look at his hysteria over our beautiful fem gay brothers and butch lesbian sisters. Rick, commit yourself in an institution already.

  41. JoJo says

    @ Garth
    Just because no one wants to touch you with a 500 foot long pole doesn’t mean you need to pour your miserable existence on other loving gay couples who want to get married, and our community will see to it ALL same sex couples in all 50 states are given the constitutional right to marry the one they love. I’ve met miserable gay souls like you who preach against gay marriage. Funny how y’all are always repulsive, bitter, unappealing inside and out. Gee, couldn’t be that misery loves company?

  42. GB says

    How could you love anyone JoJo? You sound like a very bitter know it all. Unfortunately it’s not going to play out as you desire. I’m no unappealing miserable soul like you speak of. If you saw me you’d be interested. Really? An attractive enemy within? Imagine…. Kiss your mirror fool. You may be all you wind up with. Evil weirdo.

  43. Billy Crytical says

    The whole thing was a lie. No NFL player is about to come out. This lie was perpetuated so it would look like the NFL was a welcoming place after last month it was revealed that players were being asked if they had girlfriends.

  44. Bob Kegeles says

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if Brendan were to be hired by the NFL as liaison to the lgbtq community. Or hired by HRC or another fine lgbtq community to be liaison to Professional Sports.